A Mirror of Vietnam?

[Nintii]

I spent just over 3 hours this morning watching the rise and fall and exploits of the CIA, this was'nt some "Anti group" that wanted to bash them, this was almost exclusively the CIA themselves talking of their

various successes, failures and their relationships with the various presidents etc.

 

And a bell went off when they started talking about Iraq and Afghanistan and some of the reasons why the US was ALSO involved, I say also because it's not just about the Taliban, Al Quaeda or old Saddam.

No it's because US based companies have financial interests in the region, and lo and behold, the Bush's (father and son) and a couple of high ranking former US politicians and ex-CIA high rankers have a

company called the Carlyle Group and they have interests in the Middle East.

 

This was straight from the horses mouth, and from ex-CIA directors, Deputy-directors and Field officers etc.

So, to answer your question ... A mirror of Vietnam ?

 

I would answer "No", because Vietnam came about because of different conditions, not financial.

This time it's not only geo-strategic but also private corporate involvement.

 

So, my answer would be, " ... American troops will stick around as long as the private corporations TELL the US government to ...".

 

Btw, did you know that Osama's family actually bought from the Carlyle group ?

[marharth]

I spent just over 3 hours this morning watching the rise and fall and exploits of the CIA, this was'nt some "Anti group" that wanted to bash them, this was almost exclusively the CIA themselves talking of their

various successes, failures and their relationships with the various presidents etc.

 

And a bell went off when they started talking about Iraq and Afghanistan and some of the reasons why the US was ALSO involved, I say also because it's not just about the Taliban, Al Quaeda or old Saddam.

No it's because US based companies have financial interests in the region, and lo and behold, the Bush's (father and son) and a couple of high ranking former US politicians and ex-CIA high rankers have a

company called the Carlyle Group and they have interests in the Middle East.

 

This was straight from the horses mouth, and from ex-CIA directors, Deputy-directors and Field officers etc.

So, to answer your question ... A mirror of Vietnam ?

 

I would answer "No", because Vietnam came about because of different conditions, not financial.

This time it's not only geo-strategic but also private corporate involvement.

 

So, my answer would be, " ... American troops will stick around as long as the private corporations TELL the US government to ...".

 

Btw, did you know that Osama's family actually bought from the Carlyle group ?

The Osama family is a rich family from Saudi Arabia, they do business with a lot of people everywhere.

[SpellAndShield]

Ron Paul, while Republican, is actually very much against the current wars and police state that the US has become (or been,) and strongly backs the constitution, realizes that it's there to limit government rather than for governments to derive power from. He strikes me as the only real option.. Not to mention that he called our economic meltdown years before it happened, and up to now. Aims to end the Fed, free us from the unconstitutional Federal Income Tax, and did I mention, getting our government's d*ck out of all the hornets nests around the world? And he hasn't changed his position once since the '70's. It's amazing.

 

At any rate, something's got to give. Hopefully before we're all dead.

Ron Paul is great for foreign policy and war. I hate most his economic views (besides his view on the federal reserve) and social opinions though.

 

I honestly don't know if Ron Paul would be worth it to get us out of war. Plus everyone on the right hates him in congress, and so does everyone on the left. Wouldn't work out to well for him to get stuff passed.

 

That being said, even if he did get elected I doubt he could get support from congress on much.

 

Why do you hate his economic views? Do you think welfare is a human right?

[marharth]

Ron Paul, while Republican, is actually very much against the current wars and police state that the US has become (or been,) and strongly backs the constitution, realizes that it's there to limit government rather than for governments to derive power from. He strikes me as the only real option.. Not to mention that he called our economic meltdown years before it happened, and up to now. Aims to end the Fed, free us from the unconstitutional Federal Income Tax, and did I mention, getting our government's d*ck out of all the hornets nests around the world? And he hasn't changed his position once since the '70's. It's amazing.

 

At any rate, something's got to give. Hopefully before we're all dead.

Ron Paul is great for foreign policy and war. I hate most his economic views (besides his view on the federal reserve) and social opinions though.

 

I honestly don't know if Ron Paul would be worth it to get us out of war. Plus everyone on the right hates him in congress, and so does everyone on the left. Wouldn't work out to well for him to get stuff passed.

 

That being said, even if he did get elected I doubt he could get support from congress on much.

 

Why do you hate his economic views? Do you think welfare is a human right?

Nothing is a human right. You don't have a set of rights given to you by nature, it is decided by people.

 

What is the job of a government? Pretty sure it is to help its people.

