CTD when saving outdoors

[Finalize]

Greetings!

 

I have a problem with my mods.. Everytime I go out of a city, eg. walking out of the Anvil city gates (I have open cities) towards the wilderness, and I try to quicksave, the game crashes. And when I try to load the savegame, it says "corrupted save". This happens outside of Imperial City, on the way to chorrol just past Weye as well (haven't gotten to try which other areas, as these are rather big areas to CTD). Could someone more experienced than me take a look at my mod list and see if there's something that would cause crashes like this? It also crashes randomly outdoors.. So any tips to improve the stability will be appreciated! :)

 

Oh, I have ran BOSS and cleaned the .esp files with Tes4Edit.

 

Mod List (from Wrye Bash)

 

Active Mod Files:
•  00 Oblivion.esm [CRC: 2FF840C5] 

•  01 Jog_X_Mod.esm [CRC: C7C58B41] 

•  02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: 47867C56] 

•  03 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.73] [CRC: 7C04DAFB] 

•  04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34] [CRC: C09734F4] 

•  05 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm [CRC: CC95816A] 

•  06 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c] [CRC: 2B6AC3DF] 

•  07 MD_Saddle_Master.esm [CRC: 61FB2F26] 

•  08 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.0.7] [CRC: 82790783] 

•  • • TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp [CRC: 3EAE3D44] 

•  • • TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp [CRC: 7775598C] 

•  09 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.7] [CRC: 6AB8F177] 

•  0A DLCShiveringIsles.esp [CRC: 2BB84977] 

•  0B Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.4] [CRC: F6C1D21D] 

•  0C Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0] [CRC: 8F16A015] 

•  0D Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp [CRC: 48A6FB2A] 

•  0E All Natural.esp [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: 0C2B2233] 

•  0F All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: FA38076A] 

•  10 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1] [CRC: 1464E3CC] 

•  11 OBGE - Liquid Water.esp [CRC: 98001EB9] 

•  ++ Symphony of Violence.esp [CRC: EDFF56A7] 

•  12 MIS Low Wind.esp [CRC: 89E76742] 

•  13 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp [CRC: E2973B88] 

•  14 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: 5A11E6F3] 

•  15 Storms & Sound.esp [CRC: FED72BD5] 

•  16 Rainbows.esp [CRC: EF47B543] 

•  17 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: 544AC04C] 

•  18 WindowLightingSystem.esp [CRC: E7050887] 

•  19 AliveWaters.esp [CRC: B386BB03] 

•  1A Book Jackets Oblivion.esp [CRC: 72E7D241] 

•  1B VanityCameraSmoother.esp [CRC: 0EF8F8E8] 

•  1C ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp [CRC: 56B294D6] 

•  ++ dist_trees_x1_5.esp [CRC: 9D803E29] 

•  1D Camping.esp [CRC: B5CEB776] 

•  1E RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.7] [CRC: D85ED0D8] 

•  1F Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.2] [CRC: D72B3C40] 

•  20 moDem's City Life - BP Compat.esp [CRC: 7CB4C7AB] 

•  21 Crowded Roads Revisited.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: 60DB673B] 

•  22 Crowded Roads Revisited_ChorrolCheydinhal_5.esp [CRC: 2664FE9A] 

•  23 Crowded Roads Revisited_GoldRoad_5.esp [CRC: 4348CD4C] 

•  24 Crowded Roads Revisited_GreenRoad_5.esp [CRC: F7ADD918] 

•  25 Crowded Roads Revisited_YellowRoad_5.esp [CRC: 26FC90D1] 

•  26 Display Stats.esp [Version 2.0.1] [CRC: D0E2047B] 

•  27 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42] [CRC: C4DFF31B] 

•  28 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9.1] [CRC: 00BC8073] 

•  29 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5] [CRC: 2B08755B] 

•  2A Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.3] [CRC: 77CFF085] 

•  2B DLCHorseArmor.esp [CRC: BD0084C5] 

•  2C DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6] [CRC: 00F74B09] 

•  2D DLCOrrery.esp [CRC: 351A3894] 

•  2E DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] [CRC: 9AA76E38] 

•  2F DLCVileLair.esp [CRC: 3B6E3A93] 

•  30 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7] [CRC: 5B9FF91B] 

•  31 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp [CRC: FD5BE3C6] 

•  32 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] [CRC: FF57D0F8] 

•  33 DLCSpellTomes.esp [CRC: 02FA9682] 

