Modded Fallout 3 Crashing 30 min - 1 hour

[BlackRampage]

This sounds a lot like my problems with this game. I've tried everything that has been suggested so far here, and my mod load order sounded very similar. I thought maybe the problem was FWE, and so I installed a bunch of different mods to try and recreate only what parts of it I needed, thinking it might help the problem... but it did not.

 

Strangely enough, if I disable half my mods, the freezing goes right away. I can play for hours but the game is so bleak and despirate that way I can't stand it. So one by one I add mods back in, start again, play for hours and it's fine.

 

Then blammo, after eliminating every single mod from IT being the cause of the crash, once I get back up to a certain NUMBER of mods, it doesn't work any more.

 

It's very strange, as I tried disabling the big mods first and it had no effect. So it couldn't be a memory leak issue, could it?

 

Heres my list. Let's see what we have in common, mod-wise:

 

 

[X] Fallout3.esm

[X] Anchorage.esm

[X] ThePitt.esm

[X] StreetLights.esm

[X] BrokenSteel.esm

[X] PointLookout.esm

[X] Zeta.esm

[X] Lings.esm

[X] LingsDLC.esm

[X] RI_Core.esm

[X] FNNsys.esm

[X] IMCN.esm

[X] Inventory Access.esm

[X] iHUD.esm

[X] CRAFT.esm

[X] CALIBR.esm

[X] CMRS.esm

[X] Apocalypse Armory.esm

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

[X] Companion Core.esm

[X] Companion Share & Recruit.esm

[X] RobCo Certified v2.esm

[X] Wasteland Whisperer v2.esm

[X] AmyWong.esm

[X] DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

[X] RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm

[X] Zumbs' Overhauled Real Time Security.esm

[X] Ambient Temperature.esm

[X] MyDog.esm

[X] Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

[X] Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm

[X] resetfollowers_v3.3.esp

[X] FireLightFix.esp

[X] BetterGamePerformance.esp

[X] Ambient Temperature HUD.esp

[X] Ambient Temperature - OA.esp

[X] Project Cleaned.esp

[X] TakingOutTheTrash.esp

[X] TOTTPointLookoutEdition.esp

[X] Nice Player Bed.esp

[X] krzymar-MoonSize_080%.esp

[X] CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp

[X] CRAFT - Clutter Conversions.esp

[X] CALIBRxMerchant.esp

[X] DK_BulletTime.esp

[X] Sprint Mod.esp

[X] RH_IronSights_Basic_DLC All.esp

[X] RH_IronSights_Pitt_NewRifleSights.esp

[X] RH_IronSights_RemoveReticule.esp

[X] RH_IronSights_PL_NewItems.esp

[X] Feng Shui.esp

[X] GeneratorSound.esp

[X] Existence2.0.esp

[X] WorkiingToilets.esp

[X] Laurens_Bathroom_poetry_V1.esp

[X] Megaton Tweaks - Snipers Edition.esp

[X] PortableCampStuff.esp

[X] MoreMapMarkers.esp

[X] BusworldV1.05d.esp

[X] FPS Grenade Hotkey.esp

[X] FPS Grenade Hotkey - Zeta addon.esp

[X] FPS Knife Hotkey.esp

[X] CMRS - Vanilla.esp

[X] CMRS - Rebalanced Junk.esp

[X] MTC Wasteland Travellers.esp

[X] MTC Wasteland Travellers (Optional)- Crowded Cities less NPCs.esp

[X] Rivet City Realignment.esp

[X] B.B.G.esp

[X] Fallin3 SouthEast Wasteland.esp

[X] WeightAmmo.esp

[X] DAV_weighted_ammoweight.esp

[X] Apocalypse Armory - CALIBR.esp

[X] Apocalypse Armory - DLC Enhancements.esp

[X] Refurbishes [ALL].esp

[X] 7_HolsterForHandGunsV1_1.esp

[X] BBBackpacks-v1-1.esp

[X] Stealthboy Recon Armor - CRAFT.esp

[X] Powered Power Armor.esp

[X] PPA - Operation Anchorage.esp

[X] PPA - Broken Steel.esp

[X] PPA - The Pitt.esp

[X] PPA - Mothership Zeta.esp

[X] PPA - Ambient Temperature.esp

[X] KarmaRevampExtreme1010.esp

[X] KarmaNorm.esp

[X] ReneerInvisibleKarmaMod.esp

[X] ZORTS - Content Destruction - Normal.esp

[X] ZORTS - Custom HP.esp

[X] Wasteland Travel Caravans.esp

[X] Companion Core DLC Addon.esp

[X] Wasteland Whisperer v2 Broken Steel Addon.esp

[X] RobCo Certified v2 Zeta Addon.esp

[X] Responsive Kill Reactions.esp

[X] ImmersiveHealth-LITE.esp

[X] Gunfire Sound Range Increased.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp

[X] AmyWong - FOSE.esp

[X] AmyWong - DLCs.esp

[X] AmyWong - CALIBR 1.3.esp

[X] amywongmodmod.esp

[X] Survival.esp <--- A merge of ICMN, BLTC, and Real Injuries. My own merge. And it works fine.