[SpellAndShield]

Ron Paul, while Republican, is actually very much against the current wars and police state that the US has become (or been,) and strongly backs the constitution, realizes that it's there to limit government rather than for governments to derive power from. He strikes me as the only real option.. Not to mention that he called our economic meltdown years before it happened, and up to now. Aims to end the Fed, free us from the unconstitutional Federal Income Tax, and did I mention, getting our government's d*ck out of all the hornets nests around the world? And he hasn't changed his position once since the '70's. It's amazing.

 

At any rate, something's got to give. Hopefully before we're all dead.

Ron Paul is great for foreign policy and war. I hate most his economic views (besides his view on the federal reserve) and social opinions though.

 

I honestly don't know if Ron Paul would be worth it to get us out of war. Plus everyone on the right hates him in congress, and so does everyone on the left. Wouldn't work out to well for him to get stuff passed.

 

That being said, even if he did get elected I doubt he could get support from congress on much.

 

Why do you hate his economic views? Do you think welfare is a human right?

Nothing is a human right. You don't have a set of rights given to you by nature, it is decided by people.

 

What is the job of a government? Pretty sure it is to help its people.

 

The job of the government is to help people? in what way? through wealth confiscation and redistribution? free handouts? I assume that is what you mean. I suppose if most people want 'free' government handouts then yes, people 'decide' what is good. That is not the society I want to live in though... :confused: where I have to pay for someone who does not want to work and things he is 'entitled' to 'free' money...

[marharth]

Ron Paul, while Republican, is actually very much against the current wars and police state that the US has become (or been,) and strongly backs the constitution, realizes that it's there to limit government rather than for governments to derive power from. He strikes me as the only real option.. Not to mention that he called our economic meltdown years before it happened, and up to now. Aims to end the Fed, free us from the unconstitutional Federal Income Tax, and did I mention, getting our government's d*ck out of all the hornets nests around the world? And he hasn't changed his position once since the '70's. It's amazing.

 

At any rate, something's got to give. Hopefully before we're all dead.

Ron Paul is great for foreign policy and war. I hate most his economic views (besides his view on the federal reserve) and social opinions though.

 

I honestly don't know if Ron Paul would be worth it to get us out of war. Plus everyone on the right hates him in congress, and so does everyone on the left. Wouldn't work out to well for him to get stuff passed.

 

That being said, even if he did get elected I doubt he could get support from congress on much.

 

Why do you hate his economic views? Do you think welfare is a human right?

Nothing is a human right. You don't have a set of rights given to you by nature, it is decided by people.

 

What is the job of a government? Pretty sure it is to help its people.

 

The job of the government is to help people? in what way? through wealth confiscation and redistribution? free handouts? I assume that is what you mean. I suppose if most people want 'free' government handouts then yes, people 'decide' what is good. That is not the society I want to live in though... :confused: where I have to pay for someone who does not want to work and things he is 'entitled' to 'free' money...

There is a difference between getting help and getting free money.

 

I am sorry you want to use some of your wealth to help people, but it doesn't belong in this topic.

[HeyYou]

Just a quick off-topic comment.....

 

Since it is the government fault that most of those folks needed assistance are in the position they are in, don't you think it is the governments responsibility to DO something about it? Maybe we should start another thread on this..... or, is there one already existing??

[SpellAndShield]

Just a quick off-topic comment.....

 

Since it is the government fault that most of those folks needed assistance are in the position they are in, don't you think it is the governments responsibility to DO something about it? Maybe we should start another thread on this..... or, is there one already existing??

 

Government has taught the people to be dependent on them...they need to be weaned off the government aid.

[HeyYou]

Just a quick off-topic comment.....

 

Since it is the government fault that most of those folks needed assistance are in the position they are in, don't you think it is the governments responsibility to DO something about it? Maybe we should start another thread on this..... or, is there one already existing??

 

Government has taught the people to be dependent on them...they need to be weaned off the government aid.

 

The government needs to STOP doing things that ENCOURAGE business to export jobs, then, a fair few of those folks on welfare, would be back to work.

[SpellAndShield]

Just a quick off-topic comment.....

 

Since it is the government fault that most of those folks needed assistance are in the position they are in, don't you think it is the governments responsibility to DO something about it? Maybe we should start another thread on this..... or, is there one already existing??

 

Government has taught the people to be dependent on them...they need to be weaned off the government aid.

 

The government needs to STOP doing things that ENCOURAGE business to export jobs, then, a fair few of those folks on welfare, would be back to work.

 

I agree. Governments chase businesses out of the country with too many regulations, rules and other claptrap. It is infinitely easier to set up a business for example in Hong Kong than anywhere in the US.