Nevermore Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Ok, it seems some have misread my post (partly my fault for not specifiing what I meant). About the thomas thread: What I meant was, IMHO, a bit childish. Thomas was banded, and for apperintly good reaseon. I'm not disputing his banding. What I'm saying is that Dark0ne, agian IMHO, shouldn't have posted the PMs and make snide remarks about them. I enjoy getting the last word in too, but I don't go out of my way to do it.* About Dark0ne's pufferedness: I NEVER said he's way too puffed up I said: just a pinch too puffed up on power.and:he can be a smidge overbearing. You guys blew those (carefully) stated comments a bit outa proportian. As to justifying these (relativly neglidgable) statements I refer you to the strike some one reseaved for saying Dark0ne had "nazi-like" control. If Dark0ne was a little less overbearing he'd have just explained the situation (as he did do) without the strike and then the readers would have knowen what realy went on and that the one who said "nazi-like" control woulda looked a little foolish. As for the professionalism of this thread: I'm just saying that if posts/threads are not A. In one of the 2 FAQs we had pinnedB. Were just plain retardedC. Spamthen they should just be moved to proper catigorys and left alone otherwise. Not that I've seen the deleted threads/posts but I'm sure some are more usefull then a thread asking if anyone can make a Lara Croft with large "ta-tas" as I have seen here before, which is a thread that was (to my reculection) not locked.----------------------- I belive my post was mildly mis-read and readers didn't attach the proper rather indiffrent tone that the post was meant to be read in. THough this was not all my fault for the only all caps word I said was "DID" in wich was used to say that "we DID" agree to the rules before we joined. To aviod misinterpritation I'll say this now: This post is not meant to be mean, nor cocky, ect. Just clarifying what I said earlyer and correcting the misinterpritations. * Some may think this post is my attempt at the "last word" but I assure you it is not. Just claification of past statments, and correction of interpritation. other then these things... I don't hug, nor do a think anyone person is right, but I see no use of caring this on. Doing so will only anger some people (maybe even calm dossle me) and lead to strikes/bannings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Not that I've seen the deleted threads/posts but I'm sure some are more usefull then a thread asking if anyone can make a Lara Croft with large "ta-tas" as I have seen here before, which is a thread that was (to my reculection) not locked.You mean this thread? Which I locked immediately, less than an hour after it was posted.http://mwsource.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3621Anything offensive/worthless is locked. Harsh law or not, it keeps things under control. And you'll notice that strikes are only issued after either 1) extremely offensive comments, or 2) continued poor post quality. So don't look at locking/deleting as punishment, its just maintaining order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Anyone would imagine from the above that leaving a thread unlocked was a rare occurrence. The percentage that are locked compared with the number posted is very small. And a thread can be unlocked if there is a genuine reason for doing so so there is no such thing as a 'dead' thread. Locking is usually there to prevent people getting posts deleted. This hurts more than locking and the moderators try to avoid it. As Peregrine quite rightly points out if a question is asked and answered further posts can only be spam. Remove the temptation - prevention is always better than cure. There are equally compelling ( and similar) reasons for locking threads that are turning into flame wars and those which duplicate existing topics. With regard to going off topic, usually the first move by a moderator is to request to bring it back. If it has progressed too far, the comment I made in my earlier post remains - a valuable discussion is lost because those looking at the title of the topic will have no clue to its existence. So let us try and consider the overall purpose rather than worry about the odd occasion when we feel hard done by. I have had posts I started locked too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dradum_Fairoak Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 As to justifying these (relativly neglidgable) statements I refer you to the strike some one reseaved for saying Dark0ne had "nazi-like" control. If Dark0ne was a little less overbearing he'd have just explained the situation (as he did do) without the strike and then the readers would have knowen what realy went on and that the one who said "nazi-like" control woulda looked a little foolish. That's the thing I definitely agree with. It seems Dark0ne can't take criticism of any kind, even when it's just some faceless nobody making a groundless accusation. Would anyone even care if it were true? I couldn't care less. Furthermore, to whoever it was who said it, I think walking into someone's house and yelling random obscenities is a little different to insulting someone on a DISCUSSION forum. If part of the discussion offends somebody, they should be able to react as you would in a real conversation. If someone comes on here and just starts throwing random insults at anyone, get rid of them but I don't think that's the issue here. What we're talking