[X] PPA - IMCN.esp

[X] Arwen_Realism_Core.esp

[X] Arwen_Hard-Core.esp

[X] Arwen_GOTY_Realism_Core.esp

[X] Arwen_MMM_Patch.esp

[X] Core Robots - The Protectrons.esp

[X] Banks of the Wasteland Expanded.esp

[X] Arwen_VisionFX.esp

[X] Whose been sleeping in my Bed.esp

[X] Game_VertibirdTravel.esp

[X] Game_WastelandTravel.esp

[X] ZZ_TP.esp

[ ] ZZ_APP.esp <---- Working on an adaptation

[X] James Invisible wall bugs remove.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain and Snow Plugin.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

[X] Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + All.esp <--- Merged again, worked fine before

[X] Realistic Interior Lighting.esp

[X] AmyWong - Load Order Fix.esp

[X] UltimateNo.esp

[X] No Blur Effect.esp

[X] DarNifiedUIF3.esp

[X] Tweaks.esp

[X] Merged.esp

 

 

 

Overall, the mods I have recreate 90% of FWE and add 50% more survivalist stuff. But the problem (and I hope, the solution) seems to be the same.

 

I've gone through the list and eliminated, as I stated, every mod from the list as being the problem INDIVIDUALLY. I took out EVE initially thinking it might be the problem, but it wasn't. I thought that was it because the problems started happening shortly after I installed EVE. Removing it let me get out a door instead of CTDing, but then so did removing FWE, so I removed EVE and thought I had fixed it.

 

But then the hard-freeze bugs reared their ugly freezing. So I updated all the drivers in my computer to the latest versions. That seemed to work fine, except after a while they came back... only now they were error box CTDs again.

 

Edit:

 

So looking at the list, the only two mods we really share are MyDog and XDW. I know it's not Dynamic Weather, though I've suspected it was since it's such an ambitious thing... but MyDog I haven't tested out for crashiness yet. The problems I am experiencing got WAY worse when I tried going to retrieve the doggie. In fact, I've never gotten there due to the instability (and now testing new FWE replacements... which is kinda fun).

 

Let's try starting a new game without MyDog and see how it goes.

Actually yours might be a lot simpler. Why? well, the "James Invisible wall bugs remove.esp should be all the way down in your load order. Second, that's an outdated version. Please download the newest version. (the one meant for modded Fo3)

 

Also, I suspect you run Masterupdate whenever you install a mod? If so, please tell me you don't let it "masterupdate" the aforementioned mod. :unsure: See, if you do that, it will inevitably crash. (see the authors description page, he'll say the same)

Edited May 25, 2011 by BlackRampage

[BlackRampage]

Hey Black,

 

I am completely stumped on this. Did everything you said. Turned off each mod one at a time and tested it, thought I had it pinned on darnified ui mod, but once I put everything back in it still crashed after 20 min (at that testing spot, lots of action going on).

 

<sigh> Guess last thing to try is the GOTY edition. Is the steam version mod friendly?

Well, that makes two of us. I'm getting pretty stumped on this too.

I'll update asap if I do figure out some sort a solution...

You know, there are actually some who, for some reason, cannot play a modded FO3 at all. Don't known why though. Something to do with their rig? Anyway, hopefully you're not one of those. Do does the vanilla game run anyway? (Apologies if you already posted that)

 

And yeah, as far as I know, the steam version is mod friendly too. (New Vegas is mod friendly too after all ;) )

[Jeoshua]

Actually yours might be a lot simpler. Why? well, the "James Invisible wall bugs remove.esp should be all the way down in your load order. Second, that's an outdated version. Please download the newest version. (the one meant for modded Fo3)

 

Also, I suspect you run Masterupdate whenever you install a mod? If so, please tell me you don't let it "masterupdate" the aforementioned mod. :unsure: See, if you do that, it will inevitably crash. (see the authors description page, he'll say the same)

 

Okay I got the newer version. I hadn't seen that "Big Kaluha Revisited" thing and if I did figured it was for a mod named Big Kaluha ;)

 

But suppose I once master updated this file, then masterrestored it before. I had the old version nestled into my Tweaks compilation and didn't know you shouldn't master update it. I read the author's info and he said something about it injecting into your registry! Am I screwed completely now? Or did the restore remove this problem?

