CTD every few minutes

[Deleted4581486User]

Okay so my Skyrim crashes once every few minutes, and I've done everything I know, to no avail. :/ I checked my load order with LOOT and cleaned by masterfiles with TES5Edit, but nothing seems to help. Any help is really appreciated, thanks.
Here's the loadorder:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

3 3 Dawnguard.esm

4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

5 5 HearthFires.esm

6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

7 7 Dragonborn.esm

8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

9 9 Master of Disguise - Legendary.esm

11 b ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

12 c SkyUI.esp

13 d WetandCold.esp

14 e EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

15 f AOS.esp

16 10 AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp

17 11 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-3.esp

18 12 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

19 13 ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp

20 14 sandboxcylinderheight.esp

21 15 Beards.esp

22 16 12FemaleBrows.esp

23 17 RichMerchants.esp

24 18 wtbs.esp

25 19 ImmersiveFP.esp

26 1a RaceMenu.esp

27 1b RaceMenuPlugin.esp

28 1c AHZmoreHUD.esp

29 1d NonEssentialChildren.esp

30 1e 3DNPC.esp

31 1f Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

32 20 Purity.esp

33 21 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

34 22 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

35 23 proudspiremanortnf.esp

36 24 VHTNF.esp

37 25 TrueStorms.esp

38 26 AOS2_TrueStorms Patch.esp

39 27 AOS2_Purity Patch.esp

40 28 hjerimtnf.esp

41 29 ELFXEnhancer.esp

42 2a HSTNF.esp

43 2b Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp

44 2c Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

45 2d Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

46 2e Immersive Weapons.esp

47 2f Unique Uniques.esp

48 30 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

49 31 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

50 32 AOS2_GDO Patch.esp

51 33 AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp

52 34 BFT Ships and Carriages.esp

53 35 Inconsequential NPCs.esp

54 36 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

55 37 SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp

56 38 SMIM-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

57 39 SFO - Dragonborn.esp

58 3a Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

59 3b Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

60 3c Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

61 3d Unrelenting Force+ 50%.esp

62 3e iHUD.esp

63 3f Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

64 40 Immersive Whiterun.esp

65 41 Immersive Dawnstar.esp

66 42 Cloaks.esp

67 43 Immersive Riverwood.esp

68 44 Immersive Falkreath.esp

69 45 Immersive Rorikstead.esp

70 46 Skooming Skyrim by BigBizkit.esp

71 47 Immersive Morthal.esp

72 48 Immersive Patrols II.esp

73 49 Immersive Ivarstead.esp

74 4a SMIM-ShackRoofFixes.esp

75 4b Immersive Dragon Bridge.esp

76 4c Populated Cities 2.esp

77 4d Immersive Shors stone.esp

78 4e Immersive Karthwasten.esp

79 4f SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp

80 50 SMIM-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp

81 51 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

82 52 Grass_On_Steroids_SFO.esp

83 53 Chesko_Frostfall.esp

84 54 quest_pitfighter.esp

85 55 Immersive Darkwater crossing.esp

86 56 Immersive Stonehills.esp

87 57 DeadlyDragons.esp

88 58 AOS2_DD Patch.esp

89 59 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

90 5a AOS2_EBT Patch.esp

91 5b AMatterOfTime.esp

92 5c ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

93 5d dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

94 5e DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

95 5f CinematicFireFX.esp

96 60 MainMenu.esp

97 61 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

98 62 SkyTweak.esp

99 63 VioLens.esp

100 64 1nivWICCloaks.esp

101 65 ABT - Bolts Renamed for BS and CCO.esp

102 66 ABT - Recover +25% Arrows and Bolts.esp

103 67 ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +100%.esp

104 68 ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +100%.esp

105 69 Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp

106 6a 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

107 6b dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp

108 6c Better Vampires.esp

109 6d Immersive Kynesgrove.esp

110 6e Sneak Tools.esp

111 6f Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

112 70 BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp

113 71 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

114 72 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

115 73 Immersive Music Temples.esp

116 74 Immersive Music.esp

117 75 mormus.esp

118 76 iNeed.esp

119 77 Predator Vision.esp

120 78 BlackSacramentArmor.esp

121 79 My Home Is Your Home.esp

122 7a Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

123 7b Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

124 7c Dual Wield Parrying_ScriptDragon.esp

125 7d Immersive detection of NPC.esp

126 7e NoSneakAttackSound.esp

127 7f Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

128 80 SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp

129 81 ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp

130 82 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

131 83 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp

132 84 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp

133 85 warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp

(I removed the inactive plugins from the list)

[jones177]

Hi

 

You have ClimatesOfTamriel & Purity. They are both climate mods.

 

I removed Purity from my load list because it caused poor performance & CTDs around waterfalls.

 

If you are not running the skse memory patch 10 minutes is about right for your load list.

