The pledge of allegiance

[Aurielius]

One of the issues I have with the pledge of allegiance, is that its a PLEDGE.You are practically promising allegiance to a country that you may or may not know about yet.

I have no issue with patriotism of course, I just want to make sure people have good reasons to be patriots.

 

Pledge is a promise , anyone who stayed awake in English class knows that. As for line two ...well you could have fooled everyone who has ever had the dubious pleasure of reading your many posts about the country that you "owe nothing to" because you didn't "ask to be born here" The concept of a posting history seems to still elude you, you have a body of evidence in print which belies that statement. Unfortunately I don't think you know what the term really means (though I am sure you know the definition) , if the concept of patriotism bit you in the ass I doubt you would recognize the feeling. I await with wry languor the certainty of your denial in the face of evidence to the contrary.

[marharth]

One of the issues I have with the pledge of allegiance, is that its a PLEDGE.You are practically promising allegiance to a country that you may or may not know about yet.

I have no issue with patriotism of course, I just want to make sure people have good reasons to be patriots.

 

Pledge is a promise , anyone who stayed awake in English class knows that. As for line two ...well you could have fooled everyone who has ever had the dubious pleasure of reading your many posts about the country that you "owe nothing to" because you didn't "ask to be born here" The concept of a posting history seems to still elude you, you have a body of evidence in print which belies that statement. Unfortunately I don't think you know what the term really means (though I am sure you know the definition) , if the concept of patriotism bit you in the ass I doubt you would recognize the feeling. I await with wry languor the certainty of your denial in the face of evidence to the contrary.

I never said I owe nothing to my country, I said I don't think anyone should be forced to do something for there country. You kept thinking that because you felt like thinking that. I said at least five times that I would be happy to help out the country, but that it should not be forced.

 

Can you find the quote I wrote that says I hate the country, or that I owe nothing to it?

 

Patriotism is a good thing if you have a reason to be a patriot. In the countries current state it doesn't seem like such a smart idea love it.

 

Of course you will continue to say that I hate the country and I don't want to contribute anything since that's what you seem to think.

 

Reread my post, did you somehow miss the part were I said a pledge is a promise or did you just skip right to making a rude reply?

 

I still find it a bit sad you can't be the slightest bit respectful in any of your reply's to me, it is still not helping your point.

[csgators]

One of the issues I have with the pledge of allegiance, is that its a PLEDGE.You are practically promising allegiance to a country that you may or may not know about yet.

I have no issue with patriotism of course, I just want to make sure people have good reasons to be patriots.

 

Pledge is a promise , anyone who stayed awake in English class knows that. As for line two ...well you could have fooled everyone who has ever had the dubious pleasure of reading your many posts about the country that you "owe nothing to" because you didn't "ask to be born here" The concept of a posting history seems to still elude you, you have a body of evidence in print which belies that statement. Unfortunately I don't think you know what the term really means (though I am sure you know the definition) , if the concept of patriotism bit you in the ass I doubt you would recognize the feeling. I await with wry languor the certainty of your denial in the face of evidence to the contrary.

I never said I owe nothing to my country, I said I don't think anyone should be forced to do something for there country. You kept thinking that because you felt like thinking that. I said at least five times that I would be happy to help out the country, but that it should not be forced.

 

Can you find the quote I wrote that says I hate the country, or that I owe nothing to it?

 

Patriotism is a good thing if you have a reason to be a patriot. In the countries current state it doesn't seem like such a smart idea love it.

 

Of course you will continue to say that I hate the country and I don't want to contribute anything since that's what you seem to think.

 

Reread my post, did you somehow miss the part were I said a pledge is a promise or did you just skip right to making a rude reply?

 

I still find it a bit sad you can't be the slightest bit respectful in any of your reply's to me, it is still not helping your point.

 

I would like you to name a country you would rather fight for. I admit I can get a bit depressed about the state of our nation but I cannot point to a single one I would rather live in or die for. If you can't make a simple pledge of allegiance to the Republic and the flag of the USA you really need to find a place you are comfortable doing so. EVERY nation that you move to will require a similar oath and I would like to point out that our pledge doesn't require you to pledge to the President or to Congress but to the Republic. I love the Republic enough I will fight anyone to preserve it, that includes the current occupants of that government.

 

Hello to any government agents reading this thread, remember your oath please. :)

[marharth]

One of the issues I have with the pledge of allegiance, is that its a PLEDGE.You are practically promising allegiance to a country that you may or may not know about yet.

I have no issue with patriotism of course, I just want to make sure people have good reasons to be patriots.

 

Pledge is a promise , anyone who stayed awake in English class knows that. As for line two ...well you could have fooled everyone who has ever had the dubious pleasure of reading your many posts about the country that you "owe nothing to" because you didn't "ask to be born here" The concept of a posting history seems to still elude you, you have a body of evidence in print which belies that statement. Unfortunately I don't think you know what the term really means (though I am sure you know the definition) , if the concept of patriotism bit you in the ass I doubt you would recognize the feeling. I await with wry languor the certainty of your denial in the face of evidence to the contrary.

I never said I owe nothing to my country, I said I don't think anyone should be forced to do something for there country. You kept thinking that because you felt like thinking that. I said at least five times that I would be happy to help out the country, but that it should not be forced.

 

Can you find the quote I wrote that says I hate the country, or that I owe nothing to it?

 

Patriotism is a good thing if you have a reason to be a patriot. In the countries current state it doesn't seem like such a smart idea love it.

 

Of course you will continue to say that I hate the country and I don't want to contribute anything since that's what you seem to think.

