v6x4 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 The Worst My Generation Has To Offer George W. Bush is a malicious numskull born to wealth and privilege. A smirking punk who, with the help of corrupt lawyers and judges, stole the 2000 presidential election. A shameless hypocrite who asked the American people to elect him to the highest office in the land but refused to answer the question, "Have you ever used cocaine?" George W. Bush is a greasy conman who promised the American people relief from pharmaceutical industry profiteering, waited three years, and then hammered legislation through Congress that INCREASES drug company profits, PROHIBITS the Medicare program from negotiating for lower drug prices, and quietly begins dismantling the social safety net established by President Roosevelt. George W. Bush is a common thief who plundered the Medicare and Social Security Trust Funds. What he hasn't squandered on Daddy's unfinished war he's given away in the form of tax breaks to his predatory corporation pals. The Bush New Deal? No Deal At All. George W. Bush is a sadistic warmonger who, under false pretenses, mired us in a war we cannot win. Now that this fool and his bloodthirsty advisors are beginning to realize what a stupendous mistake they've made there's alot of chatter about a fast track "transfer of power" (whatever that means) and a reduction of our military presence in Iraq by next Spring (just in time for the 2004 presidential election). Would you want to be a soldier stationed in Baghdad when the Cut And Run begins? No problem. It won't be Bush's rich kid ass on the line. The closest this swaggering dunce will ever get to a real battlefield is in one of Carl Rove's Fantasy Island photo-ops. The Baby Boom generation is infamous for it's extremes. It makes sense the Boomers would continue the tradition of excess even as they become The Establishment. But who could have imagined our second contribution to the American Presidency would be a sneering, Bible thumping, right wing fanatic? George W. Bush - the worst my generation has to offer. http://www.awolbush.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 1) This forum is titled debates, not "anti-politician ranting".2) This is not a debate.3) Even if it was, the language needs improving. Make your points if you want, but use a more civilized tone.4) Since this thread has no purpose, locking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Corbett Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Just to add something, if you want to start a debate, an insult is a really, really bad way to prove it. What do you wish to be resolved in your debate? What are you arguing about? You open up with the statement that George Bush is stupid, but your correlating facts use only rheoric, appear to me to be unquestioned, and lack a thesis statement. Be sure to look at your assumptions BEFORE you speak. IE you use a lot of descriptive words -- which leaves me to add a whole, whole lot of whys. They're probably all obvious to you, but it's important that you look at them: especially if you're planning a debate. All of the things you said are opinion statements. If you're going to a debate, be sure you can back them up, or you'll lose. Be this a note to all of you who read this message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Corbett Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Heck, I'll point out all the points in that rant that you failed to elaborate on. My comments in italics. This is a note to all of you -- I don't agree with GWB, but do a better job than this answering him. In fact, feel free to remake this thread if you do a better job of it and phrase it in the form of a debate, with a thesis, and PROOF. The Worst My Generation Has To Offer Opinion -- okay for a thesis statement, but that's a pretty bad one. What is? George W. Bush is a malicious numskull opinion, personal attack born to wealth and privilege. Your point being? A smirking punk who, with the help of corrupt lawyers and judges, stole the 2000 presidential election. Proof, please. How many recounts would GWB have to win before it was good enough for you? A shameless hypocrite opinion who asked the American people to elect him to the highest office in the land but refused to answer the question, "Have you ever used cocaine?" Iwas unaware that was critical to the future of the country. Besides, at least in Canada, random virtue testing for cocaine or other drugs without serious reason or a warrant is quite illegal. George W. Bush is a greasy conman opinion who promised the American people relief from pharmaceutical industry profiteering, waited three years, and then hammered legislation through Congress that INCREASES drug company profits, PROHIBITS the Medicare program from negotiating for lower drug prices, and quietly begins dismantling the social safety net established by President Roosevelt. The first good point yet, but totally uncorroborated. George W. Bush is a common thief Opinion. Again. who plundered the Medicare and Social Security Trust Funds Corroboration, explanation of what he used that money for and how it would be better in those funds. . What he hasn't squandered on Daddy's unfinished war Well, that's a bit dronelike, don't you think? Try to figure out why someone would waste $87 billion for oil that they're not even going to own in the long run. he's given away in the form of tax breaks to his predatory corporation pals. Ah. Insulting "the rich." Please, personal attacks are *lame.