simple-ish gun mod. long rifles! .38, .45, .50!

[shenanigans24]

did you only read what was given to you in that heavily edited book? there were rifles in the south. they just took to long to reload so they weren't used as much. a quick google search will show you that there were. true, they werent all american made but they were there

Edited January 17, 2016 by shenanigans24

[shenanigans24]

Im not here to argue history of firearms with you. you have your mod request and i have mine.

[lest120]

did u read wikipedia, so you know scientist use wiki to study trolls.

[tomomi1922]

Abe lincoln decides to use native american tacticas make squad of 20 men or less consist of natives and french trappers all outfitted with french rifles with grooves helps ball spin, they come up to stop after see group of brits marching they use their surroundings as camouflage one trapper climbs a tree due to his rifle he manages kill a officer from 1 mile due to rifling and 20 inch barrel aka becoming the first sniper. as long it has rifling and is 20in +barrel it can shoot up to 1 mile which these tactics are what military use today just slightly more advanced gear and tactics

 

Lincoln fought the British?

[lest120]

 

Abe lincoln decides to use native american tacticas make squad of 20 men or less consist of natives and french trappers all outfitted with french rifles with grooves helps ball spin, they come up to stop after see group of brits marching they use their surroundings as camouflage one trapper climbs a tree due to his rifle he manages kill a officer from 1 mile due to rifling and 20 inch barrel aka becoming the first sniper. as long it has rifling and is 20in +barrel it can shoot up to 1 mile which these tactics are what military use today just slightly more advanced gear and tactics

 

Lincoln fought the British?

 

because u know hillbillys rednecks and hicks know how make weapons mortars so on so forth.

[lest120]

 

Abe lincoln decides to use native american tacticas make squad of 20 men or less consist of natives and french trappers all outfitted with french rifles with grooves helps ball spin, they come up to stop after see group of brits marching they use their surroundings as camouflage one trapper climbs a tree due to his rifle he manages kill a officer from 1 mile due to rifling and 20 inch barrel aka becoming the first sniper. as long it has rifling and is 20in +barrel it can shoot up to 1 mile which these tactics are what military use today just slightly more advanced gear and tactics

 

Lincoln fought the British?

 

and because u know americans were always in america not like came on ship from europe. or that bunch british didnt stay and all because u know that makes no sense.

[lest120]

 

Abe lincoln decides to use native american tacticas make squad of 20 men or less consist of natives and french trappers all outfitted with french rifles with grooves helps ball spin, they come up to stop after see group of brits marching they use their surroundings as camouflage one trapper climbs a tree due to his rifle he manages kill a officer from 1 mile due to rifling and 20 inch barrel aka becoming the first sniper. as long it has rifling and is 20in +barrel it can shoot up to 1 mile which these tactics are what military use today just slightly more advanced gear and tactics

 

Lincoln fought the British?

 

want to continue make yourself sound more like dumbass

[bben46]

This entire thread is full of inaccuracies. Both the North and South had rifled muzzle loaders. As well as repeating rifles. Rifling was not a new invention at all. It was well known long before. But for faster loading and because they were much less expensive, most militaries before the US Civil War used smooth bore muskets. Repeating breach loading rifles were well known and several were in civilian production before the US Civil war, but were usually considered too expensive for military use until late in the war (Spencer rifle & carbine used by Union Cavalry & mounted infantry) One reason for the massive casualties during the Civil war was the rifled muzzle loading muskets firing Minnie balls that both sides used and that were much more accurate than the smooth bore muskets they replaced while still having the same rate of fire.

 

The US Civil war rifled muzzle loaders did not take longer to load due to a French invention called a Minnie ball ( named after it's inventor) Here is a history link that explains why this was such an important military invention. http://www.historynet.com/minie-ball

Minnie balls were short lived and were mostly replaced by brass cartridges and breach loading rifles not long after the Civil War

 

The older flintlocks commonly called Kentucky long rifles were mostly made one at a time by small gunsmith shops in Pennsylvania ( and a few other places) and used in Kentucky and the frontier of that time. The long rifle is rifled. (doh!) And came in many calibers. So .32 or .36 or .38 and others would be possible. The heavier calibers .45 & up came later and were mostly percussion instead of flintlock - popularized by the Hawken type rifle made further west ( St. Louis) and intended for the bigger game ( like buffalo) and longer range shots found on the plains & Rocky mountains. But the range was still just 400 yards (366 meters) Much less than a mile ( a mile is 1760 yards or 1609 meters)

 

I have fired both a flintlock Kentucky rifle and percussion Hawken. And a civil war rifled musket as well. When firing the flintlock there is a delay between the hammer falling and the shot going off. The percussion cap has a much smaller delay, but still not quite as instant as a modern cartridge rifle. The Hawken was a .54 caliber that kicked like a mule. :pinch:

 

Loading a pre minnie ball rifle was a time consuming process.

using your powder horn and the measuring cup (usually the cup was the cap that went over the end of the horn) pour a measured amount of black powder down the barrel

Push the powder down with the wooden ramrod ( metal rods were used with smooth bores, wood more often with rifled barrels as it didn't scratch the rifling)

Pull a greased patch from your patch box and lay it over the muzzle.

Pull a lead ball out of your ball pouch and place it on top of the patch, press it down with your thumb.

Using a starter ( short wood rod with a handle on top)- about 2 to 3 inches long push the ball and patch down ( takes some pressure)

Now put the starter in your bag and pull the ramrod and push the ball all the way down with it ( many had a mark to show when it was at the right depth)

Put the ramrod back in it's place

For a flintlock, pull the hammer to half cock ( kind of a safety position) open the pan (push the cover out of the way)

Pour in a small amount of powder and close the pan

When ready to shoot pull the hammer to full cock and pull the trigger

 

It's been quite a while and I may have missed a step. :blush:

 

For a non rifled Smoothbore musket with either a lead ball or mini ball

 

The cartridge would be all together in a paper tube with powder & ball. The paper is used to keep the ball from rolling out.

First half cock the hammer

Pull the cartridge out of your cartridge box

Bite the end off the paper cartridge (the end away from the lead ball)

pour a small amount of the powder into the pan and close the cover

Pour the rest of the powder down the barrel

push the ball still wrapped in the paper on top of the powder. it goes in easy as without the paper the ball is small enough to fall all the way down.

use the ramrod to push the paper, ball and powder all the way down.

replace the ramrod.

Now you are ready to shoot

 

A trained musket man could shoot about 3 or 4 shots a minute while a pre minnie ball rifle could only fire 2 or 3 shots

[lest120]

i never said it was new invention secondly abe lincoln has natives and FRENCH trappers use native tactics they obviously had better equipment than the military and understood the woods better and used camouflage to their advantage. and percussion was more favorable as well as it was not affected when drenched in water unlike flint lock which needs to be dry to function the shot used by the first sniper was just regular 50. round ball. north did lack higher tech and had less soldiers unlike south. but due to north using native tactics small squads of 20 could take out 100+ men without even being seen. and also helped that the trappers and natives had higher quality equipment unlike the military. and please dont give me that bull about your older you know more. im young man of 2 sided military family who finds entertainment from studying most specifically military law and government and most my info is off memory from when i was 12 it could be outdated or fuzzy. also my mothers sister did ancestry thing and go found out abe lincoln is actually an ancestor. and for fathers side is a knight at the round table so my family's military roots drive deep. forgive me if i come off rude but i dont like when people insult my knowledge especially older people.

[lest120]

and that goes show a militia will always be the strongest military branch there is.