Realistic Needs and Diseases Issue

[Aethozoid]

I did Google search after Google search, and either the forum I found had no answer, or the answer didn't work for me. I've also searched for my problem here on the Nexus Forums, as well, with no luck.

 

The problem is that some (but not all) of the food items with Realistic Needs and Diseases installed don't reduce hunger. Some of my installed mods that might be important in relation to RND would be Realistic Wildlife Loot and Recipes, SkyTEST - Realistic Animals and Predators, Immersive Creatures, and Better Sorting. I don't think Better Sorting is causing the problem because it's both placed above all of the RND mods and I opted out of the changes to the food it makes. I've tried fixing the problem by setting all the RND mods to be placed below Frostfall and all of my mods relating to Immersive Creatures (though I don't think SIC changes food items or drops at all), but I'm still getting food that don't seem to be affected by RND like they should. I believe that I have all the available patches for RND, such as the ones for the DLCs, Dawnguard, Hearthfire, Dragonborn, as well as ones for my other mods, like Pure Waters and USKP, as they're all listed in my load order, all below the main .esp file.

 

One little not that I think I should mention is that on the Realistic Wildlife Loot and Recipes mod page on the Nexus, it implies that it is compatible with Realistic Needs and Diseases through the 'RND_PatchPack' that's listed in RND's files, but that Patch Pack on the RND page doesn't list RWLaR as a covered mod. Because of this, I didn't install the Patch Pack.

 

Here's a list of all of the foods in the cooking menu that don't have their proper RND effect as they should, along with their effects:

 

Bear Roast (+25 HP/s for 5s)
Bear Roast, Marinated (+7 HP/s for 8s, +2 HP/s for 60s, +5 maxHP for 60s)
Bear Sausage (+8 HP/s for 3s, +5 SP for 4s)
Cabbage Soup (+10 HP, +8 SP)
(x2) Cooked Boar Meat (+12 HP)
Elk Venison Chop (+1 HP/s for 5s, +1 MP/s for 5s, +1 SP/s for 5s)
Elk Venison Stew (+15 SP, +1 HP/s for 720s, +1 SP/s for 720s)
Garlic Dog Ribs (+15 maxSP for 240s)
Goat Steak (+3 HP/s for 5s)
Grilled Chicken Breast (+5 HP)
Grilled Fox Meat (+2 HP/s for 10s)
Horker and Ash Yam Stew (+16 HP, +12 SP)
Horse Haunch (+10 HP)
Mammoth Steak (+10 HP)
Marinated Mammoth Steak (+100 HP)
Mudcrab and Clam Chowder (+2 SP/s for 360s)
Pheasant Roast (+5 HP)
Rabbit Sandwich (+2 HP/s for 120s, +2 HP/s for 12s)
Sabre Cat Roast (+15 maxHP for 240s)
Skeever Stew (+1 HP/s for 60s, +10 HP, -10% SP regen for 10s)
Spicy Sabre Cat Stew (+30% fire dmg resist for 120s, -30% fire dmg resist on target for 5s)
Venison Chop (+5 HP)
Wolf Roast (+15 HP, +30 SP)

 

 

It's really aggravating because many of the food items that don't work with RND are very common, like the Venison Chop and Wolf Roast, so most of the meat that I find isn't going to be useful in depleting my hunger.

