CTD Every time I try to enter Bannered Mare - MONSTER load order

[Dressedel]

Cannot find the problem. Also crashes when when entering and leaving some buildings in Whiterun, havent tested any other cities. Just became aware of the issue.

Tried verifying game cache, and uninstalling "Better Inns mod" on steam workshop. I also use mods from the workshop "Better towns and villages:whiterun" etc every city. I also use a ton of mods from Nexus.

I have also ran loot a few mods ago, so please dont tell me to "RUN LOOT" unless you see a problem in my load order after combat evolved. Not that all of those mods were added after I ran loot, that's just where I put the last few mods I added, down there.

I've cleaned with TES5Edit what Loot told me to.

I have TES5edit merged patch WITHOUT leveled lists.

I have Bashed patch with leveled lists.

If you take the time to look at my massive load order, and hopefully provide me with what you think may be the problem that would be amazing.

I have memory blocks in place, so don't need SSME downloaded.

Thank you.

Mod Load Order List:

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unoffical Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Hearthfires.esm

Wyrmstooth.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

Campfire.esm

RSkyrimChildren.esm

Jswords.esm

COT.esm

COT dawnguardpatch.esp

COT dragonbornpatch.esp

ExpandedSnowSystems-COT.esp

Supreme Storms- Cot Version.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch.esp

(all CoT patch moduals)

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

ELFX - Hardcore.esp

spooky.esp

VioLens.esp

Brawl Bugs CE.esp

realisticpiercingarrows.esp

SkyUI.esp

Whistle.esp

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

Better Embers.esp

Faster vanilla horses.esp

loud waterfalls.esp

deathwing inspired alduin reloaded.esp

better_torches.esp

wetandcold.esp

FNIS.esp

dD realistic ragdoll force.esp

XPMSE.esp

Chesko WearableLantern.esp

thieves guild requirements.esp

RSChildren complete.esp

RSchildren PatchUSKP.esp

iHud.esp

Esfcompanions.esp

Beards.esp

PP_WindcallerPass.esp

AMatterOfTime.esp

PP_ogmundstomb.esp

Dual Sheath Redux.esp

SkyRe_Races.esp

SkyRe_standingstones.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Realshelter.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

SoS - Civilization.esp

Forgotten Dungeons.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

book_seller.esp

SFO Expanded Diversity.esp

Hebrock_Der Schatten von Meresis - EV.esp

Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

Ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

bettermorthal.esp

theaviary.esp

inconsequential NPCs.esp

tavewindhelm.esp

tavesolitude.esp

heimfeigr.esp

adalmatar.esp

thefrontier.esp

quest_thebiggertheyare.esp

Riversidelodge.esp

fallentreebridges.esp

UniqueBorderGates-all.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

new ravenrock.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

Immersive Patrols II.esp

quest_seaofghosts.esp

KRUZIIK.esp

WayshrinesIFT.esp

betterdawnstar.esp

bettermarkarthexterieur.esp

Frostfall.esp

tos_granitehall.esp

dungeonquestawareness.esp

harvestoverhaulcreatures.esp

realisticneedsanddiseases.esp

harvestoverhaulcreatures_rnd_animal_loot_all_DLC.esp

RND_hearthfires-patch.esp

thesnakepit.esp

height adjusted races.esp

rschildren_patchheightadjustedraces.esp

provincial courier service.esp

quest_sorcery.esp

skyrim flora overhaul.esp

tavevillages.esp

whiteruninenhanced.esp

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp

riverwoodenhancedplugin.esp

auto unequip ammo.esp

skyfalls + skysmills + DG + DB.esp

skyfalls + skymills wyrmstooth.esp

betterwinterhold.esp

openfaceguardhelmets.esp

purewaters.esp

unique grasses.esp

sos the wild patch cot.esp

3DNPC.esp

skyrim immersive creatures.esp

skyrim immersive creatures - dlc2.esp

waf_ccf_sic patch.esp

RSPatch.esp

SoS - civilization-patchcot.esp

darkened.esp

raven witch armor.esp

whiterunexeenhanced.esp

hothtrooper44_armorcompilation.esp

hothtrooper44_armor ecksstra.esp

immersive weapons.esp

WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWEapons_PAtch.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

(RND Patches)

