Zathras5 Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Yes, I have those numbers in the log. Not sure why but I just got it to play for 2 hours with no crash. The only thing I did was disable the Skyrim HD 2k texture pack and change my Anisotropic Filtering Level from 8x to 4x in Radeon Settings. So hopefully its fixed... but will find out for sure when I play again. Thanks for helping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaronII Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) You know, that's not an uncommon observation. I am compulsive about game reliability and not crashing. I spent a long, long time trying to stop Skyrim from CTD'ing. INI files, load order, conflict patches, mod cleaning; finally got a fairly reliable game. Then Sheson's Patch (the SKSE Memory thing) finally reduced crashes to about one every 40 hrs of game play. I couldn't force a crash in 30 minutes of stress testing. Then I got a new video card and upped the mod texture resolutions. The CTD's came back. Long (very long) story shortened: I DDSOpt'd all my textures to 1k and normal maps to 512x512. Only looks "okay", but NEVER crashes. Not once, in months of playing a highly modded game (more than one playthrough, in fact). There is a little talk around mod sites about this, but its hard to find. There are people who have tested it and found smaller textures lead to fewer random crashes. Its not enough to explain the number of CTD's still occuring in a five year-old game (that's from poor modding practices), but smaller textures have a definite impact on game engine reliability, IMHO. If you get "better" results without the HD packs, you might go further and see if a vanilla optimized 1k texture pack improves things even more (or DDSOpt them yourself). Its entirely possible to have a crash free modded Skyrim. A little difficult to get, but entirely possible. Good luck. Edited May 1, 2016 by GaronII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zathras5 Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 It's still crashing... Argh... My spm debug info follows if it helps. ====================================== ENVIRONMENT INFO START ====================================== LoadEnvironmentInformation: SPM Version: v3.8 LoadEnvironmentInformation: Windows Version: Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit, v6.2.9200.0 LoadEnvironmentInformation: Windows Culture: en-US LoadEnvironmentInformation: Is Administrator: False LoadEnvironmentInformation: Microsoft .NET Runtime Version: v4.0.30319 LoadEnvironmentInformation: Microsoft .NET Latest Installed Version: v4.6.01038 LoadEnvironmentInformation: SlimDX Install: SlimDX Runtime .NET 2.0 (January 2012), 2.0.13.43 LoadEnvironmentInformation: DirectX Version: 12 LoadEnvironmentInformation: CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770T CPU @ 2.50GHz - x8 LoadEnvironmentInformation: Total System Memory: 8,150 MB LoadEnvironmentInformation: Primary Video Card: AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series LoadEnvironmentInformation: Total VRAM: 1,024 MB LoadEnvironmentInformation: Primary Screen Resolution: 1,920 x 1,080 LoadEnvironmentInformation: WMI Detected Video Cards: AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series LoadEnvironmentInformation: OHL Detected Video Cards: AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series LoadEnvironmentInformation: DXGI Detected Video Cards: AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series|Microsoft Basic Render Driver LoadEnvironmentInformation: ATI Utility Output: Displaying all matching and active AMD Video Cards: "AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series"|AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series:1073741824 LoadEnvironmentInformation: ADL Detected Video Cards: AMD Radeon HD 7800M Series ======================================= ENVIRONMENT INFO END ======================================= ========================================= FOUND DLLS START ========================================= Please Note: Some of these are included in Skyrim, others are likely from mods. Searching folder: "C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim"... C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/atimgpud.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/binkw32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/d3d9.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/skse_1_9_32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/skse_steam_loader.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/steam_api.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/DirectX10/DSETUP.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/DirectX10/dsetup32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/hook.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/msvcp120.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/msvcr120.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/python27.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/uibase.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/7z.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/archive.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/boost_python-vc120-mt-1_56.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/icudt53.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod 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C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5Sql.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5Svg.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5WebChannel.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5WebKit.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5WebKitWidgets.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5Widgets.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5WinExtras.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5Xml.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/Qt5XmlPatterns.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/imageformats/qdds.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/imageformats/qgif.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/imageformats/qjpeg.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/DLLs/imageformats/qtga.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/loot/loot32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/Categorized Favorites Menu/SKSE/Plugins/CFM_extensions.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/FileAccess Interface for Skyrim Script - FISS/SKSE/Plugins/fiss.