A Mirror of Vietnam?

[HeyYou]

Just a quick off-topic comment.....

 

Since it is the government fault that most of those folks needed assistance are in the position they are in, don't you think it is the governments responsibility to DO something about it? Maybe we should start another thread on this..... or, is there one already existing??

 

Government has taught the people to be dependent on them...they need to be weaned off the government aid.

 

The government needs to STOP doing things that ENCOURAGE business to export jobs, then, a fair few of those folks on welfare, would be back to work.

 

I agree. Governments chase businesses out of the country with too many regulations, rules and other claptrap. It is infinitely easier to set up a business for example in Hong Kong than anywhere in the US.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of Tax Breaks for moving jobs to developing nations. I will grant that the red tape has gotten pretty thick, but, a fair few of the regulations that corporate america is moving away from here to avoid, are environmental, and worker protections..... without which, you are no better than some of the third world nations that are getting our jobs.

[SpellAndShield]

Just a quick off-topic comment.....

 

Since it is the government fault that most of those folks needed assistance are in the position they are in, don't you think it is the governments responsibility to DO something about it? Maybe we should start another thread on this..... or, is there one already existing??

 

Government has taught the people to be dependent on them...they need to be weaned off the government aid.

 

The government needs to STOP doing things that ENCOURAGE business to export jobs, then, a fair few of those folks on welfare, would be back to work.

 

I agree. Governments chase businesses out of the country with too many regulations, rules and other claptrap. It is infinitely easier to set up a business for example in Hong Kong than anywhere in the US.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of Tax Breaks for moving jobs to developing nations. I will grant that the red tape has gotten pretty thick, but, a fair few of the regulations that corporate america is moving away from here to avoid, are environmental, and worker protections..... without which, you are no better than some of the third world nations that are getting our jobs.

 

Corporations will always want to make profit and there is simply no profit in paying someone 3x what they could pay someone else for the same or better work. What's the solution? Well, minimal wage is universally seen as a good thing but it also prevents people and businesses' from hiring new people, young people and others who want to get a start in life, this is just one example.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMMN3UIQmEk

[marharth]

Just a quick off-topic comment.....

 

Since it is the government fault that most of those folks needed assistance are in the position they are in, don't you think it is the governments responsibility to DO something about it? Maybe we should start another thread on this..... or, is there one already existing??

 

Government has taught the people to be dependent on them...they need to be weaned off the government aid.

 

The government needs to STOP doing things that ENCOURAGE business to export jobs, then, a fair few of those folks on welfare, would be back to work.

 

I agree. Governments chase businesses out of the country with too many regulations, rules and other claptrap. It is infinitely easier to set up a business for example in Hong Kong than anywhere in the US.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of Tax Breaks for moving jobs to developing nations. I will grant that the red tape has gotten pretty thick, but, a fair few of the regulations that corporate america is moving away from here to avoid, are environmental, and worker protections..... without which, you are no better than some of the third world nations that are getting our jobs.

 

Corporations will always want to make profit and there is simply no profit in paying someone 3x what they could pay someone else for the same or better work. What's the solution? Well, minimal wage is universally seen as a good thing but it also prevents people and businesses' from hiring new people, young people and others who want to get a start in life, this is just one example.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMMN3UIQmEk

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING GET RID OF MINIMUM WAGE?

 

Like seriously? That would probably be the worst idea to fix the country possible.

 

Do you know why labor laws were made in the first place?

[HeyYou]

Corporations will always want to make profit and there is simply no profit in paying someone 3x what they could pay someone else for the same or better work. What's the solution?

 

 

This is a false premise. Are you trying to convince anyone that the chinese made products are just as good, or better.... than their american made predecessors????? How old are you??

[grannywils]

I am way too confused by all those quotes within quotes within quotes up there. But I believe it was Stardusk who played the video attempting to place the blame on the minimum wage for all of the problems faced by our poor, poor big businesses. I am thunderstruck :wallbash: .

 

And, I know it was Marharth :thumbsup: who disagreed. Good job on that one Little M.

 

Unfortunately, none of this has anything to do with the topic (Replying to A Mirror of Vietnam). Of course this is no surprise. We are all famous for going off topic, but, I do not want to go any further off topic than we already have. I have already posted on said topic, and just put my 2Cents in above on the ridiculous video..... :down:

[marharth]

Did anyone really expect for the wars to go as "planned."

 

Did anyone seriously think that we would just go in and invade a few countries, capture all of the terrorists we want, then leave within a year or so?

 

What did you expect? Seriously...

