The Origin of Life and the Universe

[Darnoc]

Incanus stated four possibilities. I would make only two: Entity A is either unique or there are an infinite number of possible entities. As Incanus already stated, the uniqueness of Entity A is not possible. The other possible entities are exist as four dimensional entities, not three dimensional entities. That means that every possible entitiy has existed, does exist or will exist somewhere in time and space. There could even be entities which are above space and time, which are more than four-dimensional. A more than four dimensional entity wouldn't be limited by space and time. So you could describe this entity as "god". We don't know anything about more than four dimensional entities, there could also be an infinite number of dimensions. So there is perhaps also an infinite number of "gods". When we assume that there are no more than five dimensions, at least one more than four dimensional entity must exist. But we do not know this for sure, there could be also more than five dimensions so there could be also an infinite number of gods (as said above).

[MDRud216]

If there was an infinate number of dimensions then god might as well be surrounding us, taking up everything but in another dimension.

[Zmid]

Myself, I keep an open mind. There is far too much evidence to dismiss the Big Bang theory, but it is entirely possible that God, or some God-like being, caused the Big Bang (and all the ones before it, if the theory I posted earlier is correct) to happen.

 

Of course, it is also entirely possible it all happened by random chance.

[Darnoc]

I've got to change it a little. There are three different possibilites:

 

a. Entity A is unique

b. There are several entities existing

c. all possible entities do exist

 

a. and b. are not possible, because the probability that either one or some possibilities of an infinite number of possibilities do exist is zero. So this leaves us with c. That means everything is possible. Somewhere there is a universe like Middle Earth, Tamriel, the Forgotten Realms, Narnia etc. everything we can think of (and what we can't think of) does exist somewhere or somewhen. Authors aren't acctually inventing something new they are describing one of those infinite possibilities existing. And also god is therefore existing. But not only the christian god must then exist, but any other god, spirit etc. we can think of. Not only this: It is not possible to say something doesn't exist. Everything does exist. Also an infinite number of dimensions is therefore existing. A god is therefore an infinite-dimensional-entity.

 

Let me put it all together:

 

1. An infinite number of entities does exist (universes, dimensions etc.)

2. Because this number is infinite, everything is existing

3. Therefore god is existing; he is acctually an infinite-dimensional-universal-being

4. Because everything does exist, all gods and other supernatural beings, every fantastic world is existing

5. Everything we can and we can't think of is existing

 

@Peregrine: Your argument that there could also be one entity existing in an infinite number is not true, for the same reasons why Entity A isn't unique and why there aren't only some entities existing: The probability that of an infinite number of possibilietes only one or some possiblities do exist is zero. That means also when this one possibility is existing in an infinite number, those are only copies of each other and there is still only one possibility of the infinite numbers of possibilities existing, which isn't possible.

[punkfiveo]

5. Everything we can and we can't think of is existing

 

Very Interesting point brought up here. This leads to the theory of Schrodinger's (SP?) Cat. Basically if I stuff a cat in a box and leave it there forever, I can assume that the cat exists in two states, dead or alive. If I wish, the cat will remain alive until the time comes when I wish to open the box, or until I wish to believe that it is dead. So in my thoughts, this cat has the ability to exist forever, even though, in all reasoning, the cat is dead.

 

Another point spawning off the last quote...

 

If things we CAN'T think of exist, to what degree do they exist? IMO things that I don't think of don't exist. For example when I think of an elephant-like creature with a large trunk and a purple belly (Let's call it Object A), it exists. Before I thought of it, there was no such thing as Object A.

[Darnoc]

It did exist. Perhaps not in our universe, but certainly somewhere else. What exists doesn't depend on our imagination, everything does exist.

 

This will now sound a little complex, but I'll try to explain:

 

When you sit on your chair which can turn around (I don't know how these chairs are called in English), then you have an infinite possibilites of directions you can turn to. Now you must decide for one direction and of all those infinite possibilities only one is chosen. This is because we are limited by time and space. Imagine yourself a place without time, space or any other limitations. In this place all possibilities do exist. One possibility is our universe. There are an infinite numbers of possibilities and they all exist in this "place" (it isn't really a place, because space doesn't exist there) because there aren't any limitations there. A possibility doesn't exist when I can think of it. When I think of a possibility then I only discover one of those infinite possibilities existing. Do you really think that anything at all depends on our thinking and imagination? We are only another possibility of an infinite number of possibilities. And who knows, perhaps we only exist because someone thought about the possibility of humans existing in this particullary universe...

[Peregrine]

Very Interesting point brought up here. This leads to the theory of Schrodinger's (SP?) Cat. Basically if I stuff a cat in a box and leave it there forever, I can assume that the cat exists in two states, dead or alive. If I wish, the cat will remain alive until the time comes when I wish to open the box, or until I wish to believe that it is dead. So in my thoughts, this cat has the ability to exist forever, even though, in all reasoning, the cat is dead.

 

Partially correct. You put a cat into a box that has a (purely random) 50% chance of killing the cat at any time. Until you observe it, and see if it is dead or not, the cat exists in both states at once. Once you observe it, the states collapse into one reality. But the problem is, the cat is an abstract explanation of the effect. None of it is possible above the atomic level.

 

If things we CAN'T think of exist, to what degree do they exist? IMO things that I don't think of don't exist. For example when I think of an elephant-like creature with a large trunk and a purple belly (Let's call it Object A), it exists. Before I thought of it, there was no such thing as Object A.

 

Wrong. If you imagine something, it does not exist. A thought about it exists in your mind, but nowhere else. Object A does not suddenly appear in reality just because you want it to. And the opposite is true as well. If Object A exists in this world, it existed before you thought of it, and would exist even if you hadn't. You thinking of it does nothing to change its existence/nonexistence.

[Breton Thief Oriana]

Cant you people just accept that life comes from life? therefore, if life came from entity splunge (Or whatever), then entity splunge must be a living being.