Anthony Weiner

[ginnyfizz]

Marharth, you surely must remember that Bent Willy was having it away with a White House intern, one Ms Lewinsky? That is as much an abuse of power and as improper as a doctor having a relationship with a patient.

 

And as for Mr Weiner, he is posting pictures of his genitalia all over the internet, some of us have seen the not very pretty sight (let's say I am not impressed, Weener indeed....) and you are certainly not going to get me posting the links here as that's against the rules. He's a ruddy congressman for goodness sake, and he is abusing his power in that he could well be doing this because of who he is, because, as bben46 so rightly puts it, he is a fool and an egomaniac who thinks he is infallible. His behaviour is offensive to his constituents and to his office.

 

You should be glad that in the USA politicians and stars can still get held to account. not to mention ridicule, for such gross behaviour. Over here in the UK we would not be allowed to discuss it - I assume you have heard of super injunctions?

If you don't have a link can you at least tell me where to find it? I searched for a bit and couldn't find anything in relation to him abusing power.

 

You are instantly abusing power for being a high rank and having a affair? Why is that abusing power? The women in Clinton's case agreed to it, and I don't see how that is abuse of power. She chose for herself to do it, its not like he forced her using his power.

 

I don't see how wiener is abusing power either, anyone could go on the internet and send out penis pictures, just because he is in a place of power that means he is abusing it by doing so?

 

Marharth, please listen to what I am saying. It was Bent Willy who took advantage of his office (in every sense). And whether the women consented or not, it is still abuse of power. For example, in the UK, a doctor will be struck off the register for having an affair with a patient even if the patient consented - for the very same reason, abuse of power, abuse of trust, abuse of a respected office. Bent Willy's situation was much the same.

 

You are splitting hairs - having an affair with someone who is not under your authority, whilst it might get you "Bobbitted" by the Mrs, is not an abuse of power. Horizontal lambada with your subordinates is.

 

Mr Weeny's abuse of power is in the sense that he has been arrogant, a fool and a buffoon, probably thinking in his arrogance that he wasn't going to get any flak for his creepy antics, and abusing the trust of the people who voted for him. He really is no better than the flasher in the park with the dirty mac. Although a little cleverer than the guy who flashed me...when I was astride seventeen hands of Irish thoroughbred who could gallop a lot faster than a man with his strides around his ankles could. He landed in a bed of nettles, it would have been funny seeing him explain that in the emergency room... :laugh:

[marharth]

Marharth, you surely must remember that Bent Willy was having it away with a White House intern, one Ms Lewinsky? That is as much an abuse of power and as improper as a doctor having a relationship with a patient.

 

And as for Mr Weiner, he is posting pictures of his genitalia all over the internet, some of us have seen the not very pretty sight (let's say I am not impressed, Weener indeed....) and you are certainly not going to get me posting the links here as that's against the rules. He's a ruddy congressman for goodness sake, and he is abusing his power in that he could well be doing this because of who he is, because, as bben46 so rightly puts it, he is a fool and an egomaniac who thinks he is infallible. His behaviour is offensive to his constituents and to his office.

 

You should be glad that in the USA politicians and stars can still get held to account. not to mention ridicule, for such gross behaviour. Over here in the UK we would not be allowed to discuss it - I assume you have heard of super injunctions?

If you don't have a link can you at least tell me where to find it? I searched for a bit and couldn't find anything in relation to him abusing power.

 

You are instantly abusing power for being a high rank and having a affair? Why is that abusing power? The women in Clinton's case agreed to it, and I don't see how that is abuse of power. She chose for herself to do it, its not like he forced her using his power.

 

I don't see how wiener is abusing power either, anyone could go on the internet and send out penis pictures, just because he is in a place of power that means he is abusing it by doing so?

 

Marharth, please listen to what I am saying. It was Bent Willy who took advantage of his office (in every sense). And whether the women consented or not, it is still abuse of power. For example, in the UK, a doctor will be struck off the register for having an affair with a patient even if the patient consented - for the very same reason, abuse of power, abuse of trust, abuse of a respected office. Bent Willy's situation was much the same.

 

You are splitting hairs - having an affair with someone who is not under your authority, whilst it might get you "Bobbitted" by the Mrs, is not an abuse of power. Horizontal lambada with your subordinates is.

 

Mr Weeny's abuse of power is in the sense that he has been arrogant, a fool and a buffoon, probably thinking in his arrogance that he wasn't going to get any flak for his creepy antics, and abusing the trust of the people who voted for him. He really is no better than the flasher in the park with the dirty mac. Although a little cleverer than the guy who flashed me...when I was astride seventeen hands of Irish thoroughbred who could gallop a lot faster than a man with his strides around his ankles could. He landed in a bed of nettles, it would have been funny seeing him explain that in the emergency room... :laugh:

So why is having a affair with anyone under your authority abuse of power?

