blaharg Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) I recently (re)modded Oblivion with almost every half-decent-looking mod I came across. As far as I can tell, there are no detrimental conflicts (according to mod authors and BOSS). The game seems to load up fine, and start a new game okay (with a minor bug - see notes at the bottom of the post). However, whenever I try to load a save, even after just starting up Oblivion, the save loads fine, but freezes 0.5-3 seconds after completion, and doesn't recover. Here is my mod list from Wrye Bash (It is VERY large): Reveal hidden contents • 00 Oblivion.esm [CRC: 2FF840C5] • 01 GTAesgaard_2.esm [CRC: 4879BE23] • 02 DibellasWatch.esm [CRC: AC17B7FF] • 03 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3] [CRC: A9327E88] • 04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72] [CRC: 8284D0E6] • 05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33] [CRC: 6EDD6168] • 06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.5.5b4] [CRC: D4559C8C] • 07 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm [Version 0.9.8b5] [CRC: BD0D4055] • 08 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm [CRC: D5332060] • 09 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.0.7] [CRC: 82790783] • 0A bookplacing.esm [CRC: 7F643419] • 0B CM Partners.esm [CRC: 7846D36B] • 0C ScreenEffects.esm [CRC: 2CD79EDB] • • • Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53] [CRC: EE36BE6B] • • • Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] [CRC: 1BF099CF] • 0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.7] [CRC: 6AB8F177] • 0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp [CRC: 2BB84977] • 0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.4] [CRC: F6C1D21D] • 10 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0] [CRC: 8F16A015] • 11 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp [CRC: 48A6FB2A] • 12 All Natural.esp [Version 1.3] [CRC: 868A1717] • 13 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3] [CRC: 77EDBF04] • ++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3] [CRC: 8198FCB1] • 14 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1] [CRC: 1464E3CC] • 15 OBGE - Liquid Water.esp [CRC: 98001EB9] • 16 Better Bell Sounds.esp [CRC: DBF0A1F2] • ++ Symphony of Violence.esp [CRC: EDFF56A7] • 17 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp [CRC: 0DEF6521] • 18 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: 5A11E6F3] • 19 Storms & Sound.esp [CRC: 09B00C16] • 1A All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3] [CRC: C4C01327] • 1B IWR - Windows Lights Shutters - Optimised.esp [CRC: 3B43DAFA] • 1C Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp [CRC: 8C50B45D] • 1D Bedrollsanyone.esp [CRC: 44E94E4B] • ++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76] [CRC: A17792E6] • 1E Living Economy.esp [CRC: 1CA226D3] • 1F Living Economy - Items.esp [CRC: 926E7E36] • 20 Cutthroat Merchants.esp [CRC: 5DCDC3A3] • 21 ScreenControls.esp [CRC: CFB19C48] • 22 Streamline 3.1.esp [CRC: 25C25D60] • 23 DLCHorseArmor.esp [CRC: BD0084C5] • 24 DLCOrrery.esp [CRC: 351A3894] • 25 DLCVileLair.esp [CRC: F6AA0209] • 26 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp [CRC: 012FC3AA] • 27 Sounds of Cyrodiil - Mehrune's Razor Add-On.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: AF30D21D] • 28 DLCSpellTomes.esp [CRC: 02FA9682] • • • Book Jackets DLC.esp [CRC: 615C603B] • 29 Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp [CRC: 5BDBCFC2] • 2A Drake Knight Armor and Weapons v1.0.esp [CRC: 4FCCB3AE] • 2B Dread Knight Armor.esp [CRC: F01D74ED] • 2C Dungeon Explorer.esp [CRC: 2EB40C56] • ++ FineWeapons.esp [CRC: 142E8A74] • 2D Hiyoko_Store.esp [CRC: 21E5777E] • 2E MODRoadRogue.esp [CRC: 01C044BA] • 2F NexonsArmoryENG.esp [CRC: 92B06D1A] • ++ RustyItems.esp [CRC: 724AD376] • 30 samurai.esp [Version 04] [CRC: 28079B7D] • 31 Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp [CRC: A83ECBCB] • 32 Tyrael Armor.esp [CRC: DCD652D4] • 33 Underworld Armor.esp [CRC: EF753FE3] • 34 Thieves Arsenal.esp [CRC: BA019B87] • 35 R18PN - Eisen Platte Armor.esp [CRC: E3AB34AB] • 36 DLCThievesDen.esp [CRC: 6A549C41] • 37 Sounds of Cyrodiil - Thieves' Den Add-On.