Cowboy Models/meshes?

[theDemonJackal]

This is a request, but also a question. I love NV, and love fiddling with the geck to edit some supermutants and eyebots, be they companions or just NPC's. However, I love the cowboy motif the most about NV. So I was wonder if there was any possibility of a mod where there are cowboy hat wearing mutants, eyebots or robots? Or all of the above. I mean a mutant with a bowler hat, small round glasses and a stash just sounds wonderful.

As does an eyebot with a cowboy hat. I dont know if its a lot to ask, but I would just love to walk around the wasteland with a bunch of cowboys of different races, and have like an old west feeling to it.

"Beware of the Dead Men. Roughest gang of cowboys this side of vegas."

If anyone knows of mods like this, or can make them, please tell me. I am still learning with the geck and modding and cannot grasp making meshes yet.

I am mostly looking for variety in mutants and eyebots to be honest.

[Jokerine]

I have an eyebot with a cowboy hat here if you want to grab the mesh :smile: And for protectrons there's always Primm Slim :wink:

 

EDIT: I do have a few other robots in that mod if you want to grab 'em.

Edited March 9, 2016 by Jokerine

[devinpatterson]

However, I love the cowboy motif the most about NV. So I was wonder if there was any possibility of a mod where there are cowboy hat wearing mutants, eyebots or robots?

A few here and there, made these for the sunset sarsaparilla wild west amusement park;

 

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/SSWWbotsg_zps0ee7cc8d.jpg

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/SSWWeyebotsecuritynocolor2_zps4d9e640a.jpg

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/sentry-hat1_zps74f6a070.jpg

 

 

[devinpatterson]

However, I love the cowboy motif the most about NV. So I was wonder if there was any possibility of a mod where there are cowboy hat wearing mutants, eyebots or robots? Or all of the above. I mean a mutant with a bowler hat, small round glasses and a stash just sounds wonderful.

As does an eyebot with a cowboy hat. I dont know if its a lot to ask, but I would just love to walk around the wasteland with a bunch of cowboys of different races, and have like an old west feeling to it.

So what I'd look at first, on this pitch, is some plausible back story to their existence. I don't think you'd have to worry too much about intelligent SMs, they could pay a tailor to make stuff for them and they (as well as their dimmer cousins) can probably make crude stuff of their own.

 

But for bots I'd look for special editions from companies that would have a western theme. That could be anything from selling a western type product to a tour guide, to a eclectic mad sicentist type that just put together (or altered) a very distinctive bot.

 

If there are some good ideas pitched back and forth I'd be willing to work on meshes, dialog etc.

 

Also as a side note, it's possible to have various western weapons as well as attire for many of the bots (it's a bit of a hack, but works pretty well).

 

Here is one to start the ball rolling;

 

A eyebot pony express tour guide. S/He used to do a tour of the Pony Express National Historic Trail for small groups. S/He would have the iconic hat and badge, possibly the red kerchief etc, a high rate of speed and a manicy behavior that would do a meth head proud. S/He could also use a personality template (much like the Button Gwinnett or Thomas Jefferson templates in teh National Archives of the capital city) to provide a historical character from the past.

[theDemonJackal]

I have an eyebot with a cowboy hat here if you want to grab the mesh :smile: And for protectrons there's always Primm Slim :wink:

 

EDIT: I do have a few other robots in that mod if you want to grab 'em.

Well Jokerine I must thank you for those meshes, they worked like a charm, in terms of the eyebots. For some odd reason the Mr Gutsy models have their arms all stretched out and the heads tilted back. Just thought I would point it out.

Overall thanks. This is a nice EyeBot cowboy to work with. Its very appreciated,

 

 

However, I love the cowboy motif the most about NV. So I was wonder if there was any possibility of a mod where there are cowboy hat wearing mutants, eyebots or robots?