 

Also I would prefer for anyone to not refer to me at all if your going to use a purposely insulting nickname.

[grannywils]

Marharth, I apologize for insulting you. It was not intended.

 

 

[SpellAndShield]

Corporations will always want to make profit and there is simply no profit in paying someone 3x what they could pay someone else for the same or better work. What's the solution?

 

 

This is a false premise. Are you trying to convince anyone that the chinese made products are just as good, or better.... than their american made predecessors????? How old are you??

 

Well, don't know if they are just as good but the Chinese sure work harder than most Americans and demand less for their work.

[SpellAndShield]

Just a quick off-topic comment.....

 

Since it is the government fault that most of those folks needed assistance are in the position they are in, don't you think it is the governments responsibility to DO something about it? Maybe we should start another thread on this..... or, is there one already existing??

 

Government has taught the people to be dependent on them...they need to be weaned off the government aid.

 

The government needs to STOP doing things that ENCOURAGE business to export jobs, then, a fair few of those folks on welfare, would be back to work.

 

I agree. Governments chase businesses out of the country with too many regulations, rules and other claptrap. It is infinitely easier to set up a business for example in Hong Kong than anywhere in the US.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of Tax Breaks for moving jobs to developing nations. I will grant that the red tape has gotten pretty thick, but, a fair few of the regulations that corporate america is moving away from here to avoid, are environmental, and worker protections..... without which, you are no better than some of the third world nations that are getting our jobs.

 

Corporations will always want to make profit and there is simply no profit in paying someone 3x what they could pay someone else for the same or better work. What's the solution? Well, minimal wage is universally seen as a good thing but it also prevents people and businesses' from hiring new people, young people and others who want to get a start in life, this is just one example.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMMN3UIQmEk

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING GET RID OF MINIMUM WAGE?

 

Like seriously? That would probably be the worst idea to fix the country possible.

 

Do you know why labor laws were made in the first place?

 

Yes, I am well aware of why labour laws were made, like so much with government force, well intended but with many negative consequences.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQLfPCXIakU

 

Cost of labour is decided by the market, not the all-wise government...government intervention always has good intentions with disasterous consequences.

 

Furthermore, why not make the minimum wage $100 an hour? or $900? who decides what the minimum wage should be and why can't an employee agree to work for $6 an hour? and instead get no job?

Edited August 16, 2011 by Stardusk

[HeyYou]

Corporations will always want to make profit and there is simply no profit in paying someone 3x what they could pay someone else for the same or better work. What's the solution?

 

 

This is a false premise. Are you trying to convince anyone that the chinese made products are just as good, or better.... than their american made predecessors????? How old are you??

 

Well, don't know if they are just as good but the Chinese sure work harder than most Americans and demand less for their work.

 

I have right here in my own home, a set of Revereware pots and pans. These are older than the hills, and were actually made right here in the USA. (they are probably as old as I am....) They are still in excellent condition, are made of high quality materials, are extremely durable, and I love them to death.

 

On the other hand, I have a newer set of Revereware pots and pans, that were made in china..... the materials are cheap, several of the set have already been scrapped, as they broke........ or became useless in some other fashion, due to build quality, not normal usage.

 

There is no way in hell you are going to convince me the cheap chinese set is 'better' or even close to 'equal' to the set made here in the states. Not just no........

 

And americans will work just as hard as any other nationality on the planet, if given the opportunity. Sure, we want more for our labor, but, it USED TO BE, you got what you paid for, and american products were considered "the best" throughout the world. That started sliding downhill quickly in the late 70's early 80's, when the Japanese figgered out that if they wanted to sell cars here, they had to be reliable. (which at that point, they most certainly were NOT.) Have a look at the top ten cars for the last 20 years. You will notice that there are not many american cars, but quite a few japanese cars. (not so much in the last two to three years though....)

 

If our government, in their infinite wisdom..... *choke* *gasp*... sorry, something in my throat..... weren't so beholden to corporate america, and given them every opportunity to move jobs overseas, at the expense of americans.... perhaps we wouldn't have 40 MILLION or more unemployed americans, even while corporate america is posting record profits......

 

Damn, I knew there was a topic in there somewhere...... Think it had something to do with Afghanistan???

 

We could have gotten Osama buddy with a seal team, NOT overthrown a legitimate, if distasteful, government, NOT spent trillions of dollars on a war we can't possibly win, NOT thrown away the lives of thousands of our soldiers, and thousands more civilians, both ours, and theirs. NOT spent billions more rebuilding stuff we just blew up. Etc.