•  ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] [CRC: 8CC91BA1] 

•  34 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp [CRC: 9E5A6EA2] 

•  35 ORM -Travelers' Cloaks.esp [CRC: CE626294] 

•  ++ RustyItems.esp [CRC: 724AD376] 

•  36 XSPipeMod.esp [Version 1.2] [CRC: 67510F53] 

•  37 Thieves Arsenal.esp [CRC: 15B69368] 

•  ++ Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp [CRC: 0FDA4068] 

•  38 Slof's Horses Base.esp [CRC: 88D5B807] 

•  39 Dude Wheres My Horse.esp [CRC: 2B8B2341] 

•  3A MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp [CRC: A2B5A83D] 

•  ++ LadyDeadlock_LoveYourHorse.esp [CRC: 88C2ED4C] 

•  3B MD Saddlebags v3.0 Alternative Trader Script.esp [CRC: 628BFB8E] 

•  3C DLCThievesDen.esp [CRC: 7F76D2D3] 

•  3D DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.10] [CRC: 401934BE] 

•  3E Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73] [CRC: 32BE8AD3] 

•  3F Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] [CRC: 8260DFCF] 

•  ++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.73] [CRC: 89E731BC] 

•  40 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34] [CRC: AD2A2935] 

•  41 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72] [CRC: 10345C67] 

•  42 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c] [CRC: 67444B36] 

•  ++ TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c] [CRC: BBCCF288] 

•  43 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c] [CRC: 8E83509F] 

•  44 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c] [CRC: 9171D710] 

•  ++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp [Version 1.39c] [CRC: 64B0C65B] 

•  45 OldCrowInn.esp [Version 1.5] [CRC: 62A83BE7] 

•  46 TheElderCouncil.esp [CRC: 684144E2] 

•  47 thievery.esp [CRC: 238A633F] 

•  48 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2] [CRC: E267D6A9] 

•  49 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp [CRC: 88FECD9A] 

•  4A DLCfrostcrag.esp [CRC: 1A865FE7] 

•  4B DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] [CRC: 5744D6B8] 

•  4C Knights.esp [CRC: 4CB1DF3D] 

•  4D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2] [CRC: 2F15B12C] 

•  4E TOTF.esp [CRC: D8C4B195] 

•  4F RTT.esp [CRC: D07D5179] 

•  50 The Lost Spires.esp [CRC: 8F8965FC] 

•  51 Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp [CRC: B3667F02] 

•  52 Shadowcrest_Vineyard_GuardCOBL.esp [CRC: B12E7757] 

•  53 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.6.2] [CRC: ED074704] 

•  54 NRB4+Vineyard Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] [CRC: D1E2C2DD] 

•  55 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5] [CRC: B948EAE3] 

•  56 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp [CRC: 039926B5] 

•  57 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2] [CRC: FEC083A9] 

•  58 xulTheHeath.esp [CRC: ADDF5F66] 

•  59 XulEntiusGorge.esp [CRC: A900F10A] 

•  5A xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: EF98D162] 

•  5B LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [CRC: 060DF603] 

•  5C TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp [Version 1.2] [CRC: B6F8EFEE] 

•  5D xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1] [CRC: 9C5A7A05] 

•  5E xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2] [CRC: E70A54FC] 

•  5F xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4] [CRC: 64B503C9] 

•  60 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3] [CRC: 750D0226] 

•  61 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1] [CRC: 1E045FF7] 

•  62 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3] [CRC: 98F220FA] 

•  63 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6] [CRC: E541D578] 

•  64 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3] [CRC: 75E2FD36] 

•  65 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3] [CRC: DF776E3A] 

•  66 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: FAEC8265] 

•  67 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3] [CRC: 8C1CDE06] 

•  68 xulPantherRiver.esp [CRC: AD0A3B5E] 

•  69 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2] [CRC: 52A9819F] 

•  6A xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: 9302AD30] 

•  6B xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7] [CRC: 17BE191B] 

•  6C xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0] [CRC: C1C3E5FA] 

•  6D xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1] [CRC: 5FAB540B] 

•  6E TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp [CRC: 8E0E1468] 

•  6F xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2] [CRC: 599BB21F] 

•  70 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1] [CRC: DABED778] 

•  71 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2] [CRC: 478C8B3E] 

•  72 FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp [CRC: 346C23B8] 

•  73 OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp [CRC: 5B675281] 

•  74 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12] [CRC: DE6CC153] 

•  75 OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: C07D7A0D] 

