CTD bug when I get near Skingrad/Derelict Mine

[BubbaSparks420]

Can't figure out this CTD that I keep getting. Happens consistently whenever I get near Skinngrad (usually happens right around Derelict Mine). Everything is perfectly fine, and then immediate CTD. So far all other areas of the game have run flawlessly -- I've wandered all around the Imperial City, Chorrol, etc. without any issues.

 

Here's my mod list:

 

 

Active Mod Files:

• 00 Oblivion.esm

 

• 01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3]

 

• 02 Open Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.0.1]

 

• 03 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33]

 

• 04 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.5]

 

• 05 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

 

• 06 All Natural.esp [Version 1.3]

 

• 07 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.7]

 

• 08 Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp [Version 0.7]

 

• ++ BetterImperfectWater.esp

 

• 09 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3]

 

• 0A RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.9]

 

• 0B RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.9]

 

• 0C Living Economy.esp

 

• 0D Living Economy - Items.esp

 

• 0E Cutthroat Merchants.esp

 

• 0F Streamline 3.0.esp

 

• 10 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33]

 

• ++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]

 

• 11 OMOBS.esp [Version 2.0]

 

• 12 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]

 

• 13 Open Cities Classic.esp [Version 4.0.1]

 

• 14 OCC-OOO-Patch.esp [Version 3.0]

 

• 15 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

 

• ++ Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp

 

• • • All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3]

 

• 16 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

I also have the QTP3 textures installed

 

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Thanks!

[Tamujiin]

Your going the wrong way modding bro. are you using wrye bash? its an easy fast tool to see if you have any conflicts. you may also want to try tes4edit. and tes4lodgen. Boss too. Heres what a pretty freaking awsome load order looks like.

 

Just remeber you have to sort your load order manually still.

 

 

Oblivion.esm

AWS-Core.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

Armamentarium.esm

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

CM Partners.esm

Kaleah.esm

Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Tyrael Armor.esp

TF_timemod1-10.esp

Scrolls.esp

DAWoolyWarMammothMount.esp

Conan Swords - Atlantean Fur Scabbard.esp

Amazon armor variety pack no enchant.esp

1Demons.esp

TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp

TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Female NPCs.esp

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Better Cities .esp

AWS-Main.esp

AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp

AWS-Water.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael_RD.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

PCSoundInnocent.esp

1DeadlyShadows.esp

Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

personality_idles4_nopc.esp

Trainer_Book.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp

AoC Armoury of Conan.esp

ACCCGR SI.esp

BarbarianShop.esp

BlackLuster.esp

BlackLuster 2SwordStyle.esp

Drake Knight Armor and Weapons v1.0.esp

Dread Knight Armor.esp

Ghogiels Armor.esp

KDCirclets.esp

KDClothCirclets.esp

NexonsArmoryENG.esp

pale_rider's Armory of the Berserker.esp

Queensarmory.esp

samurai.esp

Shdw_Armor Set_Sotonhorian.esp

ShaiyaOutfit.esp

tda_Armoury.esp

VA_UniqueKatana1.esp

VA_UniqueKatana1Replace.esp

pale_rider's Nordic Warrior Armor.esp

vermillionandsilverthorn.esp

R18PN - Lingeries.esp

Andragorn_Weapons_Armors.esp

AncientTowers.esp

ExnemRuneskulls.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Increased Spawn Rates.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO+FCOM.esp

ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp

ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp

aaaWindSpear.esp

Banes Lair of the Witchking.esp

Abriael_Human.esp

FenrirTheWolf.esp

Gift of Kynareth.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp

GlenvarCastle.esp

MountainTower.esp

SenTineL's Legendary Weapons And Armors.esp

TheForgottenShields.esp

Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp

Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp

ElsweyrAnequina.esp

Colored Map for Elsweyr 1.1.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

WindspearTower-StendarrValley compatibility patch.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

