Daerk Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Incanus, concerning your above post, starting this thread: Firstly you're trolling an arguement with a moderator. Secondly you're posting biased opinions as fact. A Jew "felon" in one government or religion may be a hero or "saint" in another. Thirdly you are posting comments directed to flame or otherwise disrespect figures of authority on these forums. I won't tolerate it. If you have an issue with someone on these forums, you contact a moderator via PM and humbly and politely request your issue be investigated. If you have an issue with a moderator or group of moderators you contact a moderator who has as of yet been otherwise vacant from the issue. If none are to be found, you contact an administrator. If a moderator locks or deletes one of your posts or threads, you are entitled to request a reason why. Usually the deletion or locking of a post or thread is accompanied with a reason. If you request further details concerning the issue we can deliver. You are *NOT* under *any* circumstances to repost the already locked/deleted thread/post. Doing so undermines the authority system we have placed on these forums, and will not be tolerated. I'll go read your thread(s) now and pass Judgement upon them. -- D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus Posted December 6, 2003 Author Share Posted December 6, 2003 I think it is acceptable for me to draw my own conclusions. I haven't expressed all of that which I know on this particular subject. However, I think that any American should question whether or not our nation can succeed as a democratic republic, and maintain international respect, while there is obvious government favortism towards Israel. That favortism has existed for a long time. So, are we now going to neverending war because we've been attacked by terrorists who hate us, or are we going to neverending war because large numbers of people around the world have decided to respond with violence to our own violence? These are just questions I wish more Americans would ask. My posting was geared more toward thought provocation; thinking is not very common in America these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I am pro Israel. They didn't attack every one the day they moved in, they came and bled for their land, maybe it wasn't theirs for a long long time, but neither was America you don't see us handing it back to the Native Americans? In America a diffrent thing happens when a new group moves in, we merge. It seems to me in the middle east the main effect is to murder. I wont say either side is right or wrong. Is Israel crazy? If they where anything but they wouldn't be here today, they where attacked by just about every other middle eastern nation and they handed them their ass. They are crazy because they feel that funny need to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baphomet Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Just my opinion, but frankly, I'm kinda tired of this kind of thread in general. Hey, if you don't like the food, or if you think the service here sucks, please (PLEASE!)... go eat somewhere else; and let the rest of us enjoy our meal in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojlnir Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 The equation of Israel to the treatment of Native Americans is a good one. It highlights two instances of out right theft and foreign invasion. Not to mention genocide in the case of the Native Americans. Yes thats right, my government followed a policy of genocide and forced relocation that began before its inception. I think Americans should be as ashamed of what was done to Native Americans as Germans have been of what was done to Jews. As for Israel, the issue is more complicated. There are issues of the "promised land" the Diaspora and of course the Holocaust. The campaign to return to the promised land began about 70 years before WW2 and there were many Jews already in "Israel" and the British (sorry guys, but your colonial record isn't too hot either) and French (same story) partitioned the Middle East and lumped groups of people together that hated each other. Hence the root of middle eastern conflict, and on top of that cedeing Palestine to the Jews upon British retreat. It's not all the fault of colonial powers of course, the Israelis have not been the best of neighbors either. Nor have the Arab nations around it for that matter, though I wager you'd be pissed if part of your land was given to someone else by powers beyond your control. I want to make it clear that I am not anit-Jew in any way, shape or form. I think Israel is a legitimate country with every right to exist. I just think they could be better about being good neighbors. As for Native Americans, I feel ashamed for the actions perpetrated by my government. I have lived around and spent time on reservations, including service work through the church I attended when I was younger. Someone is responsible for the cycle of poverty and dispair that rots those communities from the inside out and it's not of their own choosing, I can tell you that for damn sure. I'm as guilty as anyone else of turning a blind eye, but we need to recognize what was done before we can move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albareth Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I am pro Israel. They didn't attack every one the day they moved in, they came and bled for their land, maybe it wasn't theirs for a long long time, but neither was America you don't see us handing it back to the Native Americans? In America a diffrent thing happens when a new group moves in, we merge. It seems to me in the middle east the main effect is to murder. I wont say either side is right or wrong. Is Israel crazy? If they where anything but they wouldn't be here today, they where attacked by just about every other middle eastern nation and they handed them their ass. They are crazy because they feel that funny need to survive. Correct me if wrong here but... as I've been made to understand it, I wouldn't quite call what america does "merging" as much as "splitting", the way people of different origins section out sectors of cities, et cetera. According to what I've learnt and heard a great number of the inhabitants in these sectors don't even speak english or very poor english. Secondly what you say is "Israelis once owned the land like native americans once owned America.", then you say that "You don't see us handing the nation back to the native americans", isn't that precisely the point? Nearly all territories have at some time or another been part of some other nation/community than they are now, doesn't give its former occupants any right to just come generations later and claim it. It's called "invasion", and the way people respond to when it happens is often called "battle", which would explain why Israelis bled for "their land" as you call it (which it is now I agree - but wasn't then). Nobody had a right to just give the jews part of another nation - I am in no way anti-jew (any more than I am anti every other religion - which has nothing to do with anything in this case) and yet I see this. I have no reason to favor one side or another - it's just simple logic that this land was not theirs... I agree about one thing though, it is now, and Israeli is a valid state now, for the same reason America is - they invaded and they won, no matter how unrighteous it was nations have been formed like this through human history all the time - colonization isn't as fun as invasion, after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Secondly what you say is "Israelis once owned the land like native americans once owned America.", then you say that "You don't see us handing the nation back to the native americans", isn't that precisely the point? Nearly all territories have at some time or another been part of some other nation/community than they are now, doesn't give its former occupants any right to just come generations later and claim it. I guess I gave the wrong idea, what I meant was Israel was the invader like American settlers where, I wasn't reffering to the Israelis as natives because they where gone for so long, that would be like saying I'm half german blood so I'm a native of gemany when I've never even been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Corbett Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Pssst, guys, the topic's that way, and you're off it. ;p Look, the Jewish people have suffered SO much throughout their history, to be denied their own state [since every tom-%&$!-and-harry bigot sees them as some cohesive group] is an ultimate insult and slap in the fact. They owned Israel at one point in time, anyway. It's not like the UN can go, wave its magic wand, open TESCS and pop an island out of the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I agree Israel does desreve it's own state. Replying to Lousy anti-free-thought Moderators, I used to think some where unfair but after reading enuff of their post I see that they perserve a good site. If they let people like me do whatever, this would be a total porn site, no just kidding ;) , but from enuff people it may as well would be. I say if you have a problem with a post the moderators locked then you should PM somone but not harrass. When somone is put into a position of authority it is to maintain order, with out order there is no forum for you to complain about the moderators. If the rules arn't to your liking or the way they enforce them then you undermind the one who put them in that position to begin with. Perhaps you could make a better site? A dirty, spamy, trashy, gutter sl*t, site where you can single out people or groups and say they don't belong there I don't want those kind of people bla bla bla. I don't mean to attack you but I think you have come down a little too hard on the moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proxis Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I am sick and tired of people bashing the moderators and Admin!!!!!!! leave the poor bastards be, they have a job to do and they trying there damned hardest to do it! i for one am proud of this site, no, it is not perfect, yes it could be better, but damn it, its the best forum out there :ranting: :ranting: ! the rules are simple. the moderators are harsh. so FAWKING WHAT???!!! if your pissed that a moderator deleted your post, cry me a river, build yourself a bridge, and then get the f*** over it. :angry2: and just to make this not spam, Malchik, i would like to thank you for the excellent job you do, peregrine, Dark0ne, theta, Daerk, switch, you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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