A few here and there, made these for the sunset sarsaparilla wild west amusement park;

 

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/SSWWbotsg_zps0ee7cc8d.jpg

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/SSWWeyebotsecuritynocolor2_zps4d9e640a.jpg

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/sentry-hat1_zps74f6a070.jpg

 

 

First off, I would love those models you got there, they are amazing. When is the mod coming out? Even if its just the resources (if you dont mind me saying)

 

Second, as for your above comment. The mutant cowboy is something that really should be looked into. I mean from what you see in the wastes there are some Mutants that grappling with identity. And its not hard for one or two to walk by a sunset poster and be like "Hmph Cowboys...." or even to listen to music or stories and think, "I can B share rif" or "I can be native murican" (image of a mutant in a headdress is super appealing to me right now). Mutants seem to pick up identities from either their memories, other people, or the environment they are placed in.

Environment - Fawkes

Other People - Strong

Memories - Lilly

So imagine the choas? Imagine a town plagued by the fight between its mutant cowboy sheriff and the matant bandits (or mutant indians). Be funny/terrifying to live there.

 

If we are now discussing western bot backgrounds, I would say the pony express would be a fun one. But I see its gender defining the characteristic of its personality.

If male: I am imagining a gritty old prospector sounding eyebot (that makes spitting noises now and then but doesnt spit anything. Mostly for aesthetic reason)

If Female: A no nonsense western gal thats plucky and ready to go, despite the fact she is clearly too small to take on the opponents it wants to.

 

Mutant Cowboys

 

 

 

1. If anyone here is as big a western nerd as I am, then you would have heard the Name Rooster Cogburn. Basically the mutant is an angry old bounty hunting mutant that never takes them alive. He also lost an eye to a brawl with a ghoul years ago. He would wear the typical NCR ranger outfit, have an eye patch, (Facial hair not required, but welcome) and simple cowboy hat. Ideally this is what he would look like anyways.

2. Simplistically speaking, looking for a typical ranger coat and hat. I mean its really nothing fancy and probably the most doable.

3. Indian Mutants. Come on who doesnt want to tackle with a guy called Big Chief (doesnt even need a subtitle, but)...Bone Crush. Or Raging Bull. Or Dances with Ya guai. I dont know if its possible but in a perfect world they would have head dresses and maybe dream catchers around their necks. However, as i know very little, I would settle with just retexture of a common mutant with paw prints on his chest and a stioc appearence.

4. Honestly, all I want is a bunch of mutants meshes in different hats. Derby hats, Ten gallon hats. My first comment about the mutant with specs and a derby hat is just an absolute lovely image in my mind.

 

 

 

Cowboy Robots

 

 

 

Primm Slimm/Victor are cool and all but what about a sentry bot who wants to be the greatest robot gunslinger since Billy the Kid. Or a Mister Handy bot who "Just wants her girls to be safe, while running a respectable brothel".The Sentry bot, having a pistol holster (unneccessarly) and a cowboy hat on. The MIster Handy having a flower on its head. Even some robots could be unwillingly reprogrammed into becoming cowboy robots. Like Cerberus in Underworld. Giving out on the side as they spouted cowboy talk

"Boy Howdy city slicker, you must be plum exhuasted from your trip (buzzing and accent changes to british) If you have any sympathy what so ever you will put me out of my misery!(Buzzing returns to normal) Sorry about all that crazy talk. DOnt know what came over me"

 

 

I realise many are jumping ship to Fallout 4 modding, but honestly I would just be happy to get some cowboy mutant and robot models before that happens.

[devinpatterson]

When is the mod coming out? Even if its just the resources (if you dont mind me saying)

Unfortunately I'm not too sure, it has a lot of assets finished.....but it's a very large scale project. A part of the mod does focus on revamping the sunset sarsaparilla headquarters and that could be done much sooner. I can also throw some sunset bots (that have lost their connection to teh sunset mainframe and are wandering) in the wasteland.

 

And its not hard for one or two to walk by a sunset poster and be like "Hmph Cowboys...." or even to listen to music or stories and think, "I can B share rif" or "I can be native murican"

My understanding is that west coast mutants can have quite a range, in regard to intellect. And like you, I could see the rather dim witted ones becoming fascinated with the old west (or a hollywood version of it) from all kinds of sources (holotapes, kids books, posters, tall tales from a traveling merchant, songs/music etc etc).