 

You have added lots of meshes. I hope you are running an i7. To be honest I don't think my i7 could handle all those script mods & mesh mods along with every thing else.

 

If you have less than 4gb VRAM & are not using ENBoost or ENB ten minutes sounds right as well.

 

You have also added lots of NPCs to the game. If you don't have the recourses to support them the game will crash.

 

LOOT & TES5Edit are not the type of tools you need to use for this type of problem. Try Skyrim Performance Monitor & Memory Blocks Log.

 

Keeping a heavily modded game running smoothly is a balance between your hardware & the type of mods you add. Taking it to the limit without CTDs is the goal.

 

 

 

Later

[Deleted4581486User]

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:26 PM, jones177 said:

Hi

 

You have ClimatesOfTamriel & Purity. They are both climate mods.

 

I removed Purity from my load list because it caused poor performance & CTDs around waterfalls.

 

If you are not running the skse memory patch 10 minutes is about right for your load list.

 

You have added lots of meshes. I hope you are running an i7. To be honest I don't think my i7 could handle all those script mods & mesh mods along with every thing else.

 

If you have less than 4gb VRAM & are not using ENBoost or ENB ten minutes sounds right as well.

 

You have also added lots of NPCs to the game. If you don't have the recourses to support them the game will crash.

 

LOOT & TES5Edit are not the type of tools you need to use for this type of problem. Try Skyrim Performance Monitor & Memory Blocks Log.

 

Keeping a heavily modded game running smoothly is a balance between your hardware & the type of mods you add. Taking it to the limit without CTDs is the goal.

 

 

 

Later

Yeah, thanks alot. I am quite a noob at this and your help is appreciated. I do indeed run an i7 4770k and an GTX 970. Lag is not an issue, but crashes due to running out of memory (I guess?) is. I'll try out the Performance Monitor and Memory Blocks Log, along with the Memory Patch. I managed to fix a few things up by cleaning some more files and adjusting the load order and got a steady hour without crashing. I hope your advice will help me even more, thank you.

[Ondrea]

Another mod you may want to consider removing (on a new play through, not current one) is Immersive Detection of NPC's. Supposedly the way it was implemented runs a continuous never ending script that can cause a pretty heavy load on your system, especially with your have other script type mods in your load order.

[Deleted4581486User]

  On 1/21/2016 at 11:21 PM, Ondrea said:

Another mod you may want to consider removing (on a new play through, not current one) is Immersive Detection of NPC's. Supposedly the way it was implemented runs a continuous never ending script that can cause a pretty heavy load on your system, especially with your have other script type mods in your load order.

That's a shame, it's a great concept. I'll replace it with some other lighter mod then, thank you.

Also, when uninstalling script mods, do I need to create a new savegame in order to remove the crashes the scripts might cause? I've heard scripts stay in your savegame even after uninstalling their mod.

Edited January 22, 2016 by Guest

[Adarcer]

Get savegame cleaner ... it can remove orphaned scripts. but yes remove that plugin then load game wait a couple of minutes, save game again exit then run save game tool load the newest save in tool. its fairly easy to use.

Edited January 22, 2016 by Adarcer

[jones177]

I used a GTX 970 this time last year. If I had not bought a 4k monitor I would still be using it.

 

I use Immersive detection of NPCs but I gave up mods like Simm.

 

Mods like Immersive Patrols II can cause problems if you use hires textures on their armor. I also use several bandit mods so their armor stays vanilla as well. Armors like Elven, Glass, Ebony & Steel Plate I use hires textures since they are not used much in the game. 90% of the CTDs I get in the game are from these type of mods (spawning) so this sort of thing is important to me.

 

Your CPU can handle lots of script mods but frame rate must stay in the 40s+ to keep them from backing up. Since the script mods make my game I am not willing to give them up. I play at 1440 with ENB in the high 50s instead of 4k in the low 30s for this reason.

 

Later

[Ezelendil]

Ok, if you allow me, I'm taking this chance to ask the same question, with a different load order, would someone be so kind and take a look at it: what is causing CTD every 5 minutes, but mostly when I hit a button, like I for inventory or Tab or any other key?
Here is the load order:

 

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

Falskaar.esm=1

Wyrmstooth.esp=1

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1

RaceCompatibility.esm=1

EFFCore.esm=1

ETaC - RESOURCES.esm=1

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm=1

ImmersiveContent.esm=1

Cutting Room Floor.esp=1

FNIS.esp=1

SkyUI.esp=1

AchieveThat.esp=1

AMatterOfTime.esp=1

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp=1

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp=1

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp=1

Rigmor.esp=1

SkyRe_Main.esp=1

HarvestOverhaul.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1

iHUD.esp=1

Lock Overhaul.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Weathers.esp=1

