Strip Club

[Peregrine]

Whilst I am inclined to agree with Peregrine that this kind of computer game is not really a substitute platform for pornography, I also feel that a degree of realism would be added by developing the career opportunities in Oblivion. Stripping would not be high on my list but I feel there should be refuse disposal, funeral services, furniture stores, builders etc. etc. etc.

 

I think the main problem is who really wants to do that, when they can do it in the real world. Games are best when they have a focus on what they want to do (in the case of Oblivion, mindless hack and slash action with a little exploration), not when they try to be generalist "real life simulation". For that to work, you need an MMORPG so your random professions actually have a purpose (interaction with other players, not just +1 reputation with the Garbage Guild), and even then only a few players will be dedicated enough to do it.

 

But realistic animations are for the well paid experts to produce. I doubt you'll find them offering their services free to the Oblivion community.

 

Well, it's not impossible... with a convincing and interesting project, you might see some.It's not that hard to do it, it just takes a lot of talent and a lot of time investment. Not a problem if you're serious about it, but something tells me our stripper fanboys aren't willing to spend a few months learning how to make their mod. I'm sure there are at least a handful of people in the community with the knowledge and tools (I might be one myself, if I bothered learning rigging/animation, but my focus is on technology, not organics), the problem is convincing them to join the project. You're far more likely to see custom animations for the animator's personal project, not a general "I'm available to help" post.

[Abramul]

In Morrowind,

There is sin.

But, pray, do not confuse Dunmer variety

With that found in tepid Western society

Compared to which, it nearly is piety.

It isn't terribly ingenious calling it prudery

Observing the Dark Elf aversion to nudity.

After all, the preferred sort of lewdity

In these parts is far more pernicious.

From the Ashlanders to the wettest fishes

You'll find pleasure and pain quite delicious

In Morrowind.

 

If you must have a strip club mod, look up Infernal Rapture...but don't say I didn't warn you.

[SickleYield]

Well, it's not impossible... with a convincing and interesting project, you might see some.It's not that hard to do it, it just takes a lot of talent and a lot of time investment. Not a problem if you're serious about it, but something tells me our stripper fanboys aren't willing to spend a few months learning how to make their mod. I'm sure there are at least a handful of people in the community with the knowledge and tools (I might be one myself, if I bothered learning rigging/animation, but my focus is on technology, not organics), the problem is convincing them to join the project. You're far more likely to see custom animations for the animator's personal project, not a general "I'm available to help" post.

 

I agree with what Vagrant and Peregrine are saying here. They know what they are talking about because they are or have been content producers. I model and am currently animating for weapons, but I would never volunteer my services on a forum because I would then have to deal with a deluge of requests from people offering to let me be their unpaid employee while they do none of the work. I want creative control over what I do.

 

I use a nude body mod because it's vastly more realistic than the default bodies, and I make armor for Fantasy Figures. I'm a straight female and I also don't use or make bikini-or-less type armors.

[Malchik]

Whilst I am inclined to agree with Peregrine that this kind of computer game is not really a substitute platform for pornography, I also feel that a degree of realism would be added by developing the career opportunities in Oblivion. Stripping would not be high on my list but I feel there should be refuse disposal, funeral services, furniture stores, builders etc. etc. etc.

 

I think the main problem is who really wants to do that, when they can do it in the real world. Games are best when they have a focus on what they want to do (in the case of Oblivion, mindless hack and slash action with a little exploration), not when they try to be generalist "real life simulation". For that to work, you need an MMORPG so your random professions actually have a purpose (interaction with other players, not just +1 reputation with the Garbage Guild), and even then only a few players will be dedicated enough to do it.[

 

I agree. I wasn't very clear in what I meant. I wasn't suggesting animations but that there are vast numbers of trades that NPCs could simply say they do which would add to the realism of the place. In the mod I'm working on with Povuholo we add some - refuse disposal, marriage broker, surgeon, lawyer, opera singer, hitman, alcoholic etc. etc. We've also given 'careers' to some of the rural in-game NPCs - consultant therapist, retired tax collector and the like. There are no animations to go with them but the idea is as much as anything to add humour (including sarcasm and irony).

[Vagrant0]

I think the bottom line here is the amount of effort needed to be put into place verses the use people would get from that effort. A stripper mod, or even a sex mod would be lower on that scale than the hundreds of other requests which would need motion capture animations. The only chance this would have of happening is if someone who was capable of doing it was seriously interested in investing that much time into the project. But really, all (about 12 or so people in the english speaking community) the people that I can see pulling this sort of thing (all secondary concerns aside) off are either neck deep in other projects, or aren't looking for more work, let alone something unpaid. There is quite literally more work to be done than there are people who can do it. Which means that people pick the projects they have the most interest in doing. As most of these people are over the age of 18, and would prefer to spend their time on something more useful than this, the chances of this project being done are next to none.

