update 1.3 mod compatability

[lockinvarj]

Well, in general an update to the fallout3.esm can change references or very subtle code. I did two things

 

1) Removed a reference that actually did exist in the saloon (shouldn't have been there...)

2) Just load up your mod in the Geck and save. This should even any issues related to the update with relative certainty.

 

Of course, I haven't had any feedback yet, but AFAIK this is your fix

 

I will be reinstalling "War Never Changes" after the weekend, As I've been running tests unmodded to see if they had trully improved stability & it appears they have. Only 2 crashes in over 8 hours of game play & I was trying to get it to crash by visiting locations that would cause a crash everytime, Now you can reload the save & carry on without it continually crashing at the same point. But I still maintain That this should have been done through testing before the game was released.

 

It might be advisable for modders to run their mods through the new GECK to see if any errors are thrown up, & post it on here or on their nexus page that it has passed through the new GECK.

 

Congratulations on such a splendid responce to feedback & look forward to playing through your mod.

[gazz1209]

I have downloaded the patch for War Never Changes and not had one single crash! Seems to work for me! Thank you.

[pickinthebanjo]

My stalker weapons pack should still work since the computer I built it on does not have internet and still uses the original newvegas.esm

[phoneyLogic]

In some cases it should have sth to do with the load order, since the new FalloutNV.esm has a newer time stamp.

 

Edit

The easiest way to fix that, probably is to use a file date changer like this and to set the "last modified" date stamp back to october 2010.

 

Or just use fomm to get a new load order.

Edited April 30, 2011 by tortured Tomato

[rickerhk]

Just for kick's, I converted the old falloutNV.esm to an esp, and made the new esm a master of it, so see what changes were made. There are a couple thousand differences. But I have listed here just changes in FormID type. For example, the first line shows that what used to be the VTopsBennyFaction is now AmmoEffectMCDTBypass. You can imagine what these changes do to a mod and a to save game. If the item is a base object, it can affect hundreds of other objects in the game.

 

 

 

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B799] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FACT:0017B799] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B79A] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FACT:0017B79A] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B79B] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [MGEF:0017B79B] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A5] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B7A5] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A4] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B7A4] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A3] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B7A3] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A2] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B7A2] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A1] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B7A1] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A0] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B7A0] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B79F] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B79F] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B79E] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B79E] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B79D] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B79D] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B79C] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sCPT:0017B79C] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A6] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [sPEL:0017B7A6] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A7] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [ACTI:0017B7A7] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A8] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [ACTI:0017B7A8] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:06] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7A9] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [ACTI:0017B7A9] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7AA] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7AA] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7AB] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7AB] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7AC] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7AC] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7AD] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7AD] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7AE] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7AE] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7AF] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7AF] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7B0] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7B0] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7B1] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7B1] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7B2] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7B2] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7B3] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7B3] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7B4] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7B4] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:07] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B7B5] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [LVLI:0017B7B5] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [RCPE:0017B7E2] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7E2] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sPEL:0017B7E4] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7E4] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [MGEF:0017B7E5] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7E5] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [PACK:0017B7E6] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7E6] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B7E7] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7E7] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B7E8] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7E8] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [FACT:0017B7E9] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7E9] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B7EA] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7EA] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B7F5] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7F5] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [ACTI:0017B7F9] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7F9] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B7F8] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7F8] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B7FB] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7FB] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B808] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B808] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B807] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B807] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [PACK:0017B805] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B805] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [PACK:0017B804] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B804] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B803] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B803] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B802] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B802] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [PACK:0017B800] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B800] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [PACK:0017B7FE] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B7FE] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B809] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B809] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:08] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B80A] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B80A] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:09] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B814] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B814] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:09] Background Loader: Warning: Record [FACT:0017B812] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B812] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:09] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B810] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B810] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:09] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B80E] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B80E] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:09] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B80D] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B80D] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:09] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B80C] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B80C] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:09] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B80B] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B80B] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:09] Background Loader: Warning: Record [ACTI:0017B815] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B815] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:10] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B817] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B817] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:10] Background Loader: Warning: Record [ENCH:0017B818] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B818] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:10] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B819] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B819] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:10] Background Loader: Warning: Record [MGEF:0017B81A] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B81A] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:10] Background Loader: Warning: Record [ENCH:0017B81B] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B81B] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:11] Background Loader: Warning: Record [FLST:0017B81D] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B81D] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:11] Background Loader: Warning: Record [FLST:0017B81C] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B81C] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:11] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B81E] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B81E] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:11] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B81F] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B81F] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:11] Background Loader: Warning: Record [EXPL:0017B822] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B822] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:11] Background Loader: Warning: Record [PROJ:0017B821] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B821] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:11] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B820] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B820] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:13] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B82E] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B82E] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:13] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B82D] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [REFR:0017B82D] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [AMEF:0017B798] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [iNFO:0017B798] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B830] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [QUST:0017B830] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B82F] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [QUST:0017B82F] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [LVLI:0017B831] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [PACK:0017B831] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B832] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [PACK:0017B832] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B833] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [PACK:0017B833] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B834] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [PACK:0017B834] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B835] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [PACK:0017B835] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B836] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [PACK:0017B836] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B840] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B840] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B83F] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B83F] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B83E] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B83E] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [ACTI:0017B83D] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B83D] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [sCPT:0017B83C] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B83C] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B83B] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B83B] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [ACTI:0017B83A] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B83A] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B839] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B839] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B838] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B838] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B837] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [FLST:0017B837] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B841] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [RCPE:0017B841] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [REFR:0017B842] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [AMEF:0017B842] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [NAVM:0017B843] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [AMEF:0017B843] in file FalloutNV.esp.

