zoron246 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Anyone ever read about that Tsun may be/is zenithar? Stuhn is Tsuns brother and Stuhn is the nord name for stendarr so wouldnt zenithar who is also apparently supposed to be stendarrs brother in the god crap actually Tsun? If Tsun IS zenithar, wouldnt that make most of the divine worship inert and mean that the old nord pantheon and the elven pantheons are probably much closer to the truth of all that crap? On another note, the whole shor lorkhan crap. I have not played in a while so feel free to correct. But one of the myths about lorkhan/shor and the heart crap being the whole fighting amongst gods and all. Does it seem funny that akatosh/auriel was the head of the elven gods while shor/lorkhan was the head of the old nord pantheon? That would add another potential theory that they offed shor just so akatosh could be the ultimate power without shor being around anymore. Kind of sounds like a power play to me. would also add more detail to the whole elves and humans not getting along as well thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonslayer2k12 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I play as a nord and collect thalmor outfits hehe:-) Skyrim is for the norrrrrds!!! They tooook eeer jeeeeebs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoron246 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 I play as a nord and collect thalmor outfits hehe:-) Skyrim is for the norrrrrds!!! They tooook eeer jeeeeebs!ooooooooooookay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rethrain Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 About the Lorkhan thing, they wanted to punish him for creating the...mortal world (back when it was chaotic)...if I recall correctly(Too sleepy). Now, as for whether that was truly a power play in disguise(or convenience), sure, it could be. Too late to worry about it now, though. Those other gods (Akatosh, etc.) are pretty impartial, even though they don't manifest themselves as often. Edit#1: Also there is the fact that they had to fix the thing that Lorkhan created, to make it more stable thereby using a lot of their power. I'm guessing they weren't particular happy with him anyways. As for Tsun, no idea, never actually researched that dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoron246 Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 I play as a nord and collect thalmor outfits hehe:-) Skyrim is for the norrrrrds!!! They tooook eeer jeeeeebs!ooooooooooookay I just got curious one day about the animal symbolism with the ancient nords in game since they have etchings of the gods in the the dragon claw lock rooms that tell you which 3 of the divines that temple worshipped more along with alduin, moth/dibella, bear/stuhn/stendaar, the whale/tsun/zenithar,snake/arkay, fox/shor/lorkhan, dragons self explanatory, wolf/mara/maras, hawk/kyne/kynareth, and so on. I got into a debate whether the vanilla game had the etchings on the wall with a user on a mod that auto solves it. people need to look around more, most people always think its all dragon priest etchings. hell that etching that they use in the potema quest with the woman wearing the wolf pelt is being used in that quest to represent potema yet in the tombs its used to represent mara in the etchings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relativelybest Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Anyone ever read about that Tsun may be/is zenithar? Stuhn is Tsuns brother and Stuhn is the nord name for stendarr so wouldnt zenithar who is also apparently supposed to be stendarrs brother in the god crap actually Tsun? If Tsun IS zenithar, wouldnt that make most of the divine worship inert and mean that the old nord pantheon and the elven pantheons are probably much closer to the truth of all that crap? On another note, the whole shor lorkhan crap. I have not played in a while so feel free to correct. But one of the myths about lorkhan/shor and the heart crap being the whole fighting amongst gods and all. Does it seem funny that akatosh/auriel was the head of the elven gods while shor/lorkhan was the head of the old nord pantheon? That would add another potential theory that they offed shor just so akatosh could be the ultimate power without shor being around anymore. Kind of sounds like a power play to me. would also add more detail to the whole elves and humans not getting along as well thing. I always found it interesting - if a bit confusing - that while the gods in Elder Scrolls obviously exist, the various mythologies are designed to resemble the way real world myths evolve and change between different cultures, making them unreliable. We have a ton of lore to work with but we can't say for sure what is and isn't true, or to what degree it is true, because it was all written by people who were fallible and may have gotten things mixed up and confused over the centuries. Like, obviously Alduin and Akatosh are not the same entity (which begs the question if Auri-El and Akatosh are also different gods) and while there may have been some truth to the Malacath/Trinimac story, IIRC Malacath himself once implied it wasn't entirely correct. So, really, who knows? About the Lorkhan thing, they wanted to punish him for creating the...mortal world (back when it was chaotic)... You know, it just occurred to me that the whole Thalmor vs Lorkhan thing seems to be heavily based on Gnosticism. The Thalmor view the material world as basically a prison of imperfection that is keeping them from being the pure spiritual beings they are supposed to be, which would make Lorkhan the demiurge. And like the Gnostics, this leads to conflict with those who revere Thalos as a god. (Except in the real world, the Gnostics were the ones persecuted for suggesting that God is actually evil.) I kinda wonder how much of that was deliberate on Bethesda's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 The Pantheons (Aedric, anyway) of The Elder Scrolls rely heavily on the concept of Mythopoeia. That is, the myths of mortals shape the expression of divine figures. Kyne and Kinnareth are both faucets of the same 'god', but are at the same time independent entities linked to their own pantheons. Tsun is the Nordic Zenethar, just like Sthun is the Nordic Stendar. They are both distinct from their Cyrodiilic counterparts, but aspects of something greater. This is a product of Creation, when the Aedric spirits gave themselves to the creation of Mundus. They are bound to it, and to those that live within it, and are subject to the power of belief because of their sacrifice. The most fragmented of the Divine-Spirits is the Aka-Tusk, pieces of which include Akatosh, Alkosh, Auri-el, Alduin and Tosh-Raka. At least, that's how we currently understand how the Gods work in TES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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