Nintii Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Who are "The Muslims?" You don't know ? Correct me if I'm wrong but in the context in which it's written, it's the muslims in Palestine ... Marharth, how many Muslims do you actually "know" personally and not from TV-land or from some friend who would know one or even from an opinion you've developed because of what you've seen or heard ?I not only deal with them in business but also personally and my working knowledge of how the majority feel about all things western exceeds yours by far.I've lived in their homes, in their communities, hung out with them, one of my closest friends is actually dating a Muslim. This is a fact, MOST Muslims hate the West, end of story. Palestine, is the frontline for those who hate Israel and "those Muslim's" who hate Israel will see to it that Palestine NEVER rests in their struggle against the Jew.Therefore, as I've stated before, Israel needs to demand as much as possible with the view to hold out for as long as possible.I do not say that Israel has been fair in their dealings with the Palestinians, but this is a war of survival. There needs to be a Palestinian State, but there also needs to be a buffer zone, it's an ugly thing and in this politically correct world it's an abomination but it's a neccessity if the Jews are ever to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginnyfizz Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Therefore, as I've stated before, Israel needs to demand as much as possible with the view to hold out for as long as possible.I do not say that Israel has been fair in their dealings with the Palestinians, but this is a war of survival. There needs to be a Palestinian State, but there also needs to be a buffer zone, it's an ugly thing and in this politically correct world it's an abomination but it's a neccessity if the Jews are ever to survive. I totally agree. It is very easy for us to sit in our ivory towers in relative safety and criticize Israel, but they are seriously at the sharp end and, let us be frank, whatever conciliatory noises the surrounding Arab nations and the Palestinians make for our benefit, in reality they never have truly accepted the right of Israel to exist, and would love to obliterate the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 This is a fact, MOST Muslims hate the West, end of story.Most Christians hate the west as well with your logic. What is your evidence of most Muslims hating the west? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintii Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 This is a fact, MOST Muslims hate the West, end of story.Most Christians hate the west as well with your logic. What is your evidence of most Muslims hating the west? What is your evidence that they don't ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greywaste Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Well, the biggest obstacle imo is not actually Palestinians or Israeli's, but two other countries nearby who openly want the Israeli's dead but just pay cash to Hamas and Hezbollah to name just two groups to try and do it for them. IF the regimes in Syria and Iran changed perhaps some progress might be made in that area, but right now, you've got not only that to worry about but Palestinians themselves killing each other, blowing eachothers kneecaps off on account of which party they support.Iran will eventually get it's nuke if the current regime stays in power and not that it will dare lob one at Israel but it will make it near impossible to stop them fighting a proxy war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) This is a fact, MOST Muslims hate the West, end of story.Most Christians hate the west as well with your logic. What is your evidence of most Muslims hating the west? What is your evidence that they don't ?Your asking me to disprove a statement you made without evidence? That not how the world works, you need to prove existence of something before attempting to disprove it. There are about one and a half billion Muslims worldwide. According to the FBI public database on terrorist attacks against the USA between 1980 and 2005, Islamist extremists make up about six percent of the attacks. Now considering there is about one and a half billion Muslims worldwide, lets consider how big the terrorist groups are. No one has a accurate estimate on how big the groups are all together, but lets just say that all together they are as big as the US military (which is a insanely big number, no way the terrorist groups are that big.) Now the estimated size of the military is around one million, but ill make that even bigger. Using ten million as the size of the military (and the estimated size of all terrorist groups together), and one and a half billion as the number as the total Muslim population, you are left with around .7 percentage of total extremist Muslims. That is with the numbers amplified to extreme heights. It should not be very difficult for you to look up the statistics yourself if you do not beleive what I said. That being said, if you have statistics that have a percentage of moderate Muslims saying that they "hate the USA" I would be glad to examine that. Otherwise, I do not take kindly to people who discriminate against certain religions based on actions of small groups. Edited May 10, 2011 by marharth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csgators Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 http://pewglobal.org/files/legacy/254-20.gif Source Yeah, they love us. They especially love Jews. Percentage of Muslims with Unfavorable Views of Jews: Jordan - 100 percent Lebanon - 99 percent Egypt - 98 percent Morocco - 88 percent Indonesia - 76 percent Pakistan - 74 percent Turkey - 60 percentSource Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) http://pewglobal.org/files/legacy/254-20.gif Source Yeah, they love us. They especially love Jews. Percentage of Muslims with Unfavorable Views of Jews: Jordan - 100 percent Lebanon - 99 percent Egypt - 98 percent Morocco - 88 percent Indonesia - 76 percent Pakistan - 74 percent Turkey - 60 percentSourceThe first thing doesn't really show "Hate." Clearly, everyone in the tea party hates America because they don't like the way the country is right? No. Not to mention the average for Hamas victory being good is still in a percentage minority, and the general public percentage is HIGHER... Coming from this source...http://judaism.about.com/od/americanworldjewry/a/muslimviews.htmThe average is 37.18 worldwide. That is quite a minority, I am sure Christians would come close to the same number.Got that from the FULL chart, not just the small text part.http://0.tqn.com/d/judaism/1/G/Y/Q/pew.jpg Edited May 10, 2011 by marharth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csgators Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 You can paint a rosey picture all you want. Most of the governments in the ME preach hate of the west to divert attention away from themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 You can paint a rosey picture all you want. Most of the governments in the ME preach hate of the west to divert attention away from themselves.Sometimes a rosy picture is the truth. In this case, I gave you a large amount of statistics from your own source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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