This is what happens when you support console modding.

[Danneyo]

 

 

I fear

 

Don't fear something that was pulled out of a tinfoil briefcase.

 

 

People said the same thing before Bethesda tried to monetize modding.

 

Do you really think that idea was shelved forever?

 

 

I'm sure they will, at some point in the future, attempt that again. However, you're making these assumptions based on things that don't involve them at all.

 

Occam's Razor. The option with the fewest variables is correct. And conspiracies don't fit well in that model.

[Doom1991]

Those fans... I suggest them send their death threat to Bethesda, cos they fail to create a game world to deliver a good story in a perfect way, after all it is because the vanilla game design sucked big time, I have to achieve my satisfaction after installing 60 esps , and play in fear with CTD risk...

You do get that death threats are a serious crime and anyone can call their local police to have them track you down. Pretty much how it goes is, (the person calls the local police on a death threat) (the police then issues a warrant for the website to give them their IP, location, info and so forth) (the police then contacts law enforcement in that persons area or country issuing the persons arrest). I've already reported two people to the police for death threats and one person for DDoSing me. The person that DDoSed me was confirmed sent to jail and the other didn't go back on the site again (Most likely the police warned the person, probably the person being underage and stupid about the law).

[LadyLuck777]

 

 

What do you give up exactly by uploading an Xb1 mod?

This is the thing a lot of people are just ignoring.

 

There's no reason really simple things like texture swaps, companions, new items, settlement additions, etc can't be on console too. Other than just spite. I understand if someone can't test it themselves due to being on PC only, but reach out to console people and ask them to test or just flag your mod as untested. People on console would be more than happy to take a chance with something than not have it at all, I think.

 

Stuff like ENBs, mods that need script extender to work, that's not going to happen on console. People will have to deal with it. And I think they will, it's just the idiot Dewritos crowd harassing right now. They'll all drop off for the most part once mods are out and they realize it's not going to happen.

 

But I think forsaking consoles from having even the simple stuff completely, just to spite people, is completely childish and it honestly disgusts me.

Have you though that maybe authors don't want to deal with people like you in their support thread and private messages? Being rash and accuse mod creators of jerk moves is seriously not a way to go and yet I see tons of post like that on bethesda.net (dating pre Xbox1 official launch!!!). How many people like you come here, make a new account just to have their first post exactly like yours? This is something that neither uploaders or supporters want to see here. We had here fairly decent supportive community build over the years which was encouraging modding. Console community is not there yet and with how things are only time will show if they ever be.

 

 

It takes time to keep tracks of everything and upload updates and fixes on multiple platforms, especially when most mods are WIP. Being constantly questioned by people that have no grasp on how the mods work or are made is not easy to handle. Nexus has much better technical structure for managing your mod page, since it was made with modders in mind. Bethesda.net is messy at best. You can't manage anything on that site properly. PC mods are just added there as an afterthought and have links to Nexus mod page. Nexus doesn't support console modding and I don't see why mod authors should host their own sites to provide better support. If you don't like it, go bug bethesda to fix their site. Even the load times are terrible.

 

 

I don't know if people are aware, but some modders had their work removed from bethesda.net for uploading files flagged as Xbox1/PS4 too soon. Also there were complains about how long it takes to upload on that site. Sometimes the file is broken (bad compression, not all files being packed, CK crashed and when recreating the changes someone made a mistake, etc) and needs a fast fix. With how the console community reacts to any issues with a mod, we can clearly see they want a polished and finished product.

 

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/RGkguoR.png

 

Because of that people will rather postpone uploading anything there untill they are done with their project. On Nexus everyone are considered beta testers and with exception of few rare cases, they all know what it means. If someone is being an idiot or harassing anyone, his comments can be hidden by mod author or moderator.

Because of that? You literally singled out 1 comment and tried to sum it up to console users being what exactly? As many people post rude comments on Bethesda.net you'll see twice as many being polite, all this proved was the op being overally sensitive to a comment when he literally said himself all he was uploading was his "dumb" mods and when he got a rude response back his reply was "console users won't see support from me" lol. Anyway console users are ignorant when it comes to mods why would people expect them to know what's possible and what's not possible? I have seen some annoying responses from console gamers where I just wanted to say b&@*$ don't you read I swear some people on there have never heard of a description and will ask a question that has already been answered and then another person will do it and then another person. Edited June 3, 2016 by LadyLuck777

[BlackRoseOfThorns]

 

 

 

I come from, and will support unto the death, the PC master race. I have never been a modder, but have worked on the team that designed the Unique Landscapes mods from Oblivion...way back when. Console Schmucks are just...Console Schmucks. Don't listen to them...don't even help them.

 

I can't even take this seriously.

 

http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i53/5/4/19/frabz-Pitchfork-Mob-ready-and-waiting-253c36.jpg

 

 

You don't need to. But you just have to respect it.

 

No, we don't have to respect it. See, this is the problem and it's with society as a whole. It's the segmentation and vilification of the "Other". In this case it's because someone simply chooses to play games on a different machine, either because of available funds or because of ease of use. This tribalistic attitude doesn't help anything or anyone, it just seeks to further divide.

 

 

I suggest we just start ignoring him from now on. Not being able to see things from different perpectives is such a bad trait and you can hardly reason with people like that.

