Prejudice

[marharth]

I googled the voting record of the civil rights act and got this.

 

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/183344.html

 

House of Representatives:

Democrats for: 152

Democrats against: 96

Republicans for: 138

Republicans against: 34

 

Senate:

Democrats for: 46

Democrats against: 21

Republicans for: 27

Republicans against: 6

 

 

or this one:

 

 

 

civil rights act

 

Vote totals

 

Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

 

* The original House version: 290-130 (69%–31%).

* Cloture in the Senate: 71-29 (71%–29%).

* The Senate version: 73-27 (73%–27%).

* The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%–30%).

 

[edit] By party

 

The original House version:[12]

 

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)

* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

 

Cloture in the Senate:[13]

 

* Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)

* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

 

The Senate version:[12]

 

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)

* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

 

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[12]

 

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)

* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)

 

[edit] By party and region

 

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

 

The original House version:

 

* Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)

* Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

 

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)

* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

 

The Senate version:

 

* Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)

* Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)

* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)

* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

 

 

I don't really see where you get the idea that Democrats were for the civil rights act and the Republicans were against it.

This is not an attempt to bait you, but provide correct information on the subject you seem to think important.

 

Wither you understand my old man isn't important either. I don't understand him, but that's what me are left with

 

 

but getting back to my query.

 

What I was asking was the nature of prejudism. Where does it come from. What's it's root cause.

 

I used the best resource I could, which was my father. I tried to understand what drove him, based on what my mother told me after he died. I knew he was bitter. I asked him one time why he hated people of other races and he told me that one time he had a job, and he was replaced by an Asian guy that took the job for lesser wages. I don't know if that was an excuse, but that's what it seemed to me.

 

What I was asking is if racism comes out of small minded self interest. A feeling of insecurity, or a feeling of loosing some sort of assumed legitimacy, to those without it?

I don't think that prejudism is in one group or the other. One party or the other. It's seems to be the pet favorite of those that desire it to continue for political or financial gain. They don't care who gets hurt by it. They want what they want, which is power and influence.

Obviously a lot of republicans voted for it, how do you think it passed? They were pressured into doing it. Doesn't mean they supported it all the time during the civil rights era.

 

 

Prejudice is kind of a part of human nature. We divide ourselves into groups. Sometimes they are groups by race, sometimes they are groups by birthplace. Sometimes things are needed to trigger that part of our nature and make us want to divide into groups.

Edited September 6, 2011 by marharth

[Nintii]

Prejudice - For me the turning point came in my life when I once saw a young black kid of no more than 11 or 12 years old being surrounded by a mob of angry white adults.

A foreigner had accused this boy of trying to rob him, which wasn't true at all, the kid had just run past the old man and had accidentaly bumped into him which was mistaken for an attempted robbery.

The boy was sitting on the ground with his hands raised in front of his face as if to protect himself from any forthcoming blows, he was crying, but the people didn't care, they were screaming at him and calling him all kinds of names.

Even the police had come and were pouring out their mockery and hatred on him.

 

Well, my heart broke, I felt such a surge of anger towards them, from that day forward I purposed in my heart to never walk the walk of shame and hate on someone who didn't look like me, or talk like me.

And I'm glad to say that I have really stuck to that.

The so-called Black vs White is not an issue in my heart or mind, I take every one on at face value until they offend me, and then I judge that specific individual and not their entire culture.

 

Unfortunately, when it comes to muslims, I have a bit of a struggle.

Let's just say I do know a lot of muslims and have tried to connect with them but in all honesty that child's birth is still a long way off ... but at least it's a start.

 

Because I don't like compromise I have a difficulty in the whole "live and let live" philosophy, this can be seen as prejudice but I have set my standards.

Now your opinion of my opinion is irrelevant, name calling and scales of intelligentsia are to me like water on a ducks back.

Now, I won't force my standards on you, I'll let you know what they are and you might accept or reject them but that's your choice.

Like I said, that refusal to change is seen as prejudice, though it isn't.

 

Nevertheless, the heart beat of prejudice is fear, deal with your fears and you get to slay the giant.

[kvnchrist]

Obviously a lot of republicans voted for it, how do you think it passed? They were pressured into doing it. Doesn't mean they supported it all the time during the civil rights era.

 

 

You've got my curiosity raised on this one.

 

You say that somehow the republicans were pressured by someone to vote against their will, when percentage-wise there were more republican vote for the act than their were democrat.

 

 

Who pressured them. What was their gain in doing so. I think you are falling for partisan rhetoric, my friend.

[kvnchrist]

Now your opinion of my opinion is irrelevant, name calling and scales of intelligentsia are to me like water on a ducks back.

Now, I won't force my standards on you, I'll let you know what they are and you might accept or reject them but that's your choice.

Like I said, that refusal to change is seen as prejudice, though it isn't.