 

My full load order, if it's of any help:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
3 3 Dawnguard.esm
4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
5 5 HearthFires.esm
6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
7 7 Dragonborn.esm
8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
9 9 Wyrmstooth.esp
10 a SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm
11 b Campfire.esm
12 c ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
13 d HorseBranding.esm
14 e EFFCore.esm
15 f RSkyrimChildren.esm
16 10 SPIKE.esm
17 11 HighResTexturePack01.esp
18 12 HighResTexturePack02.esp
19 13 HighResTexturePack03.esp
20 14 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
21 15 iHUD.esp
22 16 Extended UI.esp
23 17 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
24 18 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp
25 19 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
26 1a Footprints.esp
27 1b Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
28 1c AMatterOfTime.esp
29 1d sOverEncumbered.esp
30 1e No NPC Greetings.esp
31 1f SkyUI.esp
32 20 Customizable Camera.esp
33 21 Player Size Adjuster.esp
34 22 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
35 23 WetandCold.esp
36 24 WetandCold - Ashes.esp
37 25 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
38 26 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-3.esp
39 27 Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp
40 28 RaceMenu.esp
41 29 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
42 2a AlternateBreezehomePurchase.esp
43 2b When Vampires Attack.esp
44 2c WondersofWeather.esp
45 2d AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp
46 2e College of Winterhold Entry Requirements (Khajiit Speak).esp
47 2f College of Winterhold Entry Requirements (Normal).esp
48 30 Convenient Horses.esp
49 31 JZBai_CrossbowManualReload.esp
50 32 Lock Overhaul.esp
51 33 SkyRe_Main.esp
52 34 Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
53 35 DeadlyMonsters.esp
54 36 UIExtensions.esp
55 37 AOS.esp
56 38 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
57 39 dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
58 3a dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
59 3b DeadlyDragons.esp
60 3c Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
61 3d Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
62 3e TakeNotes.esp
63 3f Duel - Combat Realism.esp
64 40 3DNPC.esp
65 41 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
66 42 EFFDialogue.esp
67 43 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp
68 44 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
69 45 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
70 46 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
71 47 SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Complete.esp
72 48 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
73 49 ELFXEnhancer.esp
74 4a SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
75 4b Thieves Guild Redone.esp
76 4c SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
77 4d OBIS.esp
78 4e ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
79 4f CWIELnFXPatch.esp
80 50 BCS_Skyre_Patch.esp
81 51 SkyRe_Main_Fix.esp
82 52 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
83 53 SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
84 54 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp
85 55 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
86 56 Civil War Repairs.esp
87 57 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
88 58 SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp
89 59 Run For Your Lives.esp
90 5a Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
91 5b Cloaks.esp
92 5c SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp
93 5d SMIM-Merged-All.esp
94 5e Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp
95 5f Immersive Patrols II.esp
96 60 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp
97 61 Better Vampires.esp
98 62 VL No AoE Drain.esp
99 63 ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp
100 64 JokerMod.esp
101 65 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp
102 66 Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
103 67 CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp
104 68 AnIdealSkyforgeMineFREE.esp
105 69 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
106 6a Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp
107 6b CCF PreReProccer Patch.esp
108 6c SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
109 6d Realistic Wildlife Loot - Reduced.esp
110 6e Frostfall.esp
111 6f SkyRe_SiC_Patch.esp
112 70 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
113 71 RealisticRoomRental.esp
114 72 RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp
115 73 RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
116 74 3DNPC Don't Call Me Dragonborn.esp
117 75 SkyRe_Races.esp
118 76 CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp
119 77 skooma.esp
120 78 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
121 79 3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
122 7a SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
123 7b SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp
124 7c skytest no wolves at start.esp
125 7d Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
126 7e ESFCompanions.esp
127 7f Immersive Weapons.esp
128 80 OBISDB.esp
129 81 1nivWICCloaks.esp
130 82 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
131 83 NonEssentialChildren.esp
132 84 Beards.esp
133 85 Proper Aiming.esp
134 86 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dawnguard.esp
135 87 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
136 88 Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp
137 89 Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp
138 8a Character Creation Overhaul.esp
139 8b CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp
140 8c CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp
141 8d CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp
142 8e JZBai_PracticalFemaleArmors.esp
143 8f AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
144 90 Differently Ebony.esp
145 91 RevampedExteriorFog.esp
146 92 ENB Snow FX.esp
147 93 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp
148 94 BCS - SkyRe Patch EN.esp
149 95 TCIY-BCS Patch.esp
150 96 AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
151 97 AOS2_DD Patch.esp
152 98 AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp
153 99 Predator Vision.esp
154 9a aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
155 9b WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
156 9c TimingIsEverything.esp
157 9d SkyRe_Races_Fix.esp
158 9e SkyRe_Combat.esp
159 9f Imaginator BETA.esp
160 a0 SkyRe_StandingStones_Fix.esp
161 a1 HB BasicRidingAI.esp
162 a2 AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
163 a3 OMageCommonRobesV2.esp
164 a4 OMageReplacerPack.esp
165 a5 CWINPCOpulentOutfits.esp
166 a6 PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
167 a7 PrvtI_HeavyArmory_DG_Addon.esp
168 a8 PrvtI_HeavyArmory_TrueOrcishDaedric.esp
169 a9 BooksOfSkyrim.esp
170 aa RSChildren_PatchNEC.esp
171 ab RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp
172 ac RSChildren_PatchBooksofSkyrim.esp
173 ad BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
174 ae SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp
175 af AOS2_SkyRe Patch.esp
176 b0 AOS2_SkyRe-AFTER Patch.esp
177 b1 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
178 b2 SkyRe_EnemyScaling_Fix.esp
179 b3 Skytest USKP.esp
180 b4 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
181 b5 Purewaters.esp
182 b6 AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
183 b7 SkyFalls + SkyMills Wyrmstooth.esp
184 b8 SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
185 b9 RND_AnimalLoot.esp
186 ba Immersive Poisons.esp
187 bb Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp
188 bc Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp
189 bd Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp
190 be RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
191 bf RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
192 c0 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
193 c1 RND_USKP-Patch.esp
194 c2 Realistic Wildlife Loot - Reduced - Hearthfires patch.esp
195 c3 Realistic Wildlife Loot - Reduced - Dawnguard patch.esp
196 c4 Realistic Wildlife Loot - Reduced - Dragonborn patch.esp
197 c5 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
198 c6 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp
199 c7 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
200 c8 PreASISPatchIW.esp
201 c9 Pre Automatic Variants IC Patch.esp
202 ca Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 IW aMidianSS Patch.esp
203 cb qotsafans Books + Book Covers Skyrim HF Patch.esp
204 cc qotsafans Ingestibles HF Patch.esp
205 cd Post ReProccer Fixes IA7 IW aMidianSS Patch.esp
206 ce qotsafans LeveledLists IW IA Patch.esp
207 cf ReProccer.esp

