JimboUK Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Where do people get the idea that you can't install third party software on a Mac from? it's no different to Windows, you can install what you want from where you want. OS-X by default will not run apps unless they come from the Mac App Store or are digitally signed by what Apple calls an "identified developer". It is possible to bypass these security settings, but then you are bypassing Apple's quality control and you open yourself up to all of the security holes and potential crashes that folks complain about Windows apps. In fact, from a security standpoint it is even worse since most Macs and Mac users aren't prepared for open security issues. Which means it's not a closed system, it works in the same way as Android and on one would call that "closed", it's actually a sensible system when you think about it, by only enabling third party installs when you want to actually install something you make yourself immune to drive-bys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payne427 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 1. Macs are stable because Apple controls all of the software on them. This is the old argument between an open system and a closed system. Open systems (like Windows) are more flexible, closed systems (like Macs) are stable but much more limited, and tend to be more expensive. If Apple allowed 3rd party vendors to install their software on a Mac, mods would crash just as much on a Bethesda game on a Mac as they would on a Bethesda game on Windows. So this one is just silly. 2.CTD does exist on a Mac. I've done it. I've also completely crashed a Mac. A lot of Windows crashes are due to it being an open system and anyone being able to write code for it, so again, you are getting back to the open vs. closed system debate. 3. And again, if Bethesda wrote software to run on a Mac, I suspect it would be as buggy as their Windows versions. There is some truth to the fact that you would not have as many bug fixes for video drives and the like, because you would be stuck with Mac hardware for the video and all of its limitations and limited number of variets available. 4. Again, if Bethesday wrote the software, I bet it would crash. There is nothing magically crash-proof in the hardware and software for a Mac. A Mac's stability is due to limited hardware options which can be more easily exhaustively tested, and complete control over the hardware and software that goes into the machine. 5. same as above 6. You realize that this exact hardware configuration is available for Windows machines, right? Windows computers come in a MUCH greater variety of shapes and sizes than Macs. 7. For the same amount of money, Windows machines generally outperform Macs. 8. Every browser has bugs, including the ones on Macs. As for popups, run adblock and noscript on your windows computer and you'll have very few problems. 9. Wow, are you sadly mistaken on this one. Macs and linux boxes have been mostly immune to viruses for mainly three reasons. First, they run applications in user mode and are much more restrictive about kernel space access. Second, they have very small market share, which makes them fairly undesireable for virus and malware writers. For the same amount of effort, they can target twenty times as many machines just by picking on Windows instead. Third, a lot of people (including virus and malware authors) hate Microsoft because Microsoft acts like the Evil Empire (using its monopoly power to force certain things, etc). The types of folks who write malware to target the Evil Empire tend not to be so angry at linux or apple, and so they don't target those machines as much. Most linux users are smart enough to know that while linux computers are very unlikely to be infected, they aren't completely immune. There's a common misconception among Mac users though that their machines are invulnerable. Mac viruses and malware has been on the rise in recent years, and it is spreading more quickly and easily due to the ignorance of people like you. Since Mac users think they are immune, they don't take precautions, and are very ill equipped to handle problems when they do arise. You'll never hear about it happening to Apple? There are all kinds of confirmed virus and malware attacks against Apple. There's nothing magical about a Mac. 10. I work as a hardware and embedded software engineer. I started out doing defense work, mostly on radar and flir systems, but I also got involved in other projects like the firing control system for a military helicopter. I worked on the F4, F8, F16, B1, and the A12 (the flying dorito, a project that got cancelled, but you can google it if you want to see what it was). Nothing we had was developed on a mac. Military hardware runs real time hardened operating systems like VxWorks. Development platforms tend to be Windows or Linux based. You can't develop VxWorks appllications on a Mac. We did have macs in our office. We used them for writing reports. They were not used for engineering work. Macs in general are very rarely used in engineering. I'm sure that somewhere, someone has used a Mac to do some sort of engineering work, but in my 30 years of experience, I have never seen it. No company that I have ever worked for or had experience with has ever used a Mac for engineering. I had a security clearance while doing military work, and the way you are talking makes me seriously doubt that you have ever had one. I'm also kinda curious what you think an F17, F20, and an F21 are. 11. That is one of the benefits of a closed system. A lot of off the shelf Windows