about here is people who for the most part contribute intelligently to discussions but now and again take offence at something that is said and react in the way that people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Actually it is exaclty the same. Insulting someone is not a discussion. Nobody is getting banned simply for having an unpopular opinion, but if you can't express that opinion in a civilized manner, you don't need to be here. As I've said before, expecting a minimum standard of behavior is hardly unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Words are a very imperfect medium of communication when you cannot see the face of the communicator. This forum has people from all over the world and understanding differs. A pretty innocuous swear word to the French is a no no in the UK and no doubt vice versa. But the word Nazi is I believe widely understood and it is offensive. Had the original poster returned with an apology admitting to, in nothing else, lack of tact, I feel it would have been accepted. Why is it other people feel the need to weigh in? They may find the word less objectionable than I or Dark0ne but they will have words and expressions they find equally offensive. There is no such thing as free speech in the real world, why should there be in something belonging to Dark0ne? Maybe someone would like to start a new thread without reference to individuals, 'Why freedom of speech can never be possible' or some similar title. It could lead to an interesting adult debate if people were willing to treat it in an adult manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dradum_Fairoak Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 You make it sound like he was calling Dark0ne a 'nazi' when all he said was he was being 'nazi-like' in his moderation of the boards. He fairly obviously was not trying to suggest that Dark0ne has slaughtered millions of jews and blacks. I'm pretty sure he was merely saying that the running of the message boards is third reich-esque in its 'do what I say or don't do at all' method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Corbett Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 ...and homosexuals, and cripples, and gypsies, and Roman Catholics, and anyone who looked at him the wrong way... No, there's NOTHING Nazi-like about Dark0ne. And quite lucky you dind't call me Nazi-like, since not only does getting compared to members of their murderous regime piss me off, it is an insult to the memory of my ancestors who hid Jewish people at risk of life and limb. Aside from that, what's wrong with Dark0ne? He's a fine leader. You certainly have not seen many forums if you think that this one is ruled by a "nazi-like" administrator. This is his forum, and unless you want to pay for bandwidth, please follow the rules. They're not a hard code to live by. In fact, I'm confident that every one of the members of this forum is completely competent and able to follow all the rules perfectly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proxis Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 At the risk of being banned from this sight ( i hope this isnt my last post), i must say these following statements. to Dark0ne: it WOULD be foolish of you to expect to run a site over the internet exactly the way you see fit. this is an impossibility. As much as rulers dislike it, People are people, PEOPLE HAVE FREE SPEECH, people will say what is on there mind, people will obey, and people will disobey. alas, this is not your house, for you truly have no "real" control. you can only react to the people rather than prevent or force an action. hence we have freedom that way. Yes you did create this sight, yes you do "oversee" and "guid" the members of this forum. However, this is not "your house", this is the internet. and if you would like to run your site in the best manner possible, a measure of respect, decency, and above all PATIENCE must be utilized to effectively operate any group, wether it be an internet forum or otherwise. you may be the "king" of this island, but people have the option of leaving, and if most leave because they dislike the king, and you banish the rest, you will be the king of nothing. just an empty internet forum. i know that you dont want that, so that is why i give you this advice: let people be human, let them err, let them live, and discipline them "when they go too far", not whenever they make a mistake. So i now throw myself upon your mercy, banish me if you must, just try to listen and understand what i have said. I hold no ill will towards you Dark0ne, or any of your Moderators, and hope that you hold no ill will towards me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Let me put this in simple terms:Freedom of speech does not apply to a private forum. So stop mentioning it. If you want to post here, you are expected to follow the rules. None of which are unreasonable. The house comparison is perfectly valid. You do not pay the server cost. You do not handle the mod/admin duties. You are a guest here, and only as long as Dark0ne wants to have you around. If you're an unpleasant guest to have around, you get banned. And as for everyone leaving, I seriously doubt it. There's no mass departure from the forums, so that must mean that the majority of the people here are happy with the way things are run. You don't like it and want to leave? Door's over there, we won't miss you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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