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/Fuz Ro Doh/SKSE/Plugins/Fuz Ro D'oh.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/Mirai - the Girl with the Dragon Heart/skse/Plugins/ffutils.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/moreHUD/SKSE/Plugins/AHZmoreHUDPlugin.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/OneTweak/SKSE/plugins/OneTweak.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/RaceMenu/SKSE/Plugins/chargen.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/RaceMenu/SKSE/Plugins/nioverride.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/Simply Knock/SKSE/Plugins/simplyknock.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/Simply Knock/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtil.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/Skyrim - Enhanced Camera/SKSE/Plugins/SKSE_EnhancedCamera.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/mods/Wearable Lanterns/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtil.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/Castle.Core.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ChinhDo.Transactions.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/Commanding.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GamebryoBase.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ICSharpCode.TextEditor.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ModManager.Interface.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/Mods.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/NexusClient.Interface.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/Scripting.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/SevenZipSharp.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/Transactions.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/UI.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/Util.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/WeifenLuo.WinFormsUI.Docking.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/data/7z-32bit.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/data/7z-64bit.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/data/boss32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/Fallout3.CSharpScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/Fallout3.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/Fallout3.XmlScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/FalloutNV.CSharpScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/FalloutNV.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/FalloutNV.XmlScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/GamebryoBase.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/Oblivion.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/Oblivion.ModScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/Skyrim.CSharpScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/Skyrim.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/Skyrim.XmlScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/GameModes/data/boss32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ModFormats/FOMod.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ModFormats/OMod.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ScriptTypes/Antlr3.Runtime.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ScriptTypes/AntlrUtil.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ScriptTypes/CSharpScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ScriptTypes/ModScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/NCC/ScriptTypes/XmlScript.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/platforms/qwindows.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/bsaExtractor.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/checkFNIS.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/diagnoseBasic.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/gameFallout3.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/gameFalloutNV.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/gameOblivion.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/gameSkyrim.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/iniEditor.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/installerBAIN.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/installerBundle.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/installerFomod.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/installerManual.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/installerNCC.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/installerQuick.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/NMMImport.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/previewBase.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/proxyPython.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/plugins/data/pythonRunner.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mopy/bash/compiled/7z.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mopy/bash/compiled/CBash.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mopy/bash/compiled/libbsa32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mopy/bash/compiled/libbsa64.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mopy/bash/compiled/loadorder32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mopy/bash/compiled/loot32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/CommonUtilities.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/DynamicDataDisplay.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/EasyHook.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/EasyHook32.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/EasyHook64.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/FPSInjector.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/OpenHardwareMonitorLib.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/SlimDX.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/System.Threading.