systems have all of the software pre-installed on them as well. 11. (why do you have two 11's?) There is a point that Macs are less fiddly, but again, that comes back to closed vs open systems. The "P.S" part of the thread was to avoid this type of reply. Guess in the long run, it dosen't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payne427 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) 1. Macs are stable because Apple controls all of the software on them. This is the old argument between an open system and a closed system. Open systems (like Windows) are more flexible, closed systems (like Macs) are stable but much more limited, and tend to be more expensive. If Apple allowed 3rd party vendors to install their software on a Mac, mods would crash just as much on a Bethesda game on a Mac as they would on a Bethesda game on Windows. So this one is just silly. 2.CTD does exist on a Mac. I've done it. I've also completely crashed a Mac. A lot of Windows crashes are due to it being an open system and anyone being able to write code for it, so again, you are getting back to the open vs. closed system debate. 3. And again, if Bethesda wrote software to run on a Mac, I suspect it would be as buggy as their Windows versions. There is some truth to the fact that you would not have as many bug fixes for video drives and the like, because you would be stuck with Mac hardware for the video and all of its limitations and limited number of variets available. 4. Again, if Bethesday wrote the software, I bet it would crash. There is nothing magically crash-proof in the hardware and software for a Mac. A Mac's stability is due to limited hardware options which can be more easily exhaustively tested, and complete control over the hardware and software that goes into the machine. 5. same as above 6. You realize that this exact hardware configuration is available for Windows machines, right? Windows computers come in a MUCH greater variety of shapes and sizes than Macs. 7. For the same amount of money, Windows machines generally outperform Macs. 8. Every browser has bugs, including the ones on Macs. As for popups, run adblock and noscript on your windows computer and you'll have very few problems. 9. Wow, are you sadly mistaken on this one. Macs and linux boxes have been mostly immune to viruses for mainly three reasons. First, they run applications in user mode and are much more restrictive about kernel space access. Second, they have very small market share, which makes them fairly undesireable for virus and malware writers. For the same amount of effort, they can target twenty times as many machines just by picking on Windows instead. Third, a lot of people (including virus and malware authors) hate Microsoft because Microsoft acts like the Evil Empire (using its monopoly power to force certain things, etc). The types of folks who write malware to target the Evil Empire tend not to be so angry at linux or apple, and so they don't target those machines as much. Most linux users are smart enough to know that while linux computers are very unlikely to be infected, they aren't completely immune. There's a common misconception among Mac users though that their machines are invulnerable. Mac viruses and malware has been on the rise in recent years, and it is spreading more quickly and easily due to the ignorance of people like you. Since Mac users think they are immune, they don't take precautions, and are very ill equipped to handle problems when they do arise. You'll never hear about it happening to Apple? There are all kinds of confirmed virus and malware attacks against Apple. There's nothing magical about a Mac. 10. I work as a hardware and embedded software engineer. I started out doing defense work, mostly on radar and flir systems, but I also got involved in other projects like the firing control system for a military helicopter. I worked on the F4, F8, F16, B1, and the A12 (the flying dorito, a project that got cancelled, but you can google it if you want to see what it was). Nothing we had was developed on a mac. Military hardware runs real time hardened operating systems like VxWorks. Development platforms tend to be Windows or Linux based. You can't develop VxWorks appllications on a Mac. We did have macs in our office. We used them for writing reports. They were not used for engineering work. Macs in general are very rarely used in engineering. I'm sure that somewhere, someone has used a Mac to do some sort of engineering work, but in my 30 years of experience, I have never seen it. No company that I have ever worked for or had experience with has ever used a Mac for engineering. I had a security clearance while doing military work, and the way you are talking makes me seriously doubt that you have ever had one. I'm also kinda curious what you think an F17, F20, and an F21 are. 11. That is one of the benefits of a closed system. A lot of off the shelf Windows systems have all of the software pre-installed on them as well. 11. (why do you have two 11's?) There is a point that Macs are less fiddly, but again, that comes back to closed vs open systems. The "P.S" part of the thread was to avoid this exact thing. I respect that you're well-informed on computers and software. My post was not directed towards you or anyone specific. Sorry if you took it that way. You know stuff I don't and I know stuff you don't.But, I'm not sure that I needed my head bit off over a Nexus Forum post. Once again, sorry if you took it that way. Edited February 8, 2016 by Payne427 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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