* If you pardon me, I'm off to go get my head stepped on by THE EVIL RICH before I decide to join the glorious socialist revolution. The Bush New Deal? No Deal At All. Specific? George W. Bush is a sadistic warmonger who, Another opinion statement and personal attack. Hopefully you're not going to start another paragraph like this. under false pretenses, mired us in a war we cannot win. Proof, opinion. Why are the people who think that we did win wrong, and you right? now that this fool personal attack and his bloodthirsty advisors personal attack are beginning to realize what a stupendous mistake opinion they've made there's alot of chatter about a fast track "transfer of power" (whatever that means) mockery and rhetoric should be beneath an intelligent person. And I have no reason to believe you're not. and a reduction of our military presence in Iraq by next Spring (just in time for the 2004 presidential election). Would you want to be a soldier stationed in Baghdad when the Cut And Run begins? No problem. What's your point? Rhetoric again.It won't be Bush's rich kid ass on the line.Perhaps because he didn't choose to enlist. Last time I checked, conscription hasn't been used in the US since the Vietnam war. The closest this swaggering dunce will ever get to a real battlefield is in one of Carl Rove's Fantasy Island photo-ops. A personal attack, a pointless statement, and an opinion. Proof. *Please.* The Baby Boom generation is infamous for it's extremes. You're a baby boomer? I couldn't tell. It makes sense the Boomers would continue the tradition of excess even as they become The Establishment. But who could have imagined our second contribution to the American Presidency would be a sneering, Bible thumping, right wing fanatic?I don't that deserves a response, aside from this one. Come on, the ESTABLISHMENT? George W. Bush - the worst my generation has to offer. Did you write this? I hope not. In fact, I'm going to unlock this thread. It's unfair to point out mistakes in someone else's debate without them being able to respond. If you can restate yourself, bring proof, use objective terminology, refrain from personal attacks, shy away from the excessive opinions, [you should only have one, your thesis -- let the reader decide] and debate this well, you may just win a democrat voter or two. Or maybe Libertarian or Green or something. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinJiOh Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 i'm not sure if this was mentioned earlier(this may be a little OT) but if you type in "miserable failure" in google look what the first topic is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Corbett Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Not only is it OT, it's really, really old news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Sibling Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 GWB is not a good leader in himself, but has some bright sparks helping him.Which is lucky for the US. And everyone. And watch out anyone who does not follow the republican party line! Unluckily, despite the angry shrieks of the blinkered followers of the neo-con,the fact is that we have achieved little since the disaster of 11-9-01. We have crushed a few minor despots, but drugs, terror and corruption still rules on high, in every strata of the West. And who really expected otherwise? And to our neo-con clergy, why haven't you 'disarmed' Russia and China?Surely their 'human rights' record outgrosses Iraq's by a long shot. Could it be that small ineffective 3rd world nations are easy to beat?And we would eat nukes if we did try anything? Surely not! Funny how Iraq was such a big threat to all, but took a week to demolish. And what about the honesty of GWB and his ilk?Many things are spouted by these men in charge, to win the hearts of a population that is basically in fear. Fear is the thing ruling the West today, hence why we look to the pillars of power, and any authority figure that will give us what we deem security. Even letting dangerous religious men into office, and tolerating their fetid agendas. And the farce we are carrying out in these puny 3rd world despotisms, is merely to detract from an all points failure to curb the proliferation of terror assets, much of it stemming from our own hands. This is how cold war crimes coma back to haunt us. Sure, the faithful may argue that they are fixing the wrongs of the past, but why did those wrongs happen anyway? And why did it take 3000 dead to wake us up? And how many dead grenadiers will it take to get us out of this ugly mess? There is more dirt hidden beneath the war on terror than many people wish to accept. But, worry not, GWB and the boys will retire in luxury,while the common Westerner suffers, in fear. And the common soldier bleeds, without