 

Going back to the usefulness of this, if it isn't just one of those occasional diversions from the standard game (hence the 1 time only or 45 seconds at a time comment) then what you suggest is that there would be people who would sit (not so much) there watching this for prolonged periods of time. While I'm sure that in some cases this may happen, suggesting this behavior as the norm would raise a number of ethical questions. While there is nothing really wrong with some pornography, when it becomes the focus of one person's efforts it creates disruptions in the person's life. Also as the purpose of this mod would be there entirely for the purpose of eroticism, there would be issues of minors getting access to that content (we all know ESRB doesn't mean poo and that 14 year old kids can still talk their parents into buying them stuff rated mature (since more than a few people posting here are under the age of 18, clearly they were part of this group), so don't even bother with that argument) which I believe is a felony for those found responsible.

 

So really, not only would someone have to make the mod, they would also need to find hosting for the mod where a section of "adults only" downloads exists to make both the author and the host protected from any lawsuits. As I am not aware of any Oblivion modding site who has, or atleast has had the need to, provide such a section, trying to convince them that they need to host your mod, or finding a webhost that allows adult content would only make a stripper mod like what was requested even more of a problem.

[Malchik]

Why did you quote me, Vagrant0? I'm not the one after a mod with strippers!

 

As a separate point, if nudity is not considered adult content then logically stripping cannot be either or, if stripping is, then nudity must be.

[Vagrant0]

As a separate point, if nudity is not considered adult content then logically stripping cannot be either or, if stripping is, then nudity must be.

I believe the difference here is intent. Nudity is covered under the whole artistic "makes the world look better, more realistic" excuse. Additionally, it is really only western culture that makes nudity a sexual thing. Meanwhile the main purpose of a stripper mod containing what people would want would be for erotic entertainment. While yes, the line isn't clear, and I believe the reason why official forums have banned any nudity is because they didn't want to deal with any of it, in this case I believe it is clear. Body mods containing nudity weren't created for the purpose of getting people off, a stripper mod is created for that exact purpose (You're welcome to try and come up with another one that makes logical sense for most people).

 

I'm not sure why I quoted you there, might have just been to help steer the conversation back to the issue instead of arguing over the merits of more NPC interactions in general. I meant no offense.

[Malchik]

I wasn't offended. I just wondered if you'd misread my posts. But I don't know that it is as easy as you seem to be suggesting to draw the line between art and nature. People have different attitudes to the subject and I doubt if there is a consensus. Belly dancing has a far more 'sexual' theme than stripping and dancing can be far more erotic without the removal of clothes. (Nijinsky dancing in L'apres midi d'un faun scandalised Paris by his overtly sexual movements and he wasn't naked). And then if you have a nude mod in operation you are presumably at least some of the time stripping the NPCs. Why is this so very different from having them strip themselves?

 

I should perhaps make it clear that I have no interest in a stripping mod. But, whilst I agree with all those who say it is highly unlikely anyone would bother to make one, and one has to wonder why anyone feels the need for one, I would not take a moralistic approach in objecting to it, the lines are too grey.

[FritzDerochebrune]

Vagrant0,

 

You said: "the vast majority of people will only use the mod once, or 45 seconds at a time. It would make the effort spend in this mod worthless." and "to make a Throwaway mod reflects poorly on the modder"

 

Well, If most people use this mod only once, a throwaway mod would be enough. Since any dude with the construction set and the CSWiki can construct such a mod, a 'Proud modder' doesn't have to 'dirty his hands' on this project.

 

So why I'm not making a mod like this? Because I've stopped with making mods some time ago. I realized I was spending much more time modding than enjoying the game. So I pulled the plug out of all my projects.

 

Anyway: I get your point, a lot of good modders wouldn't want to make such a mod. (It's not something to be proud of like you said) But I also think some of the modders would like to see such a mod. On other fansites I've heard of good modders trying to get adult-ai going... (BTW I also think that that is just sick)

 

cya

 

Fritz

 

BTW, Vragant0: a Firesheep mod? Hehehehe nice one! ;-)

[Povuholo]

Since any dude with the construction set and the CSWiki can construct such a mod, a 'Proud modder' doesn't have to 'dirty his hands' on this project.

Did you read through the thread? I'm talking about the creating new animations posts, mostly by Peregrine. It's very difficult as Peregrine explained, so it can't be done by 'Any dude with a construction set'. In fact, creating custom animations isn't even done in the construction set.