•  76 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.1] [CRC: 321351F1] 

•  77 Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: 24E8AD77] 

•  78 NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 5.0.2] [CRC: 721B9B15] 

•  79 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08] [CRC: 12B26267] 

•  7A Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: FA700811] 

•  ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 17F8B331] 

•  ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 4C040612] 

•  7B Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 6B5C5083] 

•  7C ANB_Portable_Stool.esp [CRC: 8D42BE9C] 

•  7D AutoBookPlacer.esp [Version 3.02] [CRC: 621A4412] 

•  7E Cliff_BetterLetters.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: B26B90A4] 

•  7F Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp [CRC: 00B1CF2D] 

•  80 Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp [CRC: B368B087] 

•  81 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00] [CRC: 6E4F2756] 

•  82 RenCorpseMod.esp [CRC: 6F4AB51A] 

•  ++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp [CRC: 330B9120] 

•  83 Enhanced Vegetation [110%].esp [CRC: 6C28AF0C] 

•  84 tag_NaturalWildlife.esp [CRC: 9B174B73] 

•  85 Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: 801935B1] 

•  86 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1] [CRC: 521FA592] 

•  87 Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0] [CRC: B104B165] 

•  ++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0] [CRC: 65B67B12] 

•  88 Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0] [CRC: A80CD1A4] 

•  89 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp [CRC: DC2B0A47] 

•  8A Alternative Start for Better Cities Fix.esp [CRC: 41A8923D] 

•  8B RealisticFatigue.esp [CRC: FF804F18] 

•  8C Basic Primary Needs.esp [Version 5.1.1] [CRC: D9F0CD15] 

•  8D RealisticForceMedium.esp [CRC: 277BD021] 

•  8E SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90b] [CRC: E17F6184] 

•  8F SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: FA560808] 

•  ++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: D8BF78E7] 

•  ++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: 812F4410] 

•  ++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: 67F2D66F] 

•  90 MidasSpells.esp [CRC: 4874F66C] 

•  91 EnchantmentRestore.esp [CRC: 5AABC7AA] 

•  ++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp [CRC: 8E546E2C] 

•  92 attack and hide harder v2.1.esp [CRC: A284F412] 

•  93 LFox No Trespassing.esp [CRC: CD6C82DB] 

•  94 StealthOverhaul.esp [CRC: A33284D2] 

•  95 Morrowind Lockpicking.esp [CRC: 88095B99] 

•  96 RenGuardOverhaul.esp [CRC: 6FFE50F4] 

•  97 actors_in_charge.esp [CRC: 67B66FC4] 

•  98 SP1stPLegs.esp [CRC: 04938CF0] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp [CRC: C448A6D6] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp [CRC: A4B38403] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp [CRC: 44955665] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - Thieves Den.esp [CRC: 89BABDE6] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp [CRC: 1E930B55] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - The Elder Council.esp [CRC: B28EBB9D] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - Thievery.esp [CRC: E508EE06] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - Lost Spires.esp [CRC: D1885695] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp [CRC: DB916887] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp [CRC: F2869B6C] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp [CRC: 2F86F3FB] 

•  • • Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp [CRC: 07BD3B5A] 

•  99 Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp [CRC: 2745BE37] 

•  9A Beautiful People.esp [CRC: CBA67BB7] 

•  9B Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.0.7] [CRC: 91904417] 

•  9C Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0] [CRC: 92207713] 

•  9D Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.0.0] [CRC: CA4A0499] 

•  9E Better Cities - All Natural.esp [Version 4.9.5] [CRC: C850522C] 

•  9F Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.9.5] [CRC: EC7A3183] 

•  A0 Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp [Version 5.0.0] [CRC: B789A4D1] 

•  A1 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 4.8.4] [CRC: DF0ECB21] 

•  A2 Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 4.9.8] [CRC: CC324F46] 

•  A3 Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp [Version 4.7.0] [CRC: A747F8D7] 

•  A4 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 5.0.0] [CRC: A90BD094] 

•  A5 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 5.1.0] [CRC: FC6C707D] 

•  A6 Better Cities - Thievery.esp [Version 4.8.0] [CRC: CE5FE50E] 

•  A7 Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp [Version 5.0.0] [CRC: 3AF50385] 

•  A8 Better Cities - Old Crow Inn.esp [Version 4.7.0] [CRC: A7374A93] 

•  A9 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1] [CRC: 489B15CF] 

•  AA Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1] [CRC: F3CD0A48] 

•  ++ Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp [Version 4.9.5] [CRC: B6958456] 