thanks. Welcome to the 'No World Order'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Even if Bush was a miserable failure, and the war on Iraq (and even Afganistan?) was wrong and all the proposed motives where correct that it was a war made by some religious nut out of greed and glory and fear, wouldn't that describe the selfish nature of man perfectly? Perhaps it's a vision to destroy third world countries and build them back as pawns in-order to aquire absolute control over the world and enforce some narrow-minded order. But then again how the &*#@^$ whould anybody know that? have you snuck into the pentigon and read the top secrect files about the evil motives? Have you found Bush and forced him to tell you his true agenda? Goverments are complexe as they manage over so much and while I don't like the idea of a people run system controling my life it's better than a computer. In any case many of these third world countries are threats by way of terrorism. I consider any country with terrorist as like sombody holding a gun to my head, they should be delt with. I don't think war it todays best answer, and if I controled america I would avoid it hoping for some more percise answer to the problem, but if I controlled most of the world I would simply conquer the remaining terrorist countries as their existance is expendable for the greater good. The world is brutal and war, killing and violence is ineventable, we should be happy that invasions are as civil as they are. A couple hundred years ago if you could conquer a nation you did as to ensure the future of your nation. My final opinion; All goverments are messed up and their motives are selfish and in their own intrest, point the finger as you will, one day there will be only the winners and the losers and nobody will be anymore right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltiraaz Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 George W. Bush - the worst my generation has to offer. THAT is really old news. If you want to know of a "regime" with an even worse head on things why dont you look into how great the new liberal government in Ontario has been working out <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Sibling Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Even if Bush was a miserable failure, and the war on Iraq (and even Afganistan?) was wrong and all the proposed motives where correct that it was a war made by some religious nut out of greed and glory and fear, wouldn't that describe the selfish nature of man perfectly? Perhaps it's a vision to destroy third world countries and build them back as pawns in-order to aquire absolute control over the world and enforce some narrow-minded order. But then again how the &*#@^$ whould anybody know that? have you snuck into the pentigon and read the top secrect files about the evil motives? Have you found Bush and forced him to tell you his true agenda? Goverments are complexe as they manage over so much and while I don't like the idea of a people run system controling my life it's better than a computer. In any case many of these third world countries are threats by way of terrorism. I consider any country with terrorist as like sombody holding a gun to my head, they should be delt with. I don't think war it todays best answer, and if I controled america I would avoid it hoping for some more percise answer to the problem, but if I controlled most of the world I would simply conquer the remaining terrorist countries as their existance is expendable for the greater good. The world is brutal and war, killing and violence is ineventable, we should be happy that invasions are as civil as they are. A couple hundred years ago if you could conquer a nation you did as to ensure the future of your nation. My final opinion; All goverments are messed up and their motives are selfish and in their own intrest, point the finger as you will, one day there will be only the winners and the losers and nobody will be anymore right or wrong.Mr Acrid, I believe we are saying the same thing, only using different words. I am a ultimate realist, not some drippy-brained idealist. I too am one of those selfish humans, as are you and many others.Should we apologise? Don't wait up for my apology. And no, I make my opinions formed on that old chestnut, free speech.The first ammendment, I believe you Americans call it. I can accept the fact that power is wielded by those who have it, but power is not given as a gift. And true lack of leadership will come to light in due course.I firmly hold true that the USA is charging blindly into the night.The nation has lost sight of the high ground, and now brandishes power without restraint. Well that is the way of all great hegemonies, the sun will never set on the empire, eh? If Bush and cohorts act this in this way, as is their wont, we should not expect our enemies to play fair either. Try as I might, I cannot see a happy ending for this war on terror. PSI am a Westerner, and damned proud of it.Just less proud of being judged on the merits of a Texan with an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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