GiftOfKynareth-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

xulSnowdale.esp

ApachiiHeroesStore-Snowdale patch.esp

OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp

xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp

OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp

xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp

Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

Medium_FPSFIX_Natural_Vegetation.esp

More_Training-1908.esp

Unlimited Rings 1.0.esp

Unlimited Amulets 1.0.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

RD-HeavensWrath-v1-1-Easy.esp

gardening.esp

ArmoryLab 5.0.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_OOO.esp

SM_MMM.esp

SM_AbsorbRestoration.esp

SM_EnableCharmChameleon.esp

SM_EnableRestoreEnchanting.esp

SM_NoPoisonLevitationEffects.esp

SM_EnchantStaff.esp

SM_UnlockSpells.esp

SM_NoSpellLights.esp

SM_Scrolls.esp

SM_SigilStone.esp

MidasSpells.esp

Midas OscuroGems.esp

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

SM_DeadlyReflex.esp

CM Partners.esp

Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

Elves Of Lineage II.esp

Beautiful People.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

CM Partners NPC.esp

CM Partners More NPCs.esp

CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

AsharasCMPartners.esp

Companion_Ab_Human_4.esp

DAConan.esp

DAFeria.esp

DMRA Stock Robe Replacer.esp

DMRA Skimpy Armor Expanded.esp

DMRA Stock Clothing Replacer.esp

dmra_bbb_armamentarium.esp

Beautiful People Robert - Hair merged.esp

Better Cities SKINGRAD.esp

Better Cities BRAVIL.esp

Better Cities ANVIL.esp

Better Cities CHORROL.esp

Better Cities CHEYDINHAL.esp

Better Cities LEYAWIIN.esp

Better Cities BRUMA.esp

Better Cities IC Arboretum.esp

Better Cities IC Arcane University.esp

Better Cities IC Arena.esp

Better Cities IC Elven Gardens.esp

Better Cities IC Green Emperor Way.esp

Better Cities IC Market.esp

Better Cities IC Prison.esp

Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp

Better Cities IC Temple.esp

Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp

Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp

Merged 14.0.esp

 

 

In a load order like this, you have to adjust things manually a little, like the DMRA, will override the bettercities esos, and cause the message to appear in I.C market, and with boss, it will load DMRA last, plus the 4 or 5 mods that arn't registered with boss.

 

I guess a basic rule of thumb, heres how your load order should theoretically go.

 

Oblivion esm.

weather changing esms.

Hair, face changing esms.

Race add on esms.

Body changing esms.

Worldspace changing esms. ( things that alter the landscape in world spaces like Unique landscapes. )

City changing esms.

 

Then do the same to the esps.

but somewhere in between the race esps and the body changing esps.

All added armor weapons plants etc esps.

It really helps the not crashing to know how to manually adjust your load order.

[BubbaSparks420]

I am using Wyre Bash and BOSS. When I run the Mod Checker in Wyre Bash, it doesn't list any conflicts. I just used BOSS for the load order, and didn't adjust anything manually, so I assume it should be OK?

[HeyYou]

Are you including AI packages in your bashed patch? Do you by any chance have Glarthirs quest? (the crazy dude in skingrad...)

[BubbaSparks420]

When building the bashed patch, I'm importing anything with an .esp ending. The only AI stuff I can think of that I would have is anything included with OOO, and also potentially Open Cities (guard behavior maybe?)

 

I'm thinking it may be something to do with Open Cities -- seems like out of everything, that would be the most likely cause. Will probably try uninstalling that and see what happens as a next step.

[Tamujiin]

I don't crash. Better cities incorperates open cities. I know it seems tedious, but try to use TES4edit and make a merged patch. you can always delete the merged patch.

 

Just run the tool till all yer mods are loaded, then right click in the left pain and click on merged patch.

Don't trust boss to magically fix your load order. Its a great tool to do most the work, but you gotta tweak it manually.

 

OOO + MMM + Bettercities, doesnt crash the game.

 

It could even be something like try disabling your V-sync. Your rig may not go well with it. and in that spot, it could crash your game.

 

I run on a really old rig. But my settings always run on very high, and i don't crash. One major crash issue i had was V-sync. disabling that and tweaking my load order, fixed things. I use streamsave in streamline thats it.

[HeyYou]

If you have Glarthir's quest, and import AI from OOO, the crash is actually fairly common. I experienced it in one of my games, rebuilt the patch, but, haven't gone back to test yet.

[painrage]

I belive this is caused by a problem with the knights of nine mod. make sure the data was coppied correctly because this happend to me and the game would crash when ever calvary hill came into view, but i couldn't tell what it was becasue it wasn't rendering. A way to check if you are having crashes due to missing textures is travel around looking straight at the ground. If you don't crash then there you go. also I was first tiped off when i saw a slight bit of pink on the screen when it froze and then crashed out. hope that helps