When is it okay to kill someone?

[marharth]

How are you going to use the Criminal Justice system without evidence.

My point exactly. How do you say it is okay to murder someone when you have no evidence against him? You just "know" he is guilty.....

Politicians won't be charged with anything anyways. If a politician takes many lives, I have no problem with taking theirs to stop it.

Governor Fife Symington of Arizona was convicted of Fraud in 1997. (just an example. there are others, including presidents who have been impeached)

I understand if that is just how you would react though, I am not sure.

1. Seeing it with your own two eyes multiple times should be evidence enough. That also means that their is no evidence to present to anyone else however.

2. Its quite rare, and moral issues are not always covered by law anyways.

 

"I find trying to determine your moral center of gravity quite difficult, on one hand you deplore wars and on the other you propose and condone the above. Wars are sanctioned by governments which are in turn elected by the people, what you so glibly propose is murder by fiat. For someone who has never killed anything by their own admission I find this quite ironically droll."

I have no problem with war. I have a problem with wars that are done without good intentions. I understand war is sometimes needed, my problem is wars that are started without being necessary.

Erm, if you were a witness to a crime, actually SAW this guy kill someone, that IS evidence, and if you told the cops "I saw him kill X person." They would arrest him, and you would be a witness at his trial, where he would be convicted.

There would be a investigation first.

 

Its not like I could run up to the police and say anyone I knew was a serial killer, and they would instantly arrest him and put him on trial.

Edited September 1, 2011 by marharth

[arcane20]

A logical unemotional answer.

 

Should person A die?

 

1) Suffering is bad

2) killing Person A causes suffering on loved ones and family and on the person of death.*

3) An amount of suffering will be caused by the continued life of person A.

4) stopping 3 will prevent 1

5) If the suffering prevented with A's death is greater than the suffering prevented with A's living. A should die.

 

*Because of this a person should not be killed in vengeance.

[UncleRoe]

In self defense and/or in fear of your life IS the law here in louisiana. In any other attempt or success in taking someone elses life is against the law. The law also applies in many other states. An example would be a man breaking into your home and you gun him down. You will have to prove to the court that you had a legit fear for your life and telling the court "well the man was jumping through my window" will not cut it. Sitting law on the bench for a moment, i'd extend the invitation of death to anyone putting those i love in danger and those walking into my home uninvited. is it right to kill the man breaking into my home? perhaps he was starving for food or maybe he's a hard working man who lost everything and has resorted to crime to support his family.. or maybe it's a stupid child who thinks breaking 150 dollar a pane windows is fun and exciting.. or is it simply wrong to take human life and resort to more social strategies.. Say instead of shooting the intruder i calmly talk to him,tell him that i will not do anything stupid and the house is his to raid..if i had kids i'd tell him..and beg him to not hurt them..perhaps this would work.. or perhaps the man is insane and wishes to hurt people and their children.. or perhaps the stupid child with the baseball bat likes destroying your priceless china and since you took the social route,the desperate starving man who wants to bring your food into his house now has the weapon you dropped to show your trustworthy..and days later when your family is looking over your grave,thy'll remember you by the tombstone engraving that reads "it's wrong to kill..period".

 

My opinion..deciding what is wrong and right as far as killing goes.. is a point of view.. a highly opinionated point of view where 2 sides will never see eye to eye and ironically..both sides have it wrong.

[Nintii]

If I had a bad hair day.

 

If you were standing in the queue in front of me and didn't control your yakking on your mobile ...

 

If you quickly pulled into the parking space I had been waiting for for the last 10 minutes ...

 

If you thought you were Britney Spears and started singing "Hit me babe one more time" in the shower while I was still wiping the sleep from my eyes ... I surely would "hit you babe one more time" !!!

 

If you used my makeup without asking ...

 

If you wore my clothing without asking ...

 

If you ate my 28 day old lazy aged steak that i was saving for Saturday lunch ...

 

If you called my name once too often in a crowd ...

 

If you and your other half started argueing at the till after i'd been standing in line for 20 minutes ... count that as a double murder !

 

If you "stole" my sale item from my trolley ...

 

If you kept on about how slow, dumb, stupid or idiotic women were, you'd find my heel suddenly thump into your pie hole ...

 

If your hands went wandering anywhere near my body at any time other than when assisting me cos I asked for it or when I was in trouble and you came to my rescue ...