[00:14] Background Loader: Warning: Record [ACTI:0017B844] in file FalloutNV.esm is being overridden by record [AMEF:0017B844] in file FalloutNV.esp.

 

 

[davidlallen]

You can imagine what these changes do to a mod and a to save game. If the item is a base object, it can affect hundreds of other objects in the game.

 

The release note I eventually found doesn't say anything about save game incompatibility. Is there something we should investigate in more detail, to see why save games still work?

[wcstorm11]

I'd imagine save games still work because base items weren't switched, just references. Almost like renaming an objective marker, though a little more intense. The main thing this would screw with is quests and such that point to references that have been changed. That might be BS though, but that's the way I understand it

[rickerhk]

The example I gave was a base item Faction that is now a base item AmmoEffect. So all references to these base items, stored in the save game, are going to be invalid - like your relationship to that faction, for instance. Not everything I listed is this way. Some were references that are now base items of a different type, and some were base items are now references of a different type.

I'm not saying game saves won't work, I'm just saying there are going to be spots where something strange happens or it just CTDs. For me, personally, I don't want to deal with the problems so I just started a new game.

[angelwraith]

The example I gave was a base item Faction that is now a base item AmmoEffect. So all references to these base items, stored in the save game, are going to be invalid - like your relationship to that faction, for instance. Not everything I listed is this way. Some were references that are now base items of a different type, and some were base items are now references of a different type.

I'm not saying game saves won't work, I'm just saying there are going to be spots where something strange happens or it just CTDs. For me, personally, I don't want to deal with the problems so I just started a new game.

 

yeah but really who references items in script by the actual ID rather than the name?

i mean the ID changes on items every time you install a mod higher in the load order... and at least with my mods I haven't seen any issues b/c of that. (last in the load order before the MP so IDs change o it constantly)

or maybe i just misunderstood what you guys are saying.

[davidlallen]

Wouldn't there have been hundreds of angry posts, from the thousands of people who have updated and loaded a save game? The only posts I have seen relate to one or two mods which stopped working, but base game people don't seem unhappy.