OddGuy Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 So; does he/she exist? What are your personal opinions on God, and religion in general? Personally, I would never deny the exitence of God(s), and I believe that God is everywhere, and nowhere. His love envelops us; he punishes us for foul deeds and rewards us for good. He helps us in all our troubles, and gives us the confidence to face life. OddGuy->restore_cynicismSorry bout that bit of plagerism there, Theta. :innocent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmid Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Personally, I am pretty open minded. I think there is something up there, but I don't have a frigging clue what form he/she/it takes, or whether there's 1, 2, 12 or an entire race of them. How's that for keeping your bases covered? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Simple answer: No.Long answer: I don't believe in any form of god or higher power, and I don't see any reason to. The world works just fine without one. I believe that god is a creation of our own minds, a more comfortable answer to life's difficult questions. Death and is not a pleasant thought, so the existence of an afterlife is a better story for many people. Same thing with the lonely thought of being alone in the universe, it feels better to think that there is a god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I see religion in general is a double edge sword, a society that worships a god(s) is moral ushaly (not the Aztecs) but their beileve seperates them from other veiws and ideas somtimes nessesary in a civilization. I personaly do not believe in any god(s) but ourselfs, but I respect others rights and opinions also, If a god did exist it would be great, there would be some deep purpose for us, but I see it in man's nature to center the universe around ourselfs, we question everything! Things that are more far out than anything, like the universe going on forever, and how did life start? Well Love, happiness, joy are not mans main feelings, The entire earth never came together in one massive love-fest, but it did come together on a couple of occasions out of our prime nature, hatred. It's sad, but it's survival, It does not define the way we live but it does clash with our existance at all ends, hatred is powerfull it can drive somone to do things that change lives forever. Nobody ever acts involuntary out of love, but mad "ungodly" hate can make somone do somthing they can't control. it is possible to loose control, it's not just a saying. Well sorry to be so negitive but that was my view :mellow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddGuy Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 Far from plagerism, those words are as common as "you get what you pay for" and "two wrongs don't make a right" sry i wasnt clear; what i meant by the plagerism comment was the "OddGuy->restore_cynicism" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Oh, well I thought you took it from a Daily Bread or somthing, :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I'm agnostic (to the severe disapointment from my parents), but only in a way. I prefer calling my "religion" Cookiedom. (sorry for the lond post but it's required to understand my "religion") The basis of Cookiedom=================================================Fact:Everything in the universe is made of chemicals, atoms, electrons, ect. Our feelings and thoughts them selfs, our veary self awarence is just chemicals mixing and reacting to each other by set laws. Laws of physics, science, chemistry, nature whatever. We exist in spatial dimensions; hight, width, and depth. Another dimention is time (which is NOT somthing you want to ask me about). According to our scientists these dimentions span forever, they never stop. They may never end but that doesn't mean that the dimentions we know can't be escaped. Here's a little thinking: Theirs our universe, with all our 3 dimentions and time itself (I call our dimentions, it's chemicals, and time the "cookie"). Our universe may be the only one, but who knows. We can never know becouse we, being three dimentional beings, NEED 3 dimentions. We NEED to have hight and such or the chemicals we're made of don't exist and our very thoughts are gone. So we can't leave our universe to see what is out there*, if there even is anything. So we have to wait for somthing from out there to come to us, which may never happen. *"out there" meaning outside our 3 dimention and outside of time its self. You may call this heaven, or hell, or what ever. So we can't answer what religion is right unless something happens. That somthing needs to be a god, or the god, or the gods to come to our three dimention and our time and say "Hey, look at me! I'm real." Somthnig that completly defys the laws of our universe needs to occour and we need to be able to atribute that event to an entity or entities. Otherwise we wait for that to happen. That event may never happen and it's best to not sit around waiting for it. So what should we do? We should look at our universe, our chemicals, our atoms, our electrons and our time (simply put: we need to look at our cookie). We need to look at all of this and try to make it a +, becouse that is logical, and logic is the best way to do anything. Period. It's a fact. What is a +? A + is a good thing, it can be best described like such:"A + improves your existance." So a teacher helping you is a +, and so is a bike when you have no car and need to get home wich is 12 miles away. +s are logical, we need to get +s even if it means taking -s. But never should you take a - to get a + unless that plus eventually stays a +. So how do we make life a giant +? By looking at our chemicals (ect.) and figuring out what chemical reactions and such are +, then presuing a path that leads to the highest number of +s for everyone. (Logic should be based on the whole, not the individual) But now heres where I break the image of the utopia that you belive exists:The greatest + attainable is a plesure coma, a system of living that is nothing but good, no bad things, a utopia. But that + does not do what you expet it to. A pleasure coma would become an over all zero, not a - nor a +. Why? Becouse the feeling of good would become expected and we'd need a greater feeling. Our "happy" would be normal, not unhappy, but not happy. And scence we've all ready obtained the greatest + we'd be stuck at that bland zero. And taking a zero is not a + so realy the pleasure coma is a -. How do we unsure that + continue to mean anything? Simple, with -s. With a - a + realy looks good. Their foils, like black is to a shiny diamond. Only with suffering can we truly be happy. That is logical, that is fact. You may try to argue it but I doubt you'd win less I screw up and mispeak. So we need -s and we need +s, but at what ratio? Honestly I don't know. I'm guessing 40:60 (-:+), but I may be wrong. So let's make an educated choice. We could change culture over a few hundred centuries to get a set ratio of + and -s, or we could just leave it, do nothing. Finale: We can't "solve" religion, untill religeon smacks us in the face. We can only look at our selfs and make our lifes a plus. To do that we need minus. We can't concievably set our +s and -s so we'll just leave it. We'll just continue doing what we're doing, only droping the religiuse pretenses becouse as I've shown we can't realy prove those pretenses right. Not many people are willing to accept this truth, so it lies in you, the individual reader of this, to choose this way of life. To live life to it's fullest. Take the good, take the bad, just take it. Just shut the hell up and eat the damn cookie for all it's worth. Why? Cuz that's logical.============================================ But then agian I could be wrong (though for all I'm worth, I REALY don't think I am). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Believe it or I actually understand everything he wrote. :huh: The cookie idea is part of the answer I think, We can not proof anything about god. The only thing to say god exist is, many people believe it, we don't know all the answers but think we should know so god must exist, and sombody wrote it in a book so that settles it, why would sombody write such a big book, all the people who supposadly(sp!) wrote it, I mean they wouln't do it for nothing, but every other religon that did the exact same did it for nothing, but that dosn't proof he dosn't exist, it just rerally really really really hints at it. * I dream of a world of logical thinkers, working together for the better of humanity, for immortality that only science could ever possibly give us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Well really all the chapters to the book were just diffrent followers writting there stories right? And their stories have been around for how many years? And no body kinda exagerated on the stuff? Yah sure, he led us across a lake to escape our presures.turns to:Yep, he made the lake easy to cross with his divine help from God.turns to:Yep, he split that lake right in two he did. So realy it was just like one chapter then a bunch of zelots wrting the rest about what they say happend. But what they call a mirical, I call a mystery that more then likly has an answer or just didn't happen.--- As for immortality... it's possable only in a scence. I don't know the terminology of it all but I know basicly what I am saying when I say; It's possable in a scence. plus this is ot so I'll shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Actually maybe a Immortality post should be started, but it would all tie back into this topic when people ask can we be immortal? Body but not soul? Soul? God? Duhy. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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