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/System.Xaml.dll C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/WPFToolkit.dll ========================================== FOUND DLLS END ========================================== ================================= MISCELLANEOUS INI SETTINGS START ================================= Common Settings in ini: C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/profiles/Default/skyrim.ini iPreloadSizeLimit: uGridsToLoad: uExterior Cell Buffer: 36 uInterior Cell Buffer: bFloatPointRenderTarget: ================================== MISCELLANEOUS INI SETTINGS END ================================== ==================================== RELATED GAME TITLES START ===================================== Looking for installed Titles containing "Skyrim" Found Game Title: "Skyrim Performance Monitor", Path: C:/Steam/Steamapps/Common/Skyrim/Skyrim Performance Monitor/ ===================================== RELATED GAME TITLES END ====================================== ========================================= DEBUG INFO START ========================================= InitializeAndBeginMonitoring: Starting Launcher Process: C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/Mod Organizer/ModOrganizer.exe. InitializeHotkeys: In-Game Hotkeys Disabled: False BeginMonitoringTESV: Entering Monitoring Process for Main Program: C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Skyrim/TESV.exe. BeginMonitoringTESV: Begin Initializing PerformanceCounters. BeginMonitoringTESV: End Initializing PerformanceCounters. BeginMonitoringTESV: Found custom D3D9.dll file: True BeginMonitoringTESV: Attempt support for D3D9: True BeginMonitoringTESV: Safe Mode: False InitializeHotkeys: In-Game Hotkeys Disabled: False BeginMonitoringTESV: Attempt Hook: True BeginMonitoringTESV: FPS Process Exists? False BeginMonitoringTESV: Begin Initializing FPS Process. BeginMonitoringTESV: Detecting screen dimensions for purposes of positioning the counters... BeginMonitoringTESV: FPS Process successfully created. BeginMonitoringTESV: Begin FPS Hook. AttemptHook: Calling AttachProcess() Begin. AttachProcess: Calling RemoteHooking.Inject() Begin. AttachProcess: Calling RemoteHooking.Inject() End. AttemptHook: Calling AttachProcess() End. BeginMonitoringTESV: End FPS Hook. BeginMonitoringTESV: End Initializing FPS Process. BeginMonitoringTESV: Hook Successful: True Run: DLL Injection succeeded. Run: 64-bit Process: False. Run: IDXHook.Hook() Before. BeginMonitoringTESV: Begin Monitoring Main Program: TESV BeginMonitoringTESV: Combine ENBHost.exe Memory: True BeginMonitoringTESV: Detected ENBHost.exe process running: True DXHookD3D9: Hook: Begin. DXHookD3D9: Hook: Before device creation. DXHookD3D9: Hook: Device created. DXHookD3D9: Hook: Creating EndSceneHook. DXHookD3D9: Hook: Creating ResetHook. DXHookD3D9: Hook: Creating PresentHook. DXHookD3D9: Hook: End. Run: IDXHook.Hook() After. BeginMonitoringTESV: "TESV" Pixel Height: 900. BeginMonitoringTESV: "TESV" Pixel Width: 1,600. FPSDispose: Disposing FPS Process. ========================================== DEBUG INFO END ========================================== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaronII Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) I missed your last post as I've been upgrading to Microsoft's latest spyware release. <random comment> Once I got it to work how I, not Microsoft, wanted it to work, I tested my games. My only positive experience with Win 10 so far is with the Win 10 AMD Crimson drivers; my frame rate is up almost 10 FPS everywhere. I actually got 60 FPS in Skyrim. Have never seen that before, ever.</random comment> Sorry the problem is back. At this point, we can do two things: 1) Assume your mods and savegame are okay and keep going, or, 2) Uninstall and test. 1) You have the BIG issues covered; INI files, LOOT, SKSE, and an ENB. If we were to keep going, I would give your game some extra script processing time. The following changes may seem minor, but you should not change these values haphazardly. I have several script heavy mods and my Skyrim.ini file has the following entries in the [Papyrus] block: [Papyrus]; Only change the following values in increments of 0.2 at a time. Absolute MAX = 4.0. May impact FPS.fUpdateBudgetMS=1.4 fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=1.4; Following entry may be up to 2000 MAX. Will cause a slight load screen delay.fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=800.0bEnableLogging=0bEnableTrace=0bLoadDebugInformation=0 The changes above are talked about here. EDIT: Changed link to Skyrim instead of Fallout page. Also, make sure you are running with v-sync enabled at 60Hz somewhere. Most likely, its your ENB settings if you followed STEP. 2) This is a killer. It involves uninstalling loose file mods and disabling all plugins, starting a new game, and making a clean save to add mods to, and checking for mod conflicts. I don't know how to make a clean save with Live Another Life, but I do it outside Helgen Cave after the the start-up scripts complete. It then involves adding one, or a few, mods at a time and checking for conflicts with XEdit and for the CTD's using Vurt's old stress test. It can find some generic CTD's fairly quickly, but I'll warn you now; its a PITA to do this with the number of mods you have. Edited May 12, 2016 by GaronII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zathras5 Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 Thanks GaronII, but I may have found the issue. It seems to be onetweak conflicting with enboost. STEP doesn't recommend onetweak but it does say to use the stand alone double cursor fix which onetweak includes. However STEP mentions not to use double cursor fix if using enboost so I'm thinking there is some conflict here. Or perhaps it's just onetweak itself... Anyway, I removed onetweak and the crashing is much less frequent. It still happens occasionally though. I may try the papryus tweaks but I don't think I really have that many script heavy mods.. just claralux and the weather one. But the game does crash when indoors and I'm assuming those scripts are only running when outdoors. Or maybe I should just leave well enough alone & just try to save more frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaronII Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Alright, good luck. I used to have Autosave Manager installed. Its a customizable (MCM) mod which will autosave whenever you tell it to. Was great when I had crashes cause I'd ALWAYS forget to save at the worst possible times (lose random loot I REALLY wanted). My last advice is to use the one-mod-install-at-a-time method. Its a pain to start with when you have a list of favorite mods, but if you do it consistently you can grow your modlist from a stable base and KNOW things will work together. I also have a lot of luck with Mator's Merge Plugins program. When merging, it tracks and reorders things which can be corrupted by bad edits in a mod which wasn't cleaned properly. And, it lets you add more than 255 (or so) mods by reducing plugin counts. C ya round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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