MRG Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The Death Penalty - I am for it. Ultimately, I do not believe that one person has the right to sentence another person to death, unless in the event that an individual performs a crime of Murder, or plays a role in the death of another, such as that of a drunk driver who drives his car into another person, killing them. It is then my opinion that the person that committed the crime or was a party to the crime, forfeits his or her rights as a human being or in other words, the right to live. However, I do not believe that when a person takes the life of another in self defense of either them self or of another, is the same as Murder. While true, bottom line you take the life of another, you do it in a manner to preserve life, namely the innocent. That is the key word. Innocent. I know it's a fine line. I do not believe that a person who has committed murder, can ever be rehabilitated & released back into the general population. To me, it does not matter if the person is a 15 year old gang-banger & therefor underage or a 35 year old male or female. If you directly take the life of another in a manner other than in self defense, you no longer have the right to live yourself. People need to be held accountable for their actions. If you are old enough to drink & drive, you are old enough to face the death penalty. What happens when a 10 year old boy or girl plays with his dads gun & it goes off, killing another? No, I do not feel that that boy or girl should die & I do believe that they can grow up to be very responsible individuals. As for their punishment, I could not even begin to answer that. There is a lot more I could type when it comes to the death penalty. I do not believe that in the short paragraphs above, that I have convayed my feelings adiquatly. Bottom line, is that I STRONGLY believe that people need to be held accountable for their actions. I feel that the cause of death to the condemned should be instant & thus as humane as possible. -MRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biocontrol Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 The only reason that the death penalty is "expensive" is because of all the legal fees to go through the process.If you simply did a regular hearing, then instead of prison sentenced the person to death, and they took him to some death jail and mass shot them, it would be very much more cost effective than keeping them in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delphinus Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Ok, i tried to keep it for myself until now. For the ones who agree with death penalty, for the followers of the barbaric "eye for an eye" philosophy, for the ones who discuss if a bullet is more or less expensive than a rope, for the ones who think that some people don't fit in a society and must be removed. YOU - SCARE - ME ! Murder is first an operation of the mind: if you think seriously that killing is right, you are already a murderer. there's no difference between the murderer who kills someone for a reason or not, and the ones who cheer when there's an execution somewhere. You always cheer upon someone else's suffering. I'd like to see you facing death, knowing there's no escape, i'd like you to struggle for life, trying to find some hope, knowing that you don't have any. Then you'll probably understand the value of human life. But maybe i'm too optimistic; someone said that when a murderer kills, he loses its humanity and its right to live. Its' exactly what i wanted to say: the death penalty supporter loses as well its ability to show mercy and empathy, and he's no more human. Should be it removed? yes, of course, following your perverse philosophy. But i don't feel sooooo great to decide this. For me is enough having fun showing you how ignorant you are. This is my "retribution" and i'm happy that way. Sincerely yours p.s. if the moderators think that i have been too much polemic, i apologize in advance. But i also want to warn them that not only religious topics could be offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramul Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 And what of people who think killing is necessary under certain circumstances, Delphinus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delphinus Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 And what of people who think killing is necessary under certain circumstances, Delphinus? Same as above. because there are NO certain circumstances to kill someone reasonably, no matter how much you try to find one, as well as there aren't any to make a war. But le me propose something interesting: Why don't we reintroduce tribal law? If someone murders one of your relatives, you can murder him, and then his relatives will murder you. You see, in some little time we will remove an entire group of potential murderers (Murderer: someone who strongly believes that killing is a good thing) in a fast, efficient and CHEAP way! i definitely vote for TRIBAL LAW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo man Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I'd like to see you facing death, knowing there's no escape, i'd like you to struggle for life, trying to find some hope, knowing that you don't have any. WOW. And people who support the death penalty scare you??? :blink: Seriously though, by your own logic you say that those who enjoy the idea of anothers death and those that "pull the trigger" are no different. So (honestly not trying to be a jerk, I have a point in this) by that logic are you a killer? I'm not trying to accuse you of being murdering scum, i'm just trying to point out that I really disagree with your reasoning and I don't honestly find it very logical(again, not trying to be rude or launch a personal attack on you). For the record, I don't approve of the death penalty. I want to make it clear though that I don't support it because I see it as the lesser of two punishments. If I had a choice of dying or of spending every day of the rest of my life in a cold and dark cell, then I would probably choose death. I would choose death because to me life is about being free and I would honestly rather die than give up my freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delphinus Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I'd like to see you facing death, knowing there's no escape, i'd like you to struggle for life, trying to find some hope, knowing that you don't have any. WOW. And people who support the death penalty scare you??? :blink: Seriously though, by your own logic you say that those who enjoy the idea of anothers death and those that "pull the trigger" are no different. So (honestly not trying to be a jerk, I have a point in this) by that logic are you a killer? I'm not trying to accuse you of being murdering scum, i'm just trying to point out that I really disagree with your reasoning and I don't honestly find it very logical(again, not trying to be rude or launch a personal attack on you). For the record, I don't approve of the death penalty. I want to make it clear though that I don't support it because I see it as the lesser of two punishments. If I had a choice of dying or of spending every day of the rest of my life in a cold and dark cell, then I would probably choose death. I would choose death because to me life is about being free and I would honestly rather die than give up my freedom. I guess the misunderstanding comes from my poor english: when i say "i'd like to" i mean that i really want to see what these death penalty supporters think when they are in a situation like that. It's easy to say a lot of words full of civic pride and hate, staying out of the situation. While it's harder to put yourself in the prisoner's mind, even if he's one of the worst murderers, and realize that someday you could be at his same place. (who knows after all? everyone has evil thoughts in mind, and me too)Will you really still say that you support death penalty? i really think no. About the second part of your post, i'll try to explain my thoughts better: Yes, i still think that the murderer who plans to kill his girlfriend's lover, and the jury, or the judge, or all the people that wants his death after committing the crime are on the same side; their brain processes are the same, they think and act in the same way. And if you scan their heads with an xray machine, probably you'll notice that they have the same brain parts lightened up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramul Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 And what of people who think killing is necessary under certain circumstances, Delphinus?Same as above. because there are NO certain circumstances to kill someone reasonably, no matter how much you try to find one, as well as there aren't any to make a war.So, you advocate abolishing the military, and cheerfully welcoming whoever decides to invade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delphinus Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Oh i forgot to say: it may be natural that you want the death of someone that murdered someone you know or love. I'd be the first one who comes before him and put my hands around his neck (I wouldn't need any dirty weapons). But this feeling MUST stay private. when it comes inside a society, and it's considered acceptabe and right, it's dangerous and must be BANNED. You can't go around weeping and crying because your society is full of naturalbornkillers when you don't give the good example first. Here in italy we have the same opposite problem: crimes are well tolerated and you have a good chance to do 10 years in jail if you murder someone. Financial crimes are absolutely not considered: we have more than 25 condemned politicians who walk freely in our parliament. Some lifetime jail to someone would be a good thing. But WITHOUT touching human life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delphinus Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 And what of people who think killing is necessary under certain circumstances, Delphinus?Same as above. because there are NO certain circumstances to kill someone reasonably, no matter how much you try to find one, as well as there aren't any to make a war.So, you advocate abolishing the military, and cheerfully welcoming whoever decides to invade? That is called resistance, not exactly a war that you decided to lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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