[BlackRampage]

Nah, you're not completely screwed :biggrin:

Just delete the old esp and replace it with the new one. That's all. :thumbsup:

[Zeratul123]

Alrighty then,

 

Lol I just bought another copy of Fallout 3, the GOTY edition retail (lol I'm a bit too committed haha).

 

Gonna give it a go and try to start a new game without MyDog, and see how it goes.

 

I'll post an update after I try it out.

 

@Jeoshua

 

Ya I got my game down to only FWE being enabled, and the game played fairly well, but it was sooo bare! Tried putting stuff back in BOOM, CTD's :/

Edited May 25, 2011 by Zeratul123

[Jeoshua]

Okay, so after applying Coremechanic's wall bugs remover, the NEW version... and NOT shredding it with masterupdate... it still crashed.

 

Then I removed MyDog.esm

 

And played for 3 hours, straight.

 

I don't know why and it could be a fluke since I recompiled my merged file afterwards, but there you have it.

 

At least in my case, this seems to have been the key to the problem. It also revealed that I'm getting under 5 fps in the middle of Megaton due to some mods I have installed there. One is spamming things into the console windows like "RESETED" and "MELEE ATTACK ANIM". I'm looking through Fo3edit right now to find the offending culprit.

 

Okay apparently that one was the follower reset module, and looking through the code that wasn't it at all. The slowdown happens when looking at any NPCs, live or dead.

 

And apparently, I had 3 copies of a script meant to make you slow down when backpedaling running at the same time. I'm currently doing some cleanup on all these mods to try and lessen the load. Does anyone know if Arwen's scripts NEED to be running every 1/20th of a second (0.05 quest delay... that's what that means, right?)

Edited May 26, 2011 by Jeoshua

[BlackRampage]

Removing Mydog did the trick? Huh? Is there some other mod in your load order that conflicts with it?

Maybe I should give that one a try myself sometime soon, see how stable it runs.

 

(oh, it's actually ccmechanic, not Coremechanic :biggrin: )

 

@Zeratul123: I actually bought Fo3 three times, so you're not the only one who's committed :tongue:

[Zeratul123]

Okay, so after applying Coremechanic's wall bugs remover, the NEW version... and NOT shredding it with masterupdate... it still crashed.

 

Then I removed MyDog.esm

 

And played for 3 hours, straight.

 

I don't know why and it could be a fluke since I recompiled my merged file afterwards, but there you have it.

 

At least in my case, this seems to have been the key to the problem. It also revealed that I'm getting under 5 fps in the middle of Megaton due to some mods I have installed there. One is spamming things into the console windows like "RESETED" and "MELEE ATTACK ANIM". I'm looking through Fo3edit right now to find the offending culprit.

 

Okay apparently that one was the follower reset module, and looking through the code that wasn't it at all. The slowdown happens when looking at any NPCs, live or dead.

 

And apparently, I had 3 copies of a script meant to make you slow down when backpedaling running at the same time. I'm currently doing some cleanup on all these mods to try and lessen the load. Does anyone know if Arwen's scripts NEED to be running every 1/20th of a second (0.05 quest delay... that's what that means, right?)

 

Did you make a new game Jeoshua? Or just play from an old game?

Update: Tried just removing MyDog from one of my old saves, still crashed after 30 min. Starting to think I'm one of those people who can't play a modded Fallout!

Edited May 26, 2011 by Zeratul123

[BlackRampage]

Did you make a new game Jeoshua? Or just play from an old game?

Update: Tried just removing MyDog from one of my old saves, still crashed after 30 min. Starting to think I'm one of those people who can't play a modded Fallout!

That's what I've been thinking too, Zeratul. You don't happen to be lucky enough to have a second rig on which you can play, do you? :(

(or at least a rig on which you can test it, if only for a small while?)

[Zeratul123]

Did you make a new game Jeoshua? Or just play from an old game?

Update: Tried just removing MyDog from one of my old saves, still crashed after 30 min. Starting to think I'm one of those people who can't play a modded Fallout!

That's what I've been thinking too, Zeratul. You don't happen to be lucky enough to have a second rig on which you can play, do you? :(

(or at least a rig on which you can test it, if only for a small while?)

I have another rig. I think I mentioned when I first created my help thread.

 

I tested almost the exact same mod setup on the other computer (difference is it uses an Ati 5770 and Quad Core), and it can play pretty well with minimal crashes. But the MyDog mod MIGHT be the culprit, because my other computer never had it installed.

 

So the last thing I'm going to try is to start a new game without MyDog. This is the only thing I have not tested yet. I noticed that with MyDog, I get a RIDICULOUS amount of spawns for some reason, and I only have MMM setup to have 1-3 increased spawns (I'm talking like fighting 10 super mutants, plus floaters and abominations at the entrance in the Museum area, the first cell too). Maybe MyDog is screwing around with MMM somehow. After that, then I'll just be giving up :P I think I've done my due diligence :D.