MOD Request: Rise of the Aussies

[jimmybulmer12]

I personally am relatively fond of this idea as I was thinking of a similar sort of mod myself. I was actually looking at maps of Australia just before I found this post, while I agree some nations would survive the apocolypse these would of been nations with no diplomatic ties such as Greenland as well as countrys with no tactical position or decent supply of resources. Australia while not in a very tactical position because of its diplomatic involvement with the USA they would of more than likely allied with the US when the great war started firing nuclear arms at countries such as Russia and perhaps China.

 

​Returning to your idea of other nations being much more advance this is very unlikely for a few reasons. The first reason being M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction) which basically is the fact that if a Nuclear war ever was to the start amongst world super powers such as the one in the Fallout universe all major super powers and a lot of the smaller ones would be destroyed. This is because once one nuke goes of they all go off. On top of this even countries that didn't suffer from direct nuclear blasts would become un habitable for a period of time due to the severe radiation levels that would come not to long after the nuclear blasts. Because of the fact radiation spreads If you was to nuke say Germany, UK. and France the majority of nations in Europe would be un-habitable a few days later after the radiation reaches them.

 

However I still like your idea of other nations outside of the USA possibly ones that have recovered or ones such as Greenland that survived and perhaps began scavenging other land masses and countries for resource and became one of the few civilizations to survive well enough as a whole. So if it was to be made into a mod when the GECK is released I feel a few things would be changed. For starts I personally wouldn't have it in the commont wealth simply because this idea has a large potential and should get some form of new landmass for users to experience it on. A personal idea is that perhaps an island such as Cuba is used as before starting a major operation in the US to start getting resources they would set up outposts and come in a much smaller scale. AKA scouting like the BOS did to the common wealth. So perhaps an idea is that you come across a scouting unit from another nation investigating the commonwealth. After killing them (They would be hostile to any presence in the area due to them not being able to determine weather we are internally mutated or something along those lines.) you find a note or instructions / holotape that reveals there instructions to scout out the commonwealth area and report back to a location towards the sea for evac not to long after. Prehaps they was heading back when you find them. Anyway this takes you to the new land if you go to their evac point. Keeping in mind that Greenland wouldnt have suffered from the nuclear war but would of suffered from lack of trading and resources that they would normally import, because of this they would be using pre-war weapons that would of been seen in a modern day military. Armour would be specially customized radiation protective suits or something like that and so on.

 

Personally I think the idea of a nation who wasn't affected by the war its self but more from the collapse of the economy and trading having to scavenge for resources and trying to do a full wipe of the common wealth in order to take everything it has to offer is a great idea. I personally may even work on something along these lines

[flipdark95]

As much as I like the idea of Australia becoming pretty prominent in a post-apocalyptic world, I can safely say that it's more than likely that society would have collapsed and become similar to what is depicted in Mad Max, only without the entire ocean drying up. I can see the bigger state capitals like Sydney being directly nuked, but smaller ones like Melbourne and Adelaide may have avoided direct nuclear strikes. Although a vast majority of defense manufacturing is centered in Adelaide, so we may be a target too.

[Gilibran]

Spain would be flooded by refugees from the other European mainland countries if it managed to escape relativaly unscathed.

 

If there are any parallels with our history, Spain was also run by a a military junta led by Franco. Not the best place to assume they would rise from the ashes after dealing with massive refugee floods.

 

Australia, as an American allie is also a very likely target for China, (Even today relations between Australia and China are tense with China's expansion) so the major Australian cities are likely to be targeted by nukes as well.

 

If any continents escaped relatively safe it has to be Africa and South America where large populations could go on living like not much has happened. Of those 2 South America is most likely to become a major power and new center of the world technologie en science wise.

 

Since we do not know alot about Africa in the fallout universe, it is safe to assume it would be pretty much in the same state as it is today. As for the Middle east, useless with all the oil gone and since nothing ever came from the middle east after the ancient Summerian and Babylonian civilizations, i doubt anything good will emerge after global nuclear war.