 

If you thought that dinner entitled you to feel me up ...

 

If you called my your b*tch, chick, goo*, naa* or any other derogatory name in front of your friends, because "you're the man" ... dead-meat is what you are !

 

The list is endless ............. :tongue:

Edited September 3, 2011 by Nintii

[Balagor]

If I had a bad hair day.

 

If you were standing in the queue in front of me and didn't control your yakking on your mobile ...

 

If you quickly pulled into the parking space I had been waiting for for the last 10 minutes ...

 

If you thought you were Britney Spears and started singing "Hit me babe one more time" in the shower while I was still wiping the sleep from my eyes ... I surely would "hit you babe one more time" !!!

 

If you used my makeup without asking ...

 

If you wore my clothing without asking ...

 

If you ate my 28 day old lazy aged steak that i was saving for Saturday lunch ...

 

If you called my name once too often in a crowd ...

 

If you and your other half started argueing at the till after i'd been standing in line for 20 minutes ... count that as a double murder !

 

If you "stole" my sale item from my trolley ...

 

If you kept on about how slow, dumb, stupid or idiotic women were, you'd find my heel suddenly thump into your pie hole ...

 

If your hands went wandering anywhere near my body at any time other than when assisting me cos I asked for it or when I was in trouble and you came to my rescue ...

 

If you thought that dinner entitled you to feel me up ...

 

If you called my your b*tch, chick, goo*, naa* or any other derogatory name in front of your friends, because "you're the man" ... dead-meat is what you are !

 

The list is endless ............. :tongue:

 

Nice list. Some of it would even make me kill. What an intelligent chick you are :P

 

To be serious. When is it okay to kill someone? I went with a friend to visit her mother who is 94 and suffer from altzheimer. She does not have a worthy life. Killing her out of mercy would be fair.

[Blacckkfire]

Rarely, but in some cases, yes. The death penalty I do not really agree with... I think I would prefer a dreamless sleep rather than jail for life. But people like osama bin laden. He was a real threat to human lives, and needed to be removed.

[Aurielius]

If I had a bad hair day.

 

If you were standing in the queue in front of me and didn't control your yakking on your mobile ...

If you quickly pulled into the parking space I had been waiting for for the last 10 minutes ...

If you thought you were Britney Spears and started singing "Hit me babe one more time" in the shower while I was still wiping the sleep from my eyes ... I surely would "hit you babe one more time" !!!

If you used my makeup without asking ...

If you wore my clothing without asking ...

If you ate my 28 day old lazy aged steak that i was saving for Saturday lunch ...

If you called my name once too often in a crowd ...

If you and your other half started argueing at the till after i'd been standing in line for 20 minutes ... count that as a double murder !

If you "stole" my sale item from my trolley ...

If you kept on about how slow, dumb, stupid or idiotic women were, you'd find my heel suddenly thump into your pie hole ...

If your hands went wandering anywhere near my body at any time other than when assisting me cos I asked for it or when I was in trouble and you came to my rescue ...

If you thought that dinner entitled you to feel me up ...

If you called my your b*tch, chick, goo*, naa* or any other derogatory name in front of your friends, because "you're the man" ... dead-meat is what you are !

The list is endless ............. :tongue:

Well thanks for the list, I will be sure to mind my P's and Q's when in your presence. :whistling:

[Nintii]

@ Balagor, well that is a tough one, a hard call indeed, I would find it difficult indeed to "alleviate" such a person of their sufferings ... in many a war film I've seen a person seriously wounded and they ask their friend to end their life

and not leave them that way, had I been the surviving friend, I think that would stay with me for the rest of my life.

Taking someones life is not some frivolous action, unless it's a case of kill or be killed.

 

And yes I do believe in the death penalty, but I'm not going to discuss that right now ...

 

 

@ Aurielius .............. If some crazy decided to steal my bottle of 30 yr old Glenfiddich ... death will get a whole new meaning ! :nuke:

[DariusMoranda]

I've read all the answers on the examples which I gave earlier. Aurelius explained it good and I think everyone should read what he wrote on my questions.

 

These examples are actually a small psychology test, which I ran into somewhere in the past.

 

Anyways, I will give a few lectures about this subject, only as my opinion, based on the wisdom I gathered through my experiences and I will do it, because I think I am enough competent to do that.