 

Nevertheless, the heart beat of prejudice is fear, deal with your fears and you get to slay the giant.

 

 

Who said I had a bad opinion of you. I asked for honesty and I got it.

[marharth]

Obviously a lot of republicans voted for it, how do you think it passed? They were pressured into doing it. Doesn't mean they supported it all the time during the civil rights era.

 

 

You've got my curiosity raised on this one.

 

You say that somehow the republicans were pressured by someone to vote against their will, when percentage-wise there were more republican vote for the act than their were democrat.

 

 

Who pressured them. What was their gain in doing so. I think you are falling for partisan rhetoric, my friend.

Are you seriously saying that the republicans were on the side of civil rights?

 

Based on the stuff you posted, there was more democrat votes for it over all. How do you think there is more republican votes?

 

This is seriously for another topic though, I think I answered your question of prejudice.

[kvnchrist]

Obviously a lot of republicans voted for it, how do you think it passed? They were pressured into doing it. Doesn't mean they supported it all the time during the civil rights era.

 

 

You've got my curiosity raised on this one.

 

You say that somehow the republicans were pressured by someone to vote against their will, when percentage-wise there were more republican vote for the act than their were democrat.

 

 

Who pressured them. What was their gain in doing so. I think you are falling for partisan rhetoric, my friend.

Are you seriously saying that the republicans were on the side of civil rights?

 

Based on the stuff you posted, there was more democrat votes for it over all. How do you think there is more republican votes?

 

This is seriously for another topic though, I think I answered your question of prejudice.

 

 

Look man, You brought it up. As i've said you peeked my curiosity. I said percentage wise they have the greater number. You have to look at how many dems and reps there were. The democrats seemed to have had the majority.

 

If you have something against the republicans, take a number along with the rest of us, but the line for having something against the democrats is just as long and includes me as well. Partisanship never got anything done, but the chance to grandstand. I think the Democrats and republicans are the opposite sides to the same coin. A coin made of 100% USDA approved horse manure.

 

The only difference between a person that follows the Democratic Donkey or the Republican Elephant is the size of turd you step in.

[marharth]

Obviously a lot of republicans voted for it, how do you think it passed? They were pressured into doing it. Doesn't mean they supported it all the time during the civil rights era.

 

 

You've got my curiosity raised on this one.

 

You say that somehow the republicans were pressured by someone to vote against their will, when percentage-wise there were more republican vote for the act than their were democrat.

 

 

Who pressured them. What was their gain in doing so. I think you are falling for partisan rhetoric, my friend.

Are you seriously saying that the republicans were on the side of civil rights?

 

Based on the stuff you posted, there was more democrat votes for it over all. How do you think there is more republican votes?

 

This is seriously for another topic though, I think I answered your question of prejudice.

 

 

Look man, You brought it up. As i've said you peeked my curiosity. I said percentage wise they have the greater number. You have to look at how many dems and reps there were. The democrats seemed to have had the majority.

 

If you have something against the republicans, take a number along with the rest of us, but the line for having something against the democrats is just as long and includes me as well. Partisanship never got anything done, but the chance to grandstand. I think the Democrats and republicans are the opposite sides to the same coin. A coin made of 100% USDA approved horse manure.

 

The only difference between a person that follows the Democratic Donkey or the Republican Elephant is the size of turd you step in.

I don't agree with either party, just thought it didn't make sense based on the time period.

 

Have to agree to disagree I guess, getting way off topic.

[grannywils]

OY!!

[greywaste]

You're buying into the "left wing good, right wing bad" thing, there is as much racsim among left wing voters as there is on the right. In this country when traditional Labour voters felt they were not being represented by the party many jumped ship to the BNP, a party full of raving Nazis.

might of been different in the UK, but in the US civil rights were opposed by the republican party and supported by the democratic party. It would not make sense to vote democratic if you opposed civil rights. The party agenda for the republicans was to oppose civil rights, while the party agenda for the democrats was to support it.

 

Ugh... Might have been different, not might of...

Your posts are just so dishonest or flat out ignorant that I don't even bother partaking in lots of the debates here thanks to the trashy and ignorant level you for one drag them down to with posts like this.

 

He stated clearly why he thought his Father voted democrat and it makes perfect sense unless you're a blinkered little demagogue. I'll clarify, not that I should have to since he already clearly explained : The democrats pro union stance was more important to him than their stance on minorities.

 

Simple no?

 

Now, back to the thread - which I think is a goner already to be honest - Everyone carries predjudices of some sort around with them, it's an unfortunate part of being Human.

[grannywils]

Thank you Nintii for your wonderful post, and for your views, with which I heartly agree (except for the Muslim thing, although I guess I do understand).

 

And thank you greywaste for your great post as well. I loved the first part, and only partially agree with the second. I do believe that many of us do carry around prejudices. However, we are not born with them. They are learned. So we can either not learn them or unlearn them if we choose.