 

For the rest isolated areas could very well survive as long as they were already pretty self sufficient. Mongolia, Siberia places like that, question is how advanced were they and did they have any industrial capacities and research facilities before the bombs fell to keep on developing new technologies and truly rebuild. It's hard to start that from scratch if before you were dependent on importing such things especially raw materials when we know scarcity of resources is one of the reasons the poop hit the fan.

 

It's quite hard to come up with a good story what region survived and how they advanced without global trade in knowledge and resources.

[jonathanprice]

I'm guessing the situation in australia is basically mad max. Sure they weren't the target of many nukes, but the climate change still f***ed them up. Dry as balls there. So society collapsed and were reduced to eating maggots out of corpses and old dogfood and sucking moisture from the shady side of camel dung I would think.

 

A mod set in australia would be interesting but honestly mad max already did it. It would be an interesting mod in the availability of guns and such being lower. So being substituted with melee and crossbows etc. But unless you can capture the expanse of the outback and add vehicles to make it more manageable i'm not really sure.

 

America's kind of boring, in that there are more guns and ammo than people and finding some doesn't really give you the same satisfaction as it would in a non-gun crazy nation.

Edited April 6, 2016 by jonathanprice

[PoppaSmirk]

Wow, thanks for all the replies. I'm glad to see that the idea at least provokes some thought. I had a discussion in one of my classes at Uni once about some of the 'misconceptions' of a nuclear war, and the Professor was of the belief that the nuclear winter theory would only hold true for 3-4 years after a massive exchange of atomic weapons from superpower nations. Of course in OUR universe, that would pretty much kill off another 60% of the populace that did survive a nuclear holocaust, but there would still be pockets of people, in rural areas that would manage to survive. Then there would be survivors among the wealthy and those fortunate to be part of that entourage that could get into a bomb shelter(s).

 

I think that the big 'swerve point' in the MOD Idea theory is that the Fallout Universe has some other radical things going on, such as a lot of the populace turning into ghouls when dosed with radiation. That single concept alone changes the dynamics for survival. One of the other posters, TeamBacon brought up some points that made me go search into the Fallout Universe timeline wiki a bit more, just to see if there were some crucial points I missed about other nations being mentioned/involved in the Fallout series. I never finished playing Fallout 1, I got about 3 hours into it and ...well, life happened and I just didn't go back to play it for a long time, then I lost the disk. I got a copy of that game fairly late; i.e. about a year after Fallout 3 was released so I can admit I was not drawn to the game because of its' dated graphics. I never played Fallout 2, but I did play Fallout 3 a lot, and several of it's expansion DLC's...but not the Anchorage expansion. I loved FONV once I got into it, and after getting into MODDED games after receiving a PC copy of Skyrim a couple years back, I even went back and bought the whole FONV franchise with all the DLC so I could enjoy it all with MODS.

 

So yes, I feel a sense of wonder when a MOD can take a game into further stretches of the imagination. It makes the games come alive even more and sends my mind into a G-Force spin of ideas and 'What-Ifs'

 

So, yeah, I do wonder what is happening to the rest of the world...outside of the boundaries of the USA in the Fallout Universe. It's really not so hard to imagine that the "LACK" of any outside contact with people from other nations might very well mean that the North American landmass is ..... in quarantine ...by the rest of the world. Same is probably true of China.

 

I myself wasn't really proposing to go exploring other nations within the scope of the Fallout4 game, but it would be possible to get a glimpse of "how" the rest of the world is faring by having a scouting party orrrrrrrr..... maybe an Expeditionary Force...come calling *grin* I don't really think that its too far-fetched an idea either that there might be some sort of International Auction to sell off parcels of the former United States to whatever other nations might care to spend the funds on it. Our own history shows that nations don't really feel a need to ask permission from the indigenous population before buying the property from another source that claims to have jurisdiction. I think the Louisiana Purchase in North America was a mere $15 million for over 800,000 square MILES of land west of the Mississippi River. I think it tripled the size of the United States at that time. The U.S. bought the land from the French, who had claimed it.... not bought it from the native peoples.

