UK in/out EU?

[sunshinenbrick]

 

Like I said, I am still considering my decision and I am merely trying to follow trains of thought so as I can feel as confident as possible in my decision.

 

This seems an impossibility though because the whole situation seems highly engineered, from both sides of the camp. Whichever way it goes there will be people who see it as a 'win' or a 'lose' and this will cloud judgement and lead to bitterness and wrangling. All the while those who are probably least affected by either decision sulk off and leave us to all pick up the pieces... that is after the possibilities of us destroying everything first.

 

Perhaps it is all too little too late, the pieces look set. The rest of the world is not as big and wide as we may think. In fact it is getting ever smaller and tempers are fraying. Things are splitting at the seams. Both campaigns know this, it was the plan from the very beginning.

 

I can see the pull of the promises, but it is the underlying causes and intentions that I think people need to take some responsibility for and realise the gravity of. Instead of putting pressure and energy into creating something, the last 30 years have been spent pushing a tyrannical agenda so as to try reinstate an empire. We have all been made chumps of.

 

It is important that we question and explore things much deeper than the rhetoric. We need to be making an informed decision and know what, and why, we are doing it. To simply leave (or stay) without doing so is to sit on the sidelines and suffer the unfolding of a tragedy we have helped to write.

 

I don't doubt for a minute however, that it won't be us sitting around on any sidelines in any event... We'll be the ones in the deserts, and on the seas... right up there, at the front.

 

Then don't listen to either camp, do your own research, the information is out there, just be wary of the source.

 

 

Indeed that is why I ended up here... to do some research and find the best sources :wink:

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

Like I said, I am still considering my decision and I am merely trying to follow trains of thought so as I can feel as confident as possible in my decision.

 

This seems an impossibility though because the whole situation seems highly engineered, from both sides of the camp. Whichever way it goes there will be people who see it as a 'win' or a 'lose' and this will cloud judgement and lead to bitterness and wrangling. All the while those who are probably least affected by either decision sulk off and leave us to all pick up the pieces... that is after the possibilities of us destroying everything first.

 

Perhaps it is all too little too late, the pieces look set. The rest of the world is not as big and wide as we may think. In fact it is getting ever smaller and tempers are fraying. Things are splitting at the seams. Both campaigns know this, it was the plan from the very beginning.

 

I can see the pull of the promises, but it is the underlying causes and intentions that I think people need to take some responsibility for and realise the gravity of. Instead of putting pressure and energy into creating something, the last 30 years have been spent pushing a tyrannical agenda so as to try reinstate an empire. We have all been made chumps of.

 

It is important that we question and explore things much deeper than the rhetoric. We need to be making an informed decision and know what, and why, we are doing it. To simply leave (or stay) without doing so is to sit on the sidelines and suffer the unfolding of a tragedy we have helped to write.

 

I don't doubt for a minute however, that it won't be us sitting around on any sidelines in any event... We'll be the ones in the deserts, and on the seas... right up there, at the front.

 

 

Then don't listen to either camp, do your own research, the information is out there, just be wary of the source.

 

Indeed that is why I ended up here... to do some research and find the best sources :wink:

 

So on this very subject, here is a more professional analysis of the the 'numberwang' game.

 

EDIT: Suppose it would be a good idea to actually post a link to the article... :pinch:

[Mirocu]

Out, and that goes for every contry that´s in it. No one should makes laws and regulations that affects people who haven´t even voted them in and can´t vote them out.

 

EU is fascism poorly disguised as a democracy, pure and simple.

[JimboUK]

Out, and that goes for every contry that´s in it. No one should makes laws and regulations that affects people who haven´t even voted them in and can´t vote them out.

 

EU is fascism poorly disguised as a democracy, pure and simple.

 

“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”― Mikhail Gorbachev

[Mirocu]

That was a good quote.

 

 

Once something bad is gone, for the love of [censored], don´t re-create it!

[sunshinenbrick]

So if the EU is a Soviet project then why is the USA so keen to keep it together? And why is Putin supporting a Brexit so openly?

[Mirocu]

 

 

So if the EU is a Soviet project then why is the USA so keen to keep it together? And why is Putin supporting a Brexit so openly?

Who knows? Politics are so infested with opportunists, liars and hidden agendas that one visable event or policy can have tons of hidden motives behind them. Motives that even contradict other motives because of so many top players, with us caught bearing the brunt of the outcome.

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

So if the EU is a Soviet project then why is the USA so keen to keep it together? And why is Putin supporting a Brexit so openly?

Who knows? Politics are so infested with opportunists, liars and hidden agendas that one visable event or policy can have tons of hidden motives behind them. Motives that even contradict other motives because of so many top players, with us caught bearing the brunt of the outcome.

 

 

As the crow flies, eh? :wink:

 

Or is that a raven? I am always making that mistake!

 

This is what scares me to the point of finding it hard to be cynical anymore... Imagine that?! :laugh:

 

But then what of our will to change things? Are we just to lie down like lambs? Must it come to our grizzly demise? Cannot all the people of this world actually wake up from the dream by realising all the same things that we are suggesting, here, right now?

[Mirocu]

Many are lazy and can´t be bothered doing anything else than watching TV, but despite that people are waking up. It is happening and faster and faster so at least we have one positive thing. It may not seem like it but people are. What´s important besides that is to do something, and everyone counts.

 

I have been active regarding the EU gun ban of semiautomatic hunter and sports rifles. They know it doesn´t have the effect of less terrorism, they just want to do what every fascist state has done prior to its full bloom; disarming the people so they can´t resist.

 

 

Oh, and btw, it´s a raven. Maybe ;)

[sunshinenbrick]

Many are lazy and can´t be bothered doing anything else than watching TV, but despite that people are waking up. It is happening and faster and faster so at least we have one positive thing. It may not seem like it but people are. What´s important besides that is to do something, and everyone counts.

 

I have been active regarding the EU gun ban of semiautomatic hunter and sports rifles. They know it doesn´t have the effect of less terrorism, they just want to do what every fascist state has done prior to its full bloom; disarming the people so they can´t resist.

 

 

Oh, and btw, it´s a raven. Maybe :wink:

 

More a computers and communications person myself :smile:

 

I would say the only possibly attractive part of the leave scenario, for me, is a slightly better chance we won't need any guns (or much of anything else for that matter either - including a United Kingdom).

 

We would probably still be selling them to the rest of the world though... with the eventuality of ending up having to use them in the end, and this is the least attractive part of the leave scenario, for me.