God

[Mojlnir]

I must agree with Peregrine to a certain extent. Religion and all its trappings are a human creation. The holy texts upon which the major religions are based are human constructs as well. When Ugg walked out of his cave 250,000 years ago, he needed something to explain the lightning coming from a building thunderstorm. Because Ugg (not really a bad guy but kinda dumb) didn't know that lighting is an electrical discharge that occurs between earth and sky he surmised that MUGLOGRAT (or something similar) was the god of lightning. And so it continues. Now we are at the point were we have explained much of what occurs in nature and still we feel something lacking. I tend to believe that it has to do with our feelings of acute insignifigance when human existence is viewed against the back drop of the universe. We feel small and belief in one god or another provides a sense of belonging and direction.

Now, I don't subscribe to one particular religion and I feel that one is just as good as another. There are sects of all major religions that preach evil teachings, and for them I have no love or respect. In my opinion, religions are like rooms in a house, all of them are different, but the roof stays the same. I like to call the supreme power "fate," but that is my personal preferrence. Call it what you will, I think there's no escaping the fact that there is "something" bigger than us. It can't control us, nor can we influence it, but we have to go somewhere when we pass. My mind can't accept otherwise.

[loveme4whoiam]

Woah Nevermore, thats deep (i think. I really have a small understanding of religious matters. Strange, considering i hang out with a load of devout guys.) As for myself, atheist. I refer back to one of my other posts, its in the life and death thread (just to annoy Malchik - reiteration :P :lol: ). I once had a thought (this was after much debating, lager, and more debating among my previously mentioned devout friends) that if God(s) did exist, then life is the trial that they put us through to earn ourselves a place in heaven. There was more, but im drunk and so cant be bothered to go into it here...

[Switch]

Personally, I think some form of higher being has to exist. I just can't bring myself to belive two atoms bumped into eachother and created this ENTIRE complex universe. I'm a bit inbetween beliefs at the moment, just because I find some of the stuff in the bible and such a little... unpheasable. But I definately believe there has to be some kind of God.

[Malchik]

We are endlessly re-cycleable so we don't need to 'go' anywhere. We just get re-used.

 

If there is a concept 'god' it cannot be understood by our limited imaginations.

 

Since we cannot comprehend the concept 'god', attempts to do so are bound to fail.

 

For this reason I keep an open mind on whether we are actually an experiment for uber-mice (see Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy), the toy of a benevolent/sadistic creator or whether we just are.

[Faust870]

I look at it this way...

 

It's peoples beliefs, you can't really say whether he exists or not, its just what you believe...and thats all that really matters...

 

Heres a little theory to prove perhaps he doesn't exist.. Now, I believe this so called "God" is a figmant of our imagination... and to prove this, if everyone in the world was to burn every single bible, and anything that had to do with the bible, and no one talked about it and to quit believing, and talking about "God" as well. Simply, he would no longer exist... Get my drift? Perhaps if for the rest of my life, i raged on and on about God speaking to me, and i sounded like a madman, over time...people would start to take me as a prophet, hopefully though! no one is like... Prove you are a messenger of God... make this seed grow instantly... Than I'd be SOL...lol

 

EDIT: I said this on a different thread, but we were told to quit talking about religion and god...soo thats why im putting it here lol

Ok , Now since the majority of Canada/Amercia/Britian...and other places...are Catholic/Christan, we are taught from the time we are born about heaven and hell, it's all we know, so it's what we believe and think is right. UNTIL! however, we learn to think on our own, than our own beliefs come in... Since my family isn't catholic or religious at all, I'm not either, but i chose not to be religious because personally in my mind, its all just story telling, makes things rather difficult... If this so called "God" existed, and people doubted his existance, why doesn't he come around every 100 years or so? Than people would start to believe in him. Hes nothing more than a figment of our imagination, like i stated before, if everyone just quits believing in his existance, he would no longer exist, no two ways about it.

- Faust

[Akrid]

The atheist believe system is the only truly unique one. All others think there is a higher power. Greek mythology was before Christanity and it talked about worshipping higher powers. Funny if any of the religions today are true, how their god(s) went about doing the same thing that Greek mythology did to get people to believe in them. But that dose not cancel out agnostics.

 

If there is a concept 'god' it cannot be understood by our limited imaginations.

 

Malchik made a good point, however I would say it's not a matter of limited imagination that prevents us from understanding 'god'. I think It's lack of comprehension really, Imagination however does however blur our logic.

[Nevermore]

*fineshes puking* Bah! I hate when people revert to such melodrama when a discussion is in the making. Nothing, let me repete this, NOTHING is beyond comprehention. If somthing was beyond it then it would be impossable to give it a label or even think about it. So becouse we can say god, and know what it means, it is NOT uncomprehendable.