 

So, I would think it interesting to have emissaries of some outside national power, show up on the shores of the Commonwealth and say "HEY!! You guys, you got to get out of our way. We own this land now. So all of you ....shoo, go away....move. Don't make us 'enforce' our Deed of Sale. LOL.

 

Of course a week later those same emissaries might come knocking on the gates of Diamond City, screaming.... "Nobody told us about the Super Mutants...or the Deathclaws !!!! HELPP!!

 

I just think there is a lot of potential in the general idea. :) Plus ----- I have always been totally enamored with my Aussie friends within Real Life, and if anybody thrives after a nuclear holocaust. I would hope it was them ...haha.

[Fenryr3001]

But,like already said,EVERYTHING got nuked.So,for all we know,America might be the best of.

[PoppaSmirk]

But,like already said,EVERYTHING got nuked.So,for all we know,America might be the best of.

Who said that? It's not part of the Fallout Wiki that I could see?

 

We (the players) are never given even an exact accounting of which nations participated in the "Great War", other than the USA and China and also mentioned was the USSR, although who they were targeting isn't totally clear, but there are a few statements that at the time of the breakout of the Great War that the USSR was on favorable terms with the USA. The fall of bombs lasted two hours, and I suspect that the Chinese might have lobbed a few bombs into Europe, and a few towards other democratic nations like Australia, but if Russia was supporting the USA, then most of Chinas bombs would have gone to the USA and to Russia, and almost assuredly a nice handful aimed at Japan as well.

 

But this is from the Fallout Wiki :

 

"" Despite the global destruction caused by the war, many areas remained habitable, with low and tolerable levels of radioactive fallout. The surviving humans in those parts of Earth were able to continue living in the ruins of the pre-War civilization, establishing new communities and even small cities.""

 

So, while I do think the rest of the world was definitely screwed economically, I think that within 10-20 years that other nations that didn't get direct nuclear strikes, would have started to adapt to life more after the dry scorch ended. I think that although set back a lot, that other nations could have advanced and be at least 50 to 75 years more advanced in tech , compared to the level of tech that was in place at the start of the Great War...210 years earlier.

 

So, If I'm running with the idea of the AussieX faction, I'm thinking... hmmm hovercrafts for transport? Combat Armor that also has an energy minor buff from an energy shield ( a Force Field), Flechette Rifles maybe? Just enough to make the BoS drool and say....."We MUST have that too" hahaha

[PoppaSmirk]

Spain would be flooded by refugees from the other European mainland countries if it managed to escape relativaly unscathed.

 

If there are any parallels with our history, Spain was also run by a a military junta led by Franco. Not the best place to assume they would rise from the ashes after dealing with massive refugee floods.

 

Australia, as an American allie is also a very likely target for China, (Even today relations between Australia and China are tense with China's expansion) so the major Australian cities are likely to be targeted by nukes as well.

 

 

For the rest isolated areas could very well survive as long as they were already pretty self sufficient. Mongolia, Siberia places like that, question is how advanced were they and did they have any industrial capacities and research facilities before the bombs fell to keep on developing new technologies and truly rebuild. It's hard to start that from scratch if before you were dependent on importing such things especially raw materials when we know scarcity of resources is one of the reasons the poop hit the fan.

 

It's quite hard to come up with a good story what region survived and how they advanced without global trade in knowledge and resources.

I considered several of your points as well, and that was where the idea of Brasil being another possible 'Rising World Power' after the Great War, came from. Brasil (now in our world) is very invested in alternative sources of energy, being one of the worlds leading research and implementers of bio-fuel alternatives. Brasil is also rather advanced in its tech, but simply not usually a nation categorized as a 'military power'. Lets face it, when you think of Brasil, you usually wind up thinking...'Carnivale", and caramel tanned honeys soaking up the sun in bikinis. Or soccer...lol. Both those things pop into my head when I think of Brasil, but they have a fairly good infrastructure, and they are in the Southern Hemisphere, so they took less radiation effects than some other parts of the world (according to the Fallout wiki). But given 200 years, who knows... maybe the Brasilians DO want to buy a piece of America :)