•  AB No More Annoying Messages.esp [Version 1.3] [CRC: 975E4BA4] 

•  AC No More Annoying Merchant Comments - Combined.esp [CRC: E2762B09] 

•  AD Automatic Timescale.esp [Version 1.1.1] [CRC: F9953889] 

•  • • [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp [CRC: D9C86B64] 

•  AE UVII.esp [CRC: D958AE6B] 

•  • • NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp [CRC: 7366D355] 

•  ++ OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp [Version 1.03] [CRC: 55B9D683] 

•  • • All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3] [CRC: 8565EC88] 

•  AF Bashed Patch, 0.esp [CRC: 6048D026] 

•  B0 DynamicLeveledLists.esp [CRC: F5E1BCF5]

 

I also have QTP 3 Full v1.3 (and QTP3 UOP32 Comp patch 2.3), as well as obse 20 with the following plugins: Elys_USV, FastExit2, NifSE(1.1), OBGE(3.0.1), Obse_Elys_Pluggy(1.32), MenuQue(v9), sr_Oblivion_Stutter_Remover and weOCPS.

 

Thank you in advance for any tips you can give to let me enjoy this wonderful game without having it crash and be unplayable. :)

[Keirgarth]

Has your game ever been able to quicksave without issues? If so, what has changed since you were able to make the saves? Have you added mods? Have you removed mods?

[Finalize]

I tried to remove QTP3, and it did remove a CTD I got in Waterfront (I checked my VRAM usage and it used 2GB of Vram! :D Crashed straight to desktop.) But removing QTP didn't remove the CTD I get when quicksaving. And the quicksave works in cities, and did work in wilderness before, and I don't think I've installed any more mods.. OBGE Liquid Water does seem to clip and bug outside Imperial City, though, and it might be the cause.. I must experiment.

[MShoap13]

look into QTP3 Redimized or Textured Normal Maps. Both greatly increase the appearance of the games environmental textures and they're a lot less graphically demanding.

[Finalize]

I've managed to track down the largest problem, crash on save. It seems that Tamriel Travellers caused the problem, as after de-activating it, I no longer get the CTD on save. My load order was correct and everything, so I think it was a conflict with another new mod. Or then I just messed it up myself (I did clean it with tes4edit). Who knows.

 

Well I'm very happy to try and play without the mod, and see if there's gonna be more big problems ahead. But now it seems good! Lets try it :)

 

Thanks for the help and suggestions, I did move from QTP3 to GTP3R. Still hogs up a hellufa lot of VRam with all my mods on :D

[Finalize]

Update!

 

Travelling deeper into the wilderness (by road, actually) caused my game to CTD on save again, even with Travellers turned off. I experimented with disabling mods, and found the culprit - Dynamic Leveled Lists. I had increased the set DLLpatrolExteriorCutoffDistance to 20000, and it seemed to be the cause. I have it lowered on 12000 now, and the game seems to work fine. I have Travellers disabled still, but Crowded Roads Revisited is on.

 

The reason should not be my CPU or anything, as I have a rather high-end PC.

 

Will update here if the game CTD's still, just so anyone having a similiar problem might find some info.

 

e. Update2: It seems that lowering the ExteriorCutoffDistance did -not- remove the CTD, only made me able to save for a few seconds later than with it on 20000. I supplied a bug report to DLL's creator.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Finalize

[z929669]

Update!

 

Travelling deeper into the wilderness (by road, actually) caused my game to CTD on save again, even with Travellers turned off. I experimented with disabling mods, and found the culprit - Dynamic Leveled Lists. I had increased the set DLLpatrolExteriorCutoffDistance to 20000, and it seemed to be the cause. I have it lowered on 12000 now, and the game seems to work fine. I have Travellers disabled still, but Crowded Roads Revisited is on.

 

The reason should not be my CPU or anything, as I have a rather high-end PC.

 

Will update here if the game CTD's still, just so anyone having a similiar problem might find some info.

 

e. Update2: It seems that lowering the ExteriorCutoffDistance did -not- remove the CTD, only made me able to save for a few seconds later than with it on 20000. I supplied a bug report to DLL's creator.

[z929669]

@Finalize

 

I am having a similar issue with CTD/save corruption just outside of Anvil, and I am pretty sure that Tamriel Travellers is either directly or indirectly involved. I describe details at this post.

 

Do recall having sold any of your items to a TT merchant or whether your CTDs began after doing so?

 

Cheers