 

As for the whole can't belive I don't go on after death thing: I also suffer the same dillema, in a way. I'm human enough to think that there has to be somthing else, but I know better then to belive it. So it's an eternal debate. AND an unanswerable one untill either we can prove that a god deos exist or that he proves it him self. Maybe somthing like if he broke the cookie in two, fliped one side, then stuck it back together.

 

Anyways there are still a few good questions that need to be examined:

 

1) Maybe "god" is an uniteligent being. Maybe we're being to human and assuming it is a living entity. Maybe "god" has simply been personified and is realy just substance. Maybe the closest thing to "god" would be the cookie, just atoms, just electrons, just hight, just time. No feelings, no thoughts, no "divine plan".

 

2) What if we truly don't exist? Hard to think about but what if there is no cookie. Many times on tv you'll see the earth and the galaxy and everything else shrink into a marble and little kids will be playing with it, and that's not what I'm talking about. Those images imply that there is anything at all, inside the cookie or out. What I"m trying to say is there very well may be no cookie, and there is nothing outside the cookie, and even the term nothing (even if it means not even nothing) means nothing. Get it?

 

3) Another one: What if you are god? What if YOU created the cookie? It makes scence doesn't it? Make the cookie then live in it, much funner then just watchin it right? Who says it aint true, there is no way of disproving that you arn't god. Some would say "well then so could the hobo down the street, or my fish." and their right but that's not what I'm saying. Becouse you have no way to prove that I, or anyone else you meet are real. We think, we talk, eat, and we fart just like you. But that mean squat, cuz you can't prove that I'm a real person. I bleed, but so what. You only truly know that you yours self exists. The words your reading now maybe somthing you, as god, desided youd end up reading for a strang kinda joke. Like showing a rat the map to the maze before puting him in the maze knowing full well the rat won't understand the map.

 

But those are just my thoughts.

[Akrid]

let me repete this, NOTHING is beyond comprehention

 

:sick: Ok "imagine" and "comprehend" are different, anyone can imagine what god might be like and understand the subject of if a god exsist, But to comprehend a god, and to know how it works would probably be beyond our comprehension. But you say nothing is beyond your comprehension? Well then since you have the ability to take knowledge into infinite wisdom (or take facts into no-limit comprehension) then explain to me how is it space ends? If you go to the edge of the universe, what after that? _______Answer? Where did energy originally come from? "It just was" is not an expectable _____Answer. Whats a matter you can't comprehend an answer? But there must be one.

 

I do not believe in any god, but I find the possibility of his existence un-likely.

[Ancalagon]

I used to be agnostic, but ever since I was in a car accident (two weeks ago) that I should have died in, but I survived (well, duh, I'm here typing to you guys) I have come to believe that there may be some sort of force at work that I will never understand. I thought that the circumstances were just too unbelievable for me to survive, so I am not saying that there is a god persay, but perhaps there are things in this world that logic and reason just cannot explain. I know that this isn't the first time I should have died, when I was six I fell off of a dock and should have by all rights drowned, but my Dad dove in without even knowing where I was and he managed to save me (and beleive me this was a 'hit or miss' kinda shot, another second I would have been to deep for him to get), and then there was the earlier part of me eating enough ant poison to kill me three times over. But I never got sick, never at all, I was taken to the doctor and into the ER and they were waiting for me to keel over, but nothing happened. I was fine, and to this day no one can explain how I did it (because babies aren't immune to ant poison. go figure).

So anyways, I still don't know about God (as in Jesus Christ and all that) but I do think that there are beings or forces that are too powerful and too huge for us to understand, sorta like a H.P Lovecraftian kinda thing, if anyone understands that. I also frown upon religion as a whole, since I believe that it is souly responsible for all War upon Earth. Religion can be used as an excuse to wipe out whole races of people, and I think that if there was a God and he saw the attrocities being done in his name, I think the Judgement or End of Days would come along rather quick like. Jebus, that was long! :nazgul:

[Nevermore]

But you say nothing is beyond your comprehension?

I say nothing is beyond anybody's comprehention, not just mine.

 

since you have the ability to take knowledge into infinite wisdom

I'm not arogent enough to think I have infinite widom. But scence this quote arised from a previse misunderstanding (see above), I'll say no more.

 

explain to me how is it space ends? If you go to the edge of the universe, what after that? _______Answer? Where did energy originally come from? "It just was" is not an expectable _____Answer.

You have misread my post. I said "or even think about it", which means becouse you can ask "what comes after that?" that means you can concieve of somthing being there, meaning you can comprehend it.

 

Whats a matter you can't comprehend an answer? But there must be one.

There's bound to be one, but scence it's beyond our comprhension we can't even fathom to think about guessing what it is. And if we can't understand the context of the unthinkable situation, then how can we comprhend it?

 

So now that you (hopfully) relize what I axually said you can respond with out turning this into an argument, and jsut sticking with a debate. Also I hate it when people post 80 quotes and respond to them all like I just did but I fealt it was nessisary to under stand this post in it's entirity.