 

It might be interesting if there was a drive in theater with a functioning projector (and imprisoned human projectionist) that a group of super mutants took up residence in. It might be fun to have them lounging on cars and watching westerns, maybe forming a gang like the "Cowboys" from the movie tombstone. A group like that could also have other genres they might become enamored of, as fallout has a fair amount of iconic heroes and stories (captain cosmos, grognak the barbarian, the silver shroud etc etc).

 

Lots of possibilities....

 

I'm not sure that's as likely with the smarter SMs, but maybe they would have some similar way of dressing to signify a group unity/identification (ie a gang, or tribe), or maybe there might just be SM individuals that would like a nice suit to wear, just like when they were human.

 

For either type (smart and not so bright) I think all we'd need is a tailor. That could be a mr handy seamstress, a friendly trader/tinker/tailor type, a imprisoned needleworker etc. So not too hard to swing.

 

Also the NCR allows super mutant citizens, so there may be some SMs that have taken advantage of the republics resources for clothing, weapons and armor.

 

Long story short, like you, I think we can have a wide range of SM clothing with a plausible back story. Everything from costumes to civilized old world threads could be on the table.

 

Re: the models themselves, they are a bit time consuming because I start with human clothing, but they have to be shaped to preserve the hulking lines of the super mutants. However just about any outfit we have for peeps can probably be made into a SM analog. Lets see if we can figure out what models will give us the most bang for the buck and I will try to develop them.

 

 

If we are now discussing western bot backgrounds, I would say the pony express would be a fun one. But I see its gender defining the characteristic of its personality.

If male: I am imagining a gritty old prospector sounding eyebot (that makes spitting noises now and then but doesnt spit anything. Mostly for aesthetic reason)

If Female: A no nonsense western gal thats plucky and ready to go, despite the fact she is clearly too small to take on the opponents it wants to.

I think we would be better off making those separate bots rather than the pony express bot. The pony express and the prospector are very different western archetypes.

 

For the prospector all you need is good back story. He could be a tour guide for a historical mine (thus the personality matrix/template). He could be a company bot for mining corp and maybe some of the employees thought it was funny to have this grizzled old personality programmed into it's memory banks. Or you may have a better one in mind.

 

For the female I have a gunslinger eyebot named K8-E ("Katey") based loosely on the Annie Oakley type. I even have several lines for her, as I'm aiming for a companion. I'll try to dig up some of her notes.

 

Ran out of time, but I'll try and chime in on your other ideas (Mutant Cowboys & Cowboy Robots) soon.

[theDemonJackal]

I look forward to it

[devinpatterson]

I was thinking there are two other categories of SM weirdness that could apply here.

 

The first would be human attire stretched, mangled and otherwise mutilated to fit a super mutants frame. This would be for the dimmer super mutants that couldn't buy, trade or force someone to make proper sized clothes. For something like a hat that's pretty easy, and it's comically small size on the super mutants is a plus. For the clothing, I honestly don't know how do-able that is until I try some models in blender, but it seems like important assets to develop if possible. I think something like a suit or shirt might be worn like a very tight vest. Pants might just cover a little more than high thigh level and be split in various locations, etc. I believe that the SMs fine motor skills are very poor, but I think they could still sew together separate outfits of clothes to make a piece-mill whole.

 

The second, pertains to the nightkin and their mental illness. We know they are prone to various pathologies including psychosis. We've been discussing the SMs emulating archetypes like cowboys or Indians, or specific figures (big iron, the arizona ranger). But with the nightkin I think it could go a step further, where they may actually believe they are those characters, singly or as a group psychosis. It's something we should probably use more sparingly, but it allows a even deeper character immersion (frighteningly so).

 

 

 

Rooster Cogburn. Basically the mutant is an angry old bounty hunting mutant that never takes them alive.

