Society´s right to intervene

[raatorotta]

Change of overcoming and healing is not possible if damage is done at very early age. Brain has been grown with wrong kind of chemistry and functions and can not be revieved to former condition as it hasn't existed. Therefor, trying to heal is useless. Overcoming only works if you have been normal before depression. But if you been depressed your whole life, chances to overcome anything are almost impossible. Edited November 28, 2011 by raatorotta

[Balagor]

@raatorotta, you speak like a first year shrink student, that even slep during class. :no:

I guess it´s time to tell my life story once more. I was born with the disease Bipolar Disorder, also called Manio Depressive.

My entire life I have been in and out of mental hospitals. Had somebody not looked after me and locked me up, had suicide pills been available in the supermarket, I had been long dead by now.

When I finally got a proper diagnosis, 10 years ago (yeah, a long wait) and proper medication, my life turned 180 degree. I am in perfect shape today. I am happy that someone took the liberty to lock me up by force, in order to help me. I have even thanked them. The crap that "the brain can not overcome damage done in an early stage" is something I have never seen in the cases I have faced during my visits in the mental hospitals, and they are numerous.

[raatorotta]

Yes, I am a patient, not a student. I been heavily depressed 20 years with psychotic symptoms. Have had diagnosis for 6 years, and tried a lot of different medication combinations, treatments, and had like 8 different doctors trying to do their best. None of medications seem to work. Some psychotic medications needed to stop, because the damage to internal organs. My newest medication i got, is said to cause heart problems and i need to go to hospital to get electrocardiogram every week. But for you, I am happy they found proper medication. For me, they are still looking and I am getting frustrated of this wait. Anyway, as I posted before, they are now about to give up on treatments and leave me stay in my home to deal with myself alone. Maybe because financial situation of economy, and because treatments will cost to government and they are trying to save money, and ofcourse first place they take the money off from is the healthcare and the poor people.

[Werne]

Heh, I've been in a mental hospital once, I was literally dragged there. My diagnosis: PTSD (Post-traumatic stress disorder) caused by seeing things you really don't want to know about. I had nightmares so I couldn't sleep at night (you would be disgusted if I tell you what I dreamed about) and I was always nervous and tense so I went to the nut-house for testing. Thank god I'm an active soldier so I've got a good doctor that really helped me so I have no more nightmares and I'm not nervous anymore.

 

Anyway, back to the topic. Society has every right to intervene cause small problems and disorders can turn into big problems and people can die. My problem was small, but my doctor said that if I wasn't sent to the hospital, I would be a ticking time bomb that's just waiting to explode. If I snapped, people would die, and thanks to my training, combat experience and the arsenal I have access to, I would be unstoppable even for an average soldier. Anyway, as I said, small problem can cause a bigger one, and I encourage the society to intervene because of other people's safety. Psychological disorders are the worse cause the sick person can be talking with you and act normal and a few seconds later he might attack you.

[Jopo1980]

Post-traumatic stress disorder is a severe condition many veterans face. The marks a war leaves in a persons psyche cannot easily be erased.

 

But as for suicide, I agree that people should not do it because of depression which can be helped or at least there is hope of relief. New medications are being developed and I have even heard of a depressed person gettting a brain implant to stimulate their brain and getting cured afterwards, so in severe cases even that can be considered.

 

But what if your suicidal thoughts originate from logic or more or less sane reasoning? I have had antidepressants and antipsychotics for years now and I still consider myself suicidal, although I am not going to do anything as long as my parents are alive (no parent should have to bury their child), but after they are gone the situation will be different and if my fortunes and situation have not DRAMATICALLY changed for the better, then the risk of something unfortunate happening will be severe. But, I have 10 to 20 years to try and improve my life, so I´m not giving up hope yet as miracles can happen.

 

EDIT: I found the following in the Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation

 

"Laws against suicide (and attempted suicide) prevailed in English common law until 1961. English law perceived suicide as an immoral, criminal offense against God and also against the King.[4] It first became illegal in the 13th century.[5] Until 1822, in fact, the possessions of somebody who committed suicide could even be forfeited to the Crown.[6]

 

Suicide ceased to be a legal offense with the passing of the Suicide Act 1961; the same Act makes it an offense to assist in a suicide. While the act of suicide is lawful, the consequences of committing suicide might turn an individual event into an unlawful act, as in the case of Reeves v Commissioners of Police of the Metropolis [2000] 1 AC 360,[7] where a man in police custody hanged himself and was held equally liable with the police (a cell door defect enabled the hanging) for the loss suffered by his widow; the practical effect was to reduce the police damages liability by 50%. In 2009, the House of Lords ruled that the law concerning the treatment of people who accompanied those who committed assisted suicide was unclear, following Debbie Purdy's case that this lack of clarity was a breach of her human rights. (In her case, as a sufferer from multiple sclerosis, she wanted to know whether her husband would be prosecuted for accompanying her abroad where she may wish eventually to commit assisted suicide, if her illness progressed.) As a result, this law is expected to be revised."

 

So, it turns out suicide is NOT a crime in the UK, not since 1961. I congratulate the British for acknowledging personal freedom on this subject.

 

Read more about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Act_1961

 

"The Suicide Act 1961 (9 & 10 Eliz.2 c.60) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It decriminalised the act of suicide so that those who failed in the attempt would no longer be prosecuted."