 

Abuse of trust is not the abuse of power, its the same thing regardless if your in office or not.

 

Would you rather have murderers or creeps in congress?

[csgators]

No wonder this country is going down the toilet if having an affair with someone you are in a position of authority over is not considered abuse of power anymore.

 

There is a reason a person in the military cannot date a subordinate after all. :wallbash:

Because it would effect decisions in combat...?

 

It has nothing to do with abuse of power.

 

So to get this right...

 

If I was in a position of power, and had a affair, that instantly means I am abusing power? Does that mean that everyone that is under your power can not make their own decisions and are brainwashed by people with power?

 

You really can't be serious. Every company I have worked for bans employees from dating those above or below them.

 

Imagine you co-worker is dating your boss and they get a raise or promotion when you don't? What do you think the odds of the a boss firing the worker under him he is dating if there performance starts to decline? Those are just two very basic reasons it is considered absolutely taboo to date subordinates. The list goes on and on, engage your brain for just a few seconds and you will think of more.

[HeyYou]

If I start dating a gal that works for me, that is NOT abuse of power. If, however, I inform her that her continued employment is contingent on her dating me, THAT IS abuse of power.

[csgators]

If I start dating a gal that works for me, that is NOT abuse of power. If, however, I inform her that her continued employment is contingent on her dating me, THAT IS abuse of power.

 

And how is anyone but those two people going to know if that happened? How is anyone to know why he/she got that last promotion? I have never worked anywhere it was allowed.

 

In the case of former President Clinton, how many internes do you suppose get one on one time alone with the President of the United States, in the Oval Office no less? I am quite sure the requirements for that privileged involved wearing the presidential knee pads.

Edited June 9, 2011 by csgators

[marharth]

If I start dating a gal that works for me, that is NOT abuse of power. If, however, I inform her that her continued employment is contingent on her dating me, THAT IS abuse of power.

This is what I am saying. You tend to do better then me with this kind of stuff, hopefully I can just leave this to you.

[HeyYou]

Is it automatically abuse of power? Well, no. Not really. But, that doesn't necessarily imply its a good idea either. The whole "gives the appearance of" thing really complicates matters. People date subordinates all the time. Some of them because they are forced, others because they think it might get them some advantage, and still others simply because they genuinely LIKE each other. How to tell the difference? That becomes the problem. For the folks that are forced, they always have the option of quitting, or file a complaint, or even filing charges. But, you can bet your bottom dollar that they won't be employed much longer should they do so. And if said person is the sole breadwinner for the family, they are rather stuck... for the 'benefit' seeker.... hey, if you wanna prostitute yourself out, I don't have an issue with it, but, if you get raises/promotions/perks simply because you are sleeping with the boss, forced or no, I am gonna have a conversation with some people. Possibly including my lawyer. If you are dating because you actually WANT to. I don't have a problem with it.

 

And yes, most companies have some policy or other in place, no dating co-workers. Some of them leave it at that, others add the additional condition of "in the same department". Personally, I rarely socialized with the folks from work anyway, when I worked in a corporate environment.... My lifestyle and theirs was just too different. (not to mention my attitude....... I am the LEAST corporate person I know...... :D)

 

Short Version: Dating a subordinate CAN be abuse of power. It does not automatically make it so though.

[ginnyfizz]

 

Abuse of trust is not the abuse of power, its the same thing regardless if your in office or not.

 

Would you rather have murderers or creeps in congress?

 

Abuse of trust IS abuse of power, his lying rather than fronting up is a form of that. And please don't be absurd, how on earth does this arrive at rather having murderers than creeps in congress? I am sure that all Americans would rather have NEITHER in Congress.

[marharth]

 

Abuse of trust is not the abuse of power, its the same thing regardless if your in office or not.

 

Would you rather have murderers or creeps in congress?

 

Abuse of trust IS abuse of power, his lying rather than fronting up is a form of that. And please don't be absurd, how on earth does this arrive at rather having murderers than creeps in congress? I am sure that all Americans would rather have NEITHER in Congress.

I will reply to this then I will likely stop.

 

If he gets out, who do you think will replace him?

 

Almost everyone in congress is pretty much a murderer anyways, they are bought out by corporations and do what their bosses say. In ways, they are no different from hit men. What difference does it make to kick him out?

[HeyYou]

If we booted out all the congress people that were guilty of some flavor of sexual transgression, there wouldn't be anyone left.

 

Same goes for liars.

 

Unfortunately, it is part and parcel of politics. I doubt that will ever change.