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: 91615B81] • 38 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72] [CRC: 055AFC51] • 39 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] [CRC: F7ADF908] • ++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44] [CRC: 905EBDCE] • 3A Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33] [CRC: E61266C3] • ++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33] [CRC: 5FD2D492] • 3B OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp [Version 1.33] [CRC: 788EADC4] • ++ OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp [Version 1.33] [CRC: 1560A30A] • 3C Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp [CRC: BDCB364D] • 3D Alluring Wine Bottles.esp [CRC: 508BAB72] • • • OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 2.0] [CRC: 6F998DD2] • 3E Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp [Version 0.9.8b5] [CRC: 9EA77FAE] • 3F Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.5.5b3] [CRC: FEEBC89F] • ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.5.5b4] [CRC: D85A362B] • 40 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.5.5b4] [CRC: C680740B] • ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp [Version 3.5.5b4] [CRC: AB996E29] • 41 Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp [Version 3.5.5b4] [CRC: 532655AE] • 42 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.5.5b4] [CRC: F0571FFA] • 43 Nightshade_Armor.esp [CRC: 46F7F77A] • 44 Trade and Commerce.esp [CRC: C0E12302] • 45 AkaviriSamuraiShop.esp [CRC: 3A7B5ACA] • 46 CuteHalloweenCostume.esp [CRC: A37F7521] • 47 JapHouseUpdateed.esp [CRC: DB77D4AA] • 48 Zira's Demonic Mounts.esp [CRC: 9DF09DA0] • 49 AlchemistsCave.esp [CRC: F4778323] • 4A BladeSong.esp [CRC: 1BA05EFA] • 4B BrotherhoodRenewed.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: 2BF0DE8D] • 4C DibellasWatchAdditions.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: 4938CC55] • 4D DWAnvilTransport.esp [CRC: 336E657B] • 4E EM_RedRoseManor.esp [Version 1.1] [CRC: 04A696D9] • 4F EMRedRoseAddonCOBL.esp [CRC: B606EC16] • 50 Gift of Kynareth.esp [CRC: E63F845E] • 51 HentaiLovelyHouse.esp [CRC: 0CB6ED7A] • 52 GlenvarCastle.esp [CRC: 36DA462B] • 53 LordKain_Adash_World.esp [CRC: EE167C46] • 54 Malevolent.esp [CRC: 61CAE0F7] • 55 Dans-Necromancy.esp [CRC: E82B9B3D] • 56 Lich.esp [CRC: FAD8CF31] • 57 The Initiative.esp [CRC: B59DAF20] • 58 Necromancer Shop.esp [CRC: 17A460A6] • 59 GTAesgaard.esp [Version 1.3] [CRC: E8F9347F] • 5A GTAesgaard_2.esp [CRC: C70D972A] • 5B Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: 359858B6] • 5C Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp [CRC: B6F5D6A8] • 5D Rise Of A Samurai.esp [CRC: 5DBC40B2] • 5E Romuska Fantasy Store.esp [CRC: F62A90F2] • 5F Scribe Supplies.esp [CRC: 242FB184] • 60 Servant of the Dawn.esp [CRC: 10560774] • 61 ardah.esp [CRC: 0BF0510B] • 62 SunderedKeep.esp [CRC: C146931A] • 63 Tchos Alchemy Tower.esp [CRC: B1D0C725] • 64 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4] [CRC: 5BF74798] • 65 Valenwood Improved.esp [CRC: 3FD41465] • 66 1SB_VampireHaven.esp [CRC: 130177FB] • 67 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp [CRC: 88FECD9A] • 68 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp [CRC: D425C4F3] • 69 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp [CRC: BEE27F25] • 6A DLCfrostcrag.esp [CRC: 1A865FE7] • 6B FrostcragRebornCobl.esp [CRC: 868DAC91] • 6C Knights.esp [CRC: 7D14C032] • 6D Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: 663D97FD] • 6E TOTF.esp [CRC: D8C4B195] • 6F The Lost Spires.esp [CRC: 931896D8] • 70 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp [CRC: 84150604] • 71 HoarfrostCastle.esp [CRC: 4AD3D447] • 72 MannimarcoComplete.esp [CRC: CD5B8818] • 73 MannimarcoRevisited.esp [CRC: CF7B5D7F] • 74 MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp [Version 0.1] [CRC: 5057FEA6] • 75 MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp [CRC: 7FCC00E4] • 76 Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp [CRC: B3667F02] • 77 BrewHouse.esp [Version 1.5.2] [CRC: 58EC1770] • 78 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp [CRC: 0CB19423] • 79 HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.5] [CRC: 79087454] • 7A ColdstoneDT and HOTDead Patch.esp [CRC: A94ECE65] • 7B Sounds of Cyrodiil - HOTD Add-on.