The paarthumax dilemma.esp

taveriften.esp

extended encounters.esp

tavefalkreath.esp

enhancedhighhrothgarbymat.esp

moreshipwrecksV1_3.esp

Ace Realistic Fighting.esp

PerkusMaximus_Master.esp

PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp

Perkus Maximus Mage.esp

Perkus Maximus Thief.esp

PerkusMaximus Warrior.esp

Deadlycombat.esp

Combat Evolved.esp

Apoc the spell package.esp

Apoc perMa compatibility patch.esp

Alternate start-live another life.esp

SimplyKnock.esp

Helsmyrr.esp

Blowing in the wind.esp

Immersive sounds - compendium.esp

ISC perMA compatibility patch.esp

dD Enhanced Blood Main.esp

(dD Enhanced blood patches)

Hothfollower.esp

HothFollower UFO Patch.esp

Harvest Overhaul.esp

Dual wield parrying_skse.esp

RGMSAlchemistsCompendium.esp

EnchantedArsenal.esp

SDO Full-LOD Giant Campfires.esp

SDO Full-LOD The morthal swamp complete.esp

TKDodge.esp

SDO Full-LOD Whiterun trundra creeks.esp

Vivid Landscapes.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

PerMaDefluffedPerkDescriptions.esp

Killing Traps.esp

Dart Trap harder.esp

JSwords Load Screen.esp

Saturation boost.esp

Bounty gold.esp

PerMa USKP master patch.esp

Pre PaMa SiC patch.esp

perkusmaximus simply knock.esp

tradebarter.esp

TES5EditMerged.esp

Bashed Patch 0.esp

Wyrmstooth perma patch.esp

ASIS Dependency.esp

ASIS.esp

PatchusMaximus.esp

Dual sheath redux patch.esp

Deadlycombat_asis_patch.esp

Edited April 14, 2016 by Dressedel

[NexusComa]

Why do players think someone can look at their load order and tell them whats wrong.

Unless it's an obvious thing, it's not like we are going to recreate the load to debug it.

(ok ... I guess that's why)

 

Same old advice ...

 

 

 

LOOT will not automatically make everything ok ... It will only resolve load order issues.

Some mods conflict with each other and will never work in the same load without an instant or delayed CTD.

There is no way to know what mods are going to be in conflict - other than a painstakingly one by test by one by test installation approach.

Things to keep in mind:

You are using mods put together by amateurs ... there are bound to be problems and this will increase exponentially by the number of mods added.
(programs like TES5Edit are very helpful in spotting some of these problems and the Creation Kit itself)

Just because a mod is working doesn't always mean it's working correctly or is using resources correctly.
(many mods are based off "hacks" or indiscriminately or unknowingly use resources that later conflict with the game or a mod added later)

Many mods over-wright custom and/or game resources that may end up becoming a problem sooner or later.
(I install a custom body mod then remove it ... it over-wrights default files when removed later break the game.)
(one mod installs custom something - mesh, textures, scripts ... an new mod as it installs over-wrights some of them )

As you see there are many things that can go wrong here ... The painstakingly one by test by one by test installation approach
is really your only hope and even then you really have to keep your eyes open for errors.

It's like building a house of cards

 

 

 

In your case you're saying - "I try to enter the Bannered Mare" - this CTD is sometimes caused by to many followers spawning in the same cell ...

Edited April 14, 2016 by NexusComa

[Dressedel]

Why do players think someone can look at their load order and tell them whats wrong.

Unless it's an obvious thing, it's not like we are going to recreate the load to debug it.

(ok ... I guess that's why)

 

Same old advice ...

 

 

 

LOOT will not automatically make everything ok ... It will only resolve load order issues.

Some mods conflict with each other and will never work in the same load without an instant or delayed CTD.

There is no way to know what mods are going to be in conflict - other than a painstakingly one by test by one by test installation approach.

 

Things to keep in mind:

 

You are using mods put together by amateurs ... there are bound to be problems and this will increase exponentially by the number of mods added.

(programs like TES5Edit are very helpful in spotting some of these problems and the Creation Kit itself)

 

Just because a mod is working doesn't always mean it's working correctly or is using resources correctly.

(many mods are based off "hacks" or indiscriminately or unknowingly use resources that later conflict with the game or a mod added later)

 

Many mods over-wright custom and/or game resources that may end up becoming a problem sooner or later.

(I install a custom body mod then remove it ... it over-wrights default files when removed later break the game.)

(one mod installs custom something - mesh, textures, scripts ... an new mod as it installs over-wrights some of them )

 

As you see there are many things that can go wrong here ... The painstakingly one by test by one by test installation approach

is really your only hope and even then you really have to keep your eyes open for errors.

 

It's like building a house of cards

 

 

 

In your case you're saying - "I try to enter the Bannered Mare" - this CTD is sometimes caused by to many followers spawning in the same cell ...