 

1. First of all, if you pull a gun out of your pocket, be ready to shoot and kill. Don't draw it to wound someone or to shoot in the air. If you do that stuff, you are a disgrace for the sword that you picked and you are not worth of one.

 

2. Killing people as an act of revenge doesn't make it bad because it is revenge, it makes it bad because it won't change the past and it will be just one more weight for your shoulders to carry to the rest of your life.

 

3. People who are badly wounded and ask you to ease their pain should be listened. Dying is a very painful and bizzare process, a man is fighting for his last breath, in a great fear. If you find yourself in such situation, do it, but do try to not to perform it directly. Better to say something or to point your finger in other other direction, which would distract the person, so that person won't know what will happen next. And do this only if you are asked to do it.

 

4. If you are a soldier, it is quite normal to kill people. If the war comes to you, you must defend your , love, family and land from the enemy. Though, going into another country and killing people because they are bad in the eyes of your lords is not good. No one has rights to interfere in others business. Let them to deal with it on their own.

 

5. Killing a man who puts you and your family in a life danger is a necessity. Kill him immediately. When you finish it, approach to the body, close his eyes and call the police to report everything.

 

6. Don't try to play rough with a gun wielding robber in a store if you are not experienced fighter. You are putting lives in danger if you try to play a hero. Maybe he is faster then you, so you could be the one to go down, instead of him. Try to talk it out first until someone calls the police while you have him busy, maybe a man isn't a deranged criminal, maybe he doesn't have anything to fed his family, maybe he is in an affect state of mind, some prison would do good for him. If you can't talk it out, then he is a dangerous person and you should listen to the instructions. If he shows himself as a maniac who will kill you all after he finish with robbing the store, act swiftly and try to pick a good moment for it. Put him down.

 

7. If you are called up for a fair fight by a stronger , violent man, and you have a weapon and he doesn't- throw your weapon far away, put up your guard and fight. Play fair even if you know that you will lose and get yourself in a long time in hospital. You won't be emberrassed. By throwing your weapon in front of him and saying that you will fight, you will prove yourself that you are a true warrior. It's nothing to be ashamed of if you lose a fight for honor.

 

8. Killing a man in the name of promotion, material or sexual interest, jealousy or anything similar is a deed of a sociopath or someone who has a deep psychiatric problem. If you have thoughts like this and you are fully aware of yourself, report yourself to the police and doctors immediately.

 

9. If you and your company is in danger from a gang of thugs, and you see that it could go lethal, pull your gun out and shoot them all, not in the knees, not in the stomach. In the heart area or head, asap. Then face the consequences of justice, afterwards.

 

10. If a psychopath killed your loved one, or loved ones, and he got punished for it, but you don't see it enough, don't go to his home to shoot his loved ones. They are not guilty for his crimes. Only beasts can whip a whole family or someones love. Don't be one.

 

11. Don't go and get a job as an executor. You don't need that in your life. If you are already in the army or law enforcement and you must perform as a shooter of someone convicted on court martial, then do it. If you a a farmer and currently out of job and the firing squad is the only job around, try some other place or die in hunger, just don't be the executor.

 

The point is-

 

We, humans, can act based on our instinct or our sanity. In both cases, we perform or calculate before the performance, but the result is the same.

 

We kill or not. If we do, we find it as necessity. That is a natural act of a human. If we do it for fun, we aren't humans.

 

In both cases, killing people is a bad thing and it is not ok. Why? Yes, it is natural to permanently remove a threat to your family. But the very act is the most darkest, gruesome and bizzare thing which you ever have experienced. To extinguish someone's life, to see how he's been separating himself from his soul is an act will be an open wound til the rest of your life.

 

Shorter- Killing a man can be a necessity, but never to be declared as an ok thing to do.

 

Moranda

[HeyYou]

In both cases, killing people is a bad thing and it is not ok. Why? Yes, it is natural to permanently remove a threat to your family. But the very act is the most darkest, gruesome and bizzare thing which you ever have experienced. To extinguish someone's life, to see how he's been separating himself from his soul is an act will be an open wound til the rest of your life.

 

Shorter- Killing a man can be a necessity, but never to be declared as an ok thing to do.

 

Matter of opinion. If someone should shoot and kill a rapist, caught in the act, I see that as a "good thing".