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: A3E1DECE] • 7C mythsandlegends.esp [CRC: 86B0A727] • 7D HentaiMania2.esp [CRC: F659B46B] • ++ HentaiMania2_Merged_Nightmare.esp [CRC: CADD3173] • 7E Castle_Seaview.esp [CRC: 70D2656D] • 7F Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp [CRC: A67E4087] • 80 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08] [CRC: 12B26267] • 81 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp [CRC: B02B5753] • 82 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: FA700811] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 17F8B331] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 4C040612] • 83 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] [CRC: 6B5C5083] • ++ Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp [CRC: 054E19B7] • 84 LTDVampireOverhaul.esp [CRC: DFF0ADFE] • ++ LTDVampireOverhaul - Vile Lair Compatibility Patch.esp [CRC: 53FD5DC7] • 85 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90b] [CRC: E17F6184] • 86 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: FA560808] • ++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: D8BF78E7] • ++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: 812F4410] • ++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: F97BDB3C] • ++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: 67F2D66F] • 87 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: 95F3D5C4] • ++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: 0FD90101] • ++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.90] [CRC: 6D793919] • 88 MidasSpells.esp [CRC: 1FB27B78] • 89 FearsomeMagicka.esp [CRC: 4105F024] • 8A dyseso_Alchemy_Potion_Perks.esp [CRC: 11C279E2] • • • Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp [CRC: 87A8497C] • • • Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp [CRC: A4B38403] • • • Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp [CRC: 44955665] • ++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76] [CRC: A2113EFB] • 8B ScriptEffectSubduer.esp [CRC: 5EA884FD] • 8C Demoness.esp [CRC: A0197D14] • 8D Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: 03CDF9A3] • 8E Nec Mystic Dark Elf-Remake.esp [Version 1.0] [CRC: 8A36E14E] • 8F _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp [CRC: 04295125] • 90 Elves Of Lineage II.esp [CRC: B5116605] • 91 DesuChan's Dolls.esp [CRC: 9A9AFD0D] • 92 Lattamer.esp [CRC: 7B32D527] • 93 Ancient Elven Sorceress - EV.esp [CRC: 49588DB4] • 94 Kani's Elves.esp [CRC: 5FDCFC54] • 95 Minionz.esp [CRC: 8FC2816B] • 96 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 3.0] [CRC: 965AB691] • 97 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52] [CRC: AA29DCA8] • 98 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.0.7] [CRC: 91904417] • 99 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.0.0] [CRC: CA4A0499] • 9A Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.0.7] [CRC: 98843268] • 9B Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.0.0] [CRC: 3FD1CEE5] • 9C Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1] [CRC: 489B15CF] • ++ OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp [Version 1.33] [CRC: 7AD033AE] • 9D UVII.esp [CRC: 3144EC1B] • ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] [CRC: A066EBDE] • • • All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3] [CRC: 26FF9B00] • 9E Bashed Patch, 0.esp [CRC: FD2BB5E4] • 9F DWIngameMap.esp [CRC: 5E808755] Just in case it's not apparent in that list, I'm also running: Reveal hidden contents OBSEAlgoholFastExitNifSEOBGE v3OBGE Standalone EffectsOBMEOBSE USVOBSE RefStuffPluggy Dev v132UOPUOPSUSIPweOCPS With an exception or two, these are all up-to-date (those that aren't, aren't required to be by the mods that use them). If anyone wants