 

 

Any sort of direction is much appreciated.

[archtrtd1]

I checked out the "Realistic Wildlife Loot and Recipes" mod page. The third post down in the comments section actually asks about the RND/Realistic Wildlife patch. One of the replies to that post states that "The author of RND said they wouldn't be updating the patch for RWL anymore." So you may be out of luck finding a pre-made patch that will work for both mods. You can try to make your own patch with TES5Edit - you will only be able to patch the overlapping ingredients/recipes using this method. You will probably have to use the Creation Kit to make the "Realistic Wildlife Loot and Recipes" newly added recipes/food types have the same effects as the RND food types.

[Ondrea]

Any mods that add or modify food won't be recognized by RND without a patch and all those foods you listed were added or modified. The Wolf Roast isn't common to the vanilla game and while the Venison Chop is vanilla, they have modified it. Looking at the files included in the main RND download, I see an optional patch there for a file called Animal Loot. Do you have that one? If not, try re-running the RND installer. Or download it manually and add in that animal loot esp to your data folder. If that doesn't work, you can try this RND Universal Patch.

 

I've always used Hunterborn with RND, and they have their own built-in patch to make the food compatible. It's an alternative to the mod you're using you can try. Also, if you wanted to try iNeed instead, it will detect all food and drinks without patches. Just some other options for you.