 

Reread my post, did you somehow miss the part were I said a pledge is a promise or did you just skip right to making a rude reply?

 

I still find it a bit sad you can't be the slightest bit respectful in any of your reply's to me, it is still not helping your point.

 

I would like you to name a country you would rather fight for. I admit I can get a bit depressed about the state of our nation but I cannot point to a single one I would rather live in or die for. If you can't make a simple pledge of allegiance to the Republic and the flag of the USA you really need to find a place you are comfortable doing so. EVERY nation that you move to will require a similar oath and I would like to point out that our pledge doesn't require you to pledge to the President or to Congress but to the Republic. I love the Republic enough I will fight anyone to preserve it, that includes the current occupants of that government.

 

Hello to any government agents reading this thread, remember your oath please. :)

I wouldn't want to fight for any country unless there is a valid reason to do so.

 

If there was a invasion, or a clear threat, I would certainly help get rid of it.

 

My issue with the pledge of allegiance is that it is said at a very young age, before people could have a chance to learn about the country.

[csgators]

I wouldn't want to fight for any country unless there is a valid reason to do so.

 

We elect leaders to decide what is valid and what is not. You might be singing a different tune if you were on the wrong end of an invasion and all our allies decided we just are a valid reason to go to war.

[HeyYou]

Sure, we have elected leaders that decide when we send in the military.... but, thinking that they will only do so when there is a 'valid' reason is a pipe dream. Iraq is a beautiful example. The reasons that were fed to the people for the war were all lies. There were no WMD's, Saddam was not pursuing them at all. He was no threat, was completely contained. There are more terrorists in Iraq NOW, than there were before we invaded. All in all, we threw away trillions of dollars, and countless lives, to end up worse off than we were before. World opinion of us tanked, the entire muslim world got an even dimmer view of us.

 

I support our troops, however, I do NOT support our government. They have proven to be just as corrupt, greedy, and dishonest, as any third-world dictator.

[marharth]

Sure, we have elected leaders that decide when we send in the military.... but, thinking that they will only do so when there is a 'valid' reason is a pipe dream. Iraq is a beautiful example. The reasons that were fed to the people for the war were all lies. There were no WMD's, Saddam was not pursuing them at all. He was no threat, was completely contained. There are more terrorists in Iraq NOW, than there were before we invaded. All in all, we threw away trillions of dollars, and countless lives, to end up worse off than we were before. World opinion of us tanked, the entire muslim world got an even dimmer view of us.

 

I support our troops, however, I do NOT support our government. They have proven to be just as corrupt, greedy, and dishonest, as any third-world dictator.

This is my point.

 

I will gladly fight for a just reason, but there isn't any group I know of currently fighting for just reasons.

[csgators]

Sure, we have elected leaders that decide when we send in the military.... but, thinking that they will only do so when there is a 'valid' reason is a pipe dream. Iraq is a beautiful example. The reasons that were fed to the people for the war were all lies. There were no WMD's, Saddam was not pursuing them at all. He was no threat, was completely contained. There are more terrorists in Iraq NOW, than there were before we invaded. All in all, we threw away trillions of dollars, and countless lives, to end up worse off than we were before. World opinion of us tanked, the entire muslim world got an even dimmer view of us.

 

I support our troops, however, I do NOT support our government. They have proven to be just as corrupt, greedy, and dishonest, as any third-world dictator.

 

I agree to a point, the fact is if the government is sending troops around the world for no good reason we should remove that government.

 

Vote Ron Paul. :biggrin:

[HeyYou]

Sure, we have elected leaders that decide when we send in the military.... but, thinking that they will only do so when there is a 'valid' reason is a pipe dream. Iraq is a beautiful example. The reasons that were fed to the people for the war were all lies. There were no WMD's, Saddam was not pursuing them at all. He was no threat, was completely contained. There are more terrorists in Iraq NOW, than there were before we invaded. All in all, we threw away trillions of dollars, and countless lives, to end up worse off than we were before. World opinion of us tanked, the entire muslim world got an even dimmer view of us.

 

I support our troops, however, I do NOT support our government. They have proven to be just as corrupt, greedy, and dishonest, as any third-world dictator.

 

I agree to a point, the fact is if the government is sending troops around the world for no good reason we should remove that government.

 

Vote Ron Paul. :biggrin:

 

I don't think Ron Paul is the answer. Of course, I don't think ANY of the current crop of potential candidates is the answer either. :D Including our current president. It is the system that has gone sour. It is a far cry from what the founding fathers had envisioned for us.

[marharth]

Sure, we have elected leaders that decide when we send in the military.... but, thinking that they will only do so when there is a 'valid' reason is a pipe dream. Iraq is a beautiful example. The reasons that were fed to the people for the war were all lies. There were no WMD's, Saddam was not pursuing them at all. He was no threat, was completely contained. There are more terrorists in Iraq NOW, than there were before we invaded. All in all, we threw away trillions of dollars, and countless lives, to end up worse off than we were before. World opinion of us tanked, the entire muslim world got an even dimmer view of us.

 

I support our troops, however, I do NOT support our government. They have proven to be just as corrupt, greedy, and dishonest, as any third-world dictator.

 

I agree to a point, the fact is if the government is sending troops around the world for no good reason we should remove that government.

 

Vote Ron Paul. :biggrin:

 

I don't think Ron Paul is the answer. Of course, I don't think ANY of the current crop of potential candidates is the answer either. :D Including our current president. It is the system that has gone sour. It is a far cry from what the founding fathers had envisioned for us.

As I said before, the source is the corporations buying our representatives. Kind of hard to pass a law to change that.