exact version numbers though, I'd be happy to look them up. I'm also running a couple texture packs/replacers (QTP3 being the most notable). NOTES: -All of the mods that required cleaning according to BOSS have been cleaned -Bashed patch was build using BOSS tags, and mods tagged for merge by Wrye Bash have been merged. All checked by hand, twice. -This is my third time trying to install with all of these mods. The first time resulted in default eyes being solid black, so I reinstalled. Not sure if the bug was present then, but most likely was. The last two installs haven't had the black eye bug, but both had this issue with the freezing after loading a save. -In the first install, Oblivion started new games fine, until I tried to alter things to fix the black eyes, which resulted in UV2 and some other mods popping up messages just after clicking "New", but before loading began. This didn't occur in the second install, but seems to be happening now after I deactivated and deleted one of the MMM esp extras that apparently conflicts with OOO (something about combat variables or somesuch). -I wasn't using UOPS, USIP, or weOCPS for the first two installs. I thought one of them might fix the issue... but alas. -I do have a somewhat vague install order written down, if anyone wishes to see it. If anyone has any help to offer, I would much appreciate it! Edited October 3, 2011 by blaharg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaharg Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 Bump... No one has any thoughts on how to fix this, other than going through and disabling each mod one at a time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I would start with some of the OBSE plugins....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaharg Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 On 10/6/2011 at 9:14 PM, HeyYou said: I would start with some of the OBSE plugins....... Care to elaborate? o_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 There is a limit to how many plugins you can run...... I don't know what the exact number is. I have seen some debate on the use of weOCPS...... it may have a side result of corrupting savegames....... (I don't use it....) RefStuff has been pretty much integrated into OBSE, are you using any mods that specifically require it? Some versions of OBGE have been seen to be problematic as well. If nothing else, make sure you have the latest and greatest versions of those..... Same with Pluggy. Roll back to the latest stable version. (your current version is the development version......) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I have been using Wecops since it first came out with no corrupted saves. Through several playthroughs with various mods and on both Winxp 32 bit and then Win7 x64. Actually I have never had a corrupted save at all, used quick saves, save on travel, save on rest, overwriting a save many times, over 1000 saves in a game etc. also used streamsave for a while (part of the streamline mod) and never a corrupt save. Maybe I've just been lucky. :tongue: I would try first try running with most of those utility programs disabled. OBSE and OBMM should be OK. Next add back Wecops and fast exit as those are all used by quite a few people with no problems. Then the others one at a time. Let us know what you find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaharg Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Thanks for the posts guys! I did some things... The main of which was removing OBME, which appears to be the cause. It seems only Dan's Necromancy uses it. While I do like the idea of that mod, it seems a lot of people have trouble with it, so I'll just have to scrap it. As for Pluggy, I noticed a log that comes with the Dev v132, stating it "can" cause CTDs on save load. However, Fearsome Magicka requires that AND Refstuff. While I've NEVER had problems with these three before, is there any workaround to get Fearsome Magicka working with Pluggy v125 and no Refstuff? Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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