[Aethozoid]

Any mods that add or modify food won't be recognized by RND without a patch and all those foods you listed were added or modified. The Wolf Roast isn't common to the vanilla game and while the Venison Chop is vanilla, they have modified it. Looking at the files included in the main RND download, I see an optional patch there for a file called Animal Loot. Do you have that one? If not, try re-running the RND installer. Or download it manually and add in that animal loot esp to your data folder. If that doesn't work, you can try this RND Universal Patch.

 

I've always used Hunterborn with RND, and they have their own built-in patch to make the food compatible. It's an alternative to the mod you're using you can try. Also, if you wanted to try iNeed instead, it will detect all food and drinks without patches. Just some other options for you.

After reading the first part of your post, I looked for the Animal Loot patch and I indeed had it. While looking through my LOOT list, however, I found that my RND files weren't below some Realistic Wildlife Loot files, which I felt kind of silly not noticing them until now. I made my RND files load after them, but that didn't seem to change anything.

 

Having gone back to read the rest of your post, I had never heard of the RND Universal Patch before. Honestly, I already Google searched for 'Realistic Needs and Diseases patch,' and nothing like that ever came up. I installed that, and while not quite all of the recipes restore hunger or thirst, it did fix most of them! The Venison Chop was fixed, and I feel almost that alone is good enough for me. There are a few other apparent discrepancies between mods, like how the Wolf Roast requires Raw Wolf Meat while I have Wolf Meat in my inventory that is indeed raw but doesn't appear to work for the recipe, but at the same time, there's another recipe that calls for Wolf Meat, which works. I might look into Hunterborn to fix that (although I don't use Hunterborn because it changes Leather so that I can't use it in recipes), but I think I can simply deal with small issues like that for now.

 

I've been using RND for a previous install without issues like this, so I guess I've become stubborn, which is why haven't looked at iNeed at all. I didn't know that it didn't require any patches... I might just look into that after all.

 

In any case, I think my problem has been solved. Many thanks!

[Ondrea]

You know, after looking at the RND page, it appears that optional animal loot esp is for RND itself to drop animal meats and have recipes for them, not for Realistic Wildlife Loot. So what's happening is you're having two mods adding animal meat with recipes for both of them. But probably whichever is lower in your order is the only one providing meat and you won't be able to use it in the recipes for the other mod. If you want to keep Realistic Animal Loot and use their recipes, you probably don't need the RND animal loot esp.

[Aethozoid]

You know, after looking at the RND page, it appears that optional animal loot esp is for RND itself to drop animal meats and have recipes for them, not for Realistic Wildlife Loot. So what's happening is you're having two mods adding animal meat with recipes for both of them. But probably whichever is lower in your order is the only one providing meat and you won't be able to use it in the recipes for the other mod. If you want to keep Realistic Animal Loot and use their recipes, you probably don't need the RND animal loot esp.

Thanks for the info! I'll be sure to keep this in mind.

[TurtleTime951]

FOUND EASY SOLUTION! If there is any way to stick this to the top of the post PLEASE DO SO. I've been searching for so long on how to get RND to recognize some of the Hunterborn meats and I FINALLY figured out how to get it to work and I feel so dumb for not trying this sooner. Ready?

 

Load Hunterborn before RND... thats it. That was the fix I was searching for for months but couldn't find the answer to on so many forums and posts. After trying every patch known to man and then just messing with my load order randomly to fix some performance drops, this was the solution. It appears that Hunterborn meats need to be loaded first so that RND can modify them correctly to work with the new foods and recipes. For some reason Vortex will load it after RND automatically. I don't know if other MOs do this as well but it could very well be the problem that most people are having. I might try removing some of the patches to see just how much built in compatibility there is (I doubt it will be much but who knows). I sincerely hope this helps people. As someone who doesn't feel comfortable messing with the actual scripts and making my own patches, this would have been so nice to find when I was first starting to run into this issue. Have a great day!