I posted my load order because it seems that every time someone has an issue, someone asks them to post their load order. Not because I expected someone to recreate it. But thanks for your reply.

 

I have inconquensial NPCS and interesting NPCs, both that I have had on before I reinstalled mods and added new ones alittle while back, inwhich neither caused me to instantly CTD when trying to COC or enter Bannered Mare.

I also sometimes crash leaving or entering other buildings in whiterun, actually..

 

 

Also, as to your "you're using mods made by amatuers" comment, 85% of the mods I use have thousands of endorsments and tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of downloads, and you can find alot of them on the most endorsed mods of all time. I tend to use the more popular mods in those catagories. That comment is..... wtf?

 

But thanks for your reply.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Dressedel

[NexusComa]

Amateur

am·a·teur

ˈamədər,ˈaməˌtər,ˈaməCHər/

noun

plural noun: amateurs

a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid basis.

synonyms: nonprofessional, nonspecialist, layman, layperson;

( 1 million endorsements wouldn't change that ... also every mod maker is at his own level and you have mods made by many mod makers ... it only stands to reason there will be problems)

[iXenite]

First things first, I notice you have the "Unofficial Skyrim Patch", but are missing the other patches.

 

I recommend either getting the other individual patches or getting the new "Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch".

 

Other Unofficial Skyrim Patches:

 

 

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23491

 

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25127

 

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31083/

 

 

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71214/?

 

If you continue to use the standard Unofficial Skyrim Patch - get the other patches and follow this general load order at all costs:

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Hearthfires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
[Your other ESM files]
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
[The rest of your mods]

 

 

If you are going to use the Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch then follow this general load order at all costs (after removing the original Unofficial Skyrim Patch):

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
Hearthfires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
[Your other ESM files]
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
[The rest of your mods]

 

 

Now, to the next thing that needs to be sorted:

 

LOOT should always be run after you install mods, no questions asked. Unless you are capable of fixing the problem yourself, always run LOOT.

 

I also notice you have a bashed patch. If you are going to use a bashed patch, there are two minimum requirement rules that must be followed at all costs.

 

1. Always update the patch after every mod installation, and every mod un-installation. Period.

 

2. The bashed patch always goes at the bottom of your load order.

[NexusComa]

I'm not sure how everyone else creates their load order file.

This is how I do it and it works great:

 

(make sure your folders are set to see hidden files)

#1 go to C:\Users\YOUR_USER_NAME\AppData\Local\Skyrim

and delete the 2 files loadorder.txt and plugins.txt.

#2 run LOOT and apply

#3 manually copy and paste everything but the Skyrim.esm into the plugins.txt file from the loadorder.txt file . <- Highlight everything but the Skyrim.esm Ctrl+C to copy Ctrl+V to paste

#4 run LOOT and apply

#5 manually copy and paste everything but the Skyrim.esm into the plugins.txt file from the loadorder.txt file. <- not sure if this step is needed but i do it anyways.

 

LOOT will create everything from scratch and it will be perfect it will place all the .esm, .esp and patch files in the correct order.

If you try to "Update" your load order LOOT tends to stick with what it had adding the new to the end (not all mods will do this some have information on mod to mod load order)

 

But when you start from scratch it always gets it right. :smile:

 

 

Also on my 1st post I did say ... "Unless it's an obvious thing" (ok ... I guess that's why) ... pardon me for type thinking out loud ... :P

Edited April 15, 2016 by NexusComa

[Demonikone]

First things first, I notice you have the "Unofficial Skyrim Patch", but are missing the other patches.

 

I recommend either getting the other individual patches or getting the new "Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch".

 

Other Unofficial Skyrim Patches:

 

 

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23491

 

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25127

 

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31083/

 

 

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71214/?

 

If you continue to use the standard Unofficial Skyrim Patch - get the other patches and follow this general load order at all costs:

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

Hearthfires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

[Your other ESM files]

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

[The rest of your mods]

 

 

If you are going to use the Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch then follow this general load order at all costs (after removing the original Unofficial Skyrim Patch):

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

Hearthfires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

[Your other ESM files]

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

[The rest of your mods]

 

 

Now, to the next thing that needs to be sorted:

 

LOOT should always be run after you install mods, no questions asked. Unless you are capable of fixing the problem yourself, always run LOOT.

 

I also notice you have a bashed patch. If you are going to use a bashed patch, there are two minimum requirement rules that must be followed at all costs.

 

1. Always update the patch after every mod installation, and every mod un-installation. Period.

 

2. The bashed patch always goes at the bottom of your load order.

 

 

^