I don't see why not, the wiki lists Marcus as sheriff of Broken Hills. I think in teh wasteland it would be tough to get contracts, but if Rooster worked with the NCR (and he can be a citizen) then I imagine he would have steady work with lots of bounties.

 

Indian Mutants. Come on who doesnt want to tackle with a guy called Big Chief (doesnt even need a subtitle, but)...Bone Crush. Or Raging Bull. Or Dances with Ya guai. I dont know if its possible but in a perfect world they would have head dresses and maybe dream catchers around their necks.

I think we should probably brainstorm some plausible explanations for their existence if possible. Like maybe they have raided a movie studio that has indian costumes (resulting in absurdly small head dresses and such). Or perhaps you have an idea that might make more sense.

 

 

If we can't come up with anything, we could still have Indian like tribals using wasteland items and wasteland critter parts. I.e. we try to co-opt the look and feel of Indians with existing apocalyptic assets. Sort of a parallel cultural evolution. I did something similar with some semi intelligent clan of deathclaws to give them a sort of tribal (African head hunter theme) feel or flavor but using wasteland junk, pic;

 

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/FONV%20Mods-works%20in%20progress/wendigo_zps1ie3uagl.jpg

 

 

 

Honestly, all I want is a bunch of mutants meshes in different hats. Derby hats, Ten gallon hats. My first comment about the mutant with specs and a derby hat is just an absolute lovely image in my mind.

Yeah I'd like to do that too. I'd like a SM mutant mayor dressed like the mayor clayton from rage, pic;

 

 

 

http://galyonkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/rage_mayor.jpg

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind a little town of semi-civilized SMs like broken hills (but with a more western theme?).

 

I'm a little short on time, but I'll try to contribute some more re: your "Cowboy Robots" post soon.

[theDemonJackal]

Indian mutants can have a similar backstory to any of the cowboy mutants. Like a whole settlement of mutants based themselves off the wild west, but half wanted to be like the cowboys and the other half wanted to be like the indians. And thus, Indian mutants were made. They rejected the progress that the other mutants wanted to have, and decided to live off the land and become one with the earth they would one day join.

[devinpatterson]

Indian mutants can have a similar backstory to any of the cowboy mutants.

I don't think that would be a very convincing origin story if we are talking about native americans.....whether historically or as portrayed in the hollywood tradition. With the western/cowboy theme it's pretty easy as many of the humans the SMs see are wearing pioneer like garb (dusters, cowboy hats, cattleman hats, Brahmin-skin outfit, prospector outfit), there are western songs on the radio, there are many posters and billboards of western characters, etc.

 

None of that exists in NV for historical Native Americans (or at least very few, as I don't recall any). So other than old world historic media (books or movies), I don't think they would have *any* exposure to them, and thus less of a chance of even being on the SM's radar, much less popular with them.

 

They rejected the progress that the other mutants wanted to have, and decided to live off the land and become one with the earth they would one day join.

Tribals on the other hand could certainly develop, just like different human cultures do (for instance the tribals in HH). And some aspects of that culture could reflect the belief your describing above, re: the spirituality of nature.

 

Like a whole settlement of mutants based themselves off the wild west, but half wanted to be like the cowboys and the other half wanted to be like the indians. And thus, Indian mutants were made.

Long story short, there is a lot of craziness in the fallout world, but I think we should try to echo and when possible reinforce lore. Making a cowboy and indian SM scenario just for the sake of having it won't be as satisfying as digging a little deeper to see how the game world may more realistically shape the super mutants choices.

 

Unless of course you have an idea or plot device that would be really compelling. The only thing I could think of that would even approach a lore friendly pitch would be holotapes/movies that enamored the more dim witted brethren (the dumb ones probably aren't big readers of history). Possibly raiding a movie studio or a museum.

 

But I don't really feel like those would be a strong enough plot to motivate me......because making original native american garb, while fun, would be a lot more work than using existing assets to create tribal attire and gear. The tribal direction, while realistic in the setting of teh game world, probably won't be as iconic as what you have in mind. They will look more like the HH tribals than the hollywood indians of the old world.

 

IMHO