UltimateDragons.esp=1

UnreadBooksGlow.esp=1

VioLens.esp=1

RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Brighter Dungeons.esp=1

Craftable Horse Barding.esp=1

sandboxcylinderheight.esp=1

moveit.esp=1

Dual Sheath Redux.esp=1

HarvestOverhaul_SkyRe_Patch.esp=1

SkyRe_Survivalism.esp=1

Immersive Weapons.esp=1

CharacterMakingExtender.esp=1

USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp=0

3DNPC.esp=1

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp=1

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1

BetterQuestObjectives.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1

DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp=1

Proudspire Manor Refurbished.esp=1

RealShelter.esp=1

imp_helm_legend.esp=1

rorikstead_merchant.esp=1

Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp=1

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp=1

HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp=1

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1

RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1

RND_USKP-Patch.esp=1

FalskaarRNDPatch.esp=1

HearthfireMultiKid.esp=1

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp=1

hearthfireextended.esp=1

CornerofTheSkyrim.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1

EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp=1

FortHighwood01.esp=1

Cloaks.esp=1

Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp=1

RLO - Major City Exteriors - No Guard Torches.esp=0

Inigo.esp=1

RiversideLodge.esp=1

CampArgentum.esp=1

TheDomain.esp=1

Hunter's Camp.esp=1

AdalMatar.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp=1

CampVarglya.esp=1

Immersive Horses.esp=1

Morthal Player Home.esp=1

EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp=1

Sundys_Male_Presets.esp=1

CerwidenCompanion.esp=1

EFFDialogue.esp=1

DF127CaranthirTowerMod.esp=1

Immersive Patrols II.esp=1

HothFollower.esp=1

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp=1

Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1

SofiaFollower.esp=1

City Trees & Plants.esp=1

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp=1

RND_AnimalLoot.esp=1

SkyRe_Races.esp=0

Predator Vision.esp=1

mayatola UFF.esp=1

Bijin Warmaidens.esp=1

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp=1

Whiterun Ferns.esp=1

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1

Yennefer.esp=1

garm_companion.esp=1

ISDBlackSting.esp=1

HothFollower UFO Patch.esp=1

SkyRe_Combat.esp=1

HFE-RND-Patch.esp=1

Candlespell.esp=1

LunariWarriors.esp=1

CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp=1

Tundra Defense.esp=1

Slow Time.esp=1

My Home Is Your Home.esp=1

JaxonzEnhGrab.esp=1

R18pn - lingerie Set.esp=1

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp=1

Unique Uniques.esp=1

Unique Unique's_Skyre Patch.esp=1

alendrissword.esp=1

dovahkiinrelax.esp=1

Daedric Dawnbreaker.esp=1

DDB_Skyre_Patch.esp=1

HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp=1

FNIS_PCEA2.esp=1

RSPatch03.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers - Brighter Nights.esp=1

SkyRealism - Time and Travel.esp=1

UIExtensions.esp=1

FollowerCompatibility.esp=1

BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp=1

BetterQuestObjectives-EFFPatch.esp=1

BetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.esp=1

BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp=1

Bashed Patch, 0.esp=0

Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 IW UU Patch.esp=1

Post ReProccer Fixes IA7 IW UU Patch.esp=1

CShacks.esp=1

Amazing Riverwood Starter Home.esp=1

ETaC - Riverwood.esp=1

Immersive Whiterun.esp=1

ETaC - Whiterun Ext CRF Patch.esp=1

ETaC - Amazing Riverwood Starter Patch.esp=1

SkyfallEstate.esp=1

EMCompViljaSkyrimBodyPatch.esp=1

Open Face Guard Helmets.esp=1

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp=1

ICROL - Legendary.esp=1

ReProccer.esp=1

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp=1

As you can see, I'm not using any High Res Textures (only some folowers have CBBE Default), i'M runnign the game on 1280x1024, so the resolution is quite low, i do not have background services running, since I get offline when playing and i'm killing every process I dont need (even Windows explorer, yes) under Win 8.1,
I have a Radeon HD 7770 which is not very powerful, but was enough to play Skyrim for ages, got 8 Gb of ram, 3.4 Mhz AMD processor (older), ENB Boost without graphical enhancements, just the memory patch. With this config I managed to play through skyrim 2 times, now I tried another one but this time with Vilja, Inigo and Sonja and couple of more followers + Tundra defence. The load order is LOOTED, but some things had to be adjusted manualy, since loot sometimes screws up (puts the reprocer patch in the midle, for example). With this order, I get a ctd every 3-6 minutes of playing, mostly when Vilja is around, but not only. Please someone help me, I'm getting desperate. Thanks in advance-

PS: ask me any details, I'll tell any additional info you need if it helps.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Ezelendil

[Ezelendil]

Update for the above post: troubles started when I switched to Skyrim Unofficial Legendary Edition Patch instead of using the separate unofficial patches like before. Forgot to tell. But I have patched everything other mod to ULEP and Loot gives me no errors