[BlackRoseOfThorns]

 

Because of that? You literally singled out 1 comment and tried to sum it up to console users being what exactly? As many people post rude comments on Bethesda.net you'll see twice as many being polite, all this proved was the op being overally sensitive to a comment when he literally said himself all he was uploading was his "dumb" mods and when he got a rude response back his reply was "console users won't see support from me" lol. Anyway console users are ignorant when it comes to mods why would people expect them to know what's possible and what's not possible? I have seen some annoying responses from console gamers where I just wanted to say *censored* don't you read I swear some people on there have never heard of a description and will ask a question that has already been answered and then another person will do it and then another person.

 

 

See you got everything wrong and it seems you made that first post on this forum to start a fight. This was a response to that particular poster and it said nowhere that whole console community is bad. However the fact is that bethesda.net is a mess, without means to edit post section and you will see a lot of offensive comments from people like that guy without means to filter it. If you had calmIy read the whole post, you would see that I'm pointing at lack of proper tools on bethesda.net. Without those authors will have hard time getting through to users and helping them mature in a way they are interacting with each other. Posting praises and thanks has nothing to do with it. Ofc it will boost morale, however there is much more to posting on mod page. Authors need reliable input on their mod performance and sometimes they like to brainstorm with users, but on occasions they won't take any request and specify that in their log. On Nexus you can include on your mod page all needed information to prevent useless questions and make things clear for the users. On bethesda.net it is limited.

Posting "Don't download, it sucks." doesn't help mod author to find and fix a bug. Neither does downvoting. On Nexus we have multiple technical support threads avaible for each single mod. Authors try really hard to provide flawless content, but it's not possible for amaturers to keep their work bugfree 100% of the time.

 

If someone deosn't feel like dealing with bethesda.net in current state, we cannot force them to go and upload their personal work there.

Edited June 3, 2016 by BlackRoseOfThorns

[crimsonmatrix]

What informative purpose does this thread serve? With the exception of Grimm's post on the first page, I've not seen anything informative or enriching in the last 8 pages.

[KataPUMB]

 

Because of that? You literally singled out 1 comment and tried to sum it up to console users being what exactly? As many people post rude comments on Bethesda.net you'll see twice as many being polite, all this proved was the op being overally sensitive to a comment when he literally said himself all he was uploading was his "dumb" mods and when he got a rude response back his reply was "console users won't see support from me" lol. Anyway console users are ignorant when it comes to mods why would people expect them to know what's possible and what's not possible? I have seen some annoying responses from console gamers where I just wanted to say *censored* don't you read I swear some people on there have never heard of a description and will ask a question that has already been answered and then another person will do it and then another person.

 

Please don't misread it or take it out of context, what i ment when i posted that comment was nothing more than contribute with a proof of what i think is happening. I have more childish bad comments if you like they're not hard to find.

 

And of course there's people polite in Beth.net, in fact i've seen a lot of comments that encouraged me to keep doing mods for consoles, but what you usually get even if your mod is good/bad/dumb or whatsoever is harrasment. IDK from where it comes or why but i've uploaded 4 files this week and the first 5-10 comments are usually people being rude or demanding stupid things, then the comments normalize a bit but yea, it's something that just occurs, something that in nexus i can stop or i find people that helps me with problems or i just can understand why is that harrasment happening (Bad mod / something went wong in the upload / something it has been done by another one before/ reasons)

In beth.net i'm quite defenseless, so yea... i really don't care a s#*! of those comments so i'll keep posting mods i do and i love to do but i can understand why some moders prefer to keep posting only in nexus and forget about beth.net

[tartarsauce2]

I'm going to address both sides of this discussion, I don't feel like taking sides, rather I'd like to advance the discussion, or at least bring awareness of some topics on the outward borders that affect it, and could help resolve what seems an implaccable impasse, or at least show how big it is

AND TO OFFER THE PROSPECTS OF A "QUALITYIST MOVEMENT" (quality-ist as in we're bigoted against low quality things) - this is a WIP, and I'm excluding mods from this, because I'm not talking about trashing mod authors here, far from it, mod authoring is one of the areas where perpetual beta is basically the norm and I support this situation as "proper" with the full regal, imperial flourish - like if someone was going after mod authors for this, I'd call them plebs lol, put them in their place if they want to make everything all criss crossed like backwards~
what I'm talking about as low quality are finished things that are demanding but give very little (but there's no one sure fix to any of it)

I've been interested to see how this is going to turn out especially since people are still a little butt hurt over the paid mod fiasco.

 

I kind of fall on both sides of the issue.

 

On one side, as a PC player, I think that console players can never truly grasp the notion that modding is something that takes a ton of extra effort on the players part. Console player, like tatter said, are extremely convenience oriented. They will expect mods to be plug and play and I'm sure that a lot of us will agree that it just does not happen that way in the slightest. You have to consider load order and as more and more mods start rolling out we will have to start cleaning our mods and master files like we did in Skyrim. Modding is, by nature, a difficult beast to overcome and to expect mod authors to make them plug and play is just stretching it if you ask me. Can you imagine the out-lash console players are going to start at mod authors if their mod requires third party resources like F4SE or ENB.dev? I can just hear it now, "Your mod sucks, you need to make it work for everyone because I'm to lazy to build my own PC". If it does work however you can color me impressed because I think the console crowd is going to be extremely limited to the number of mods they have access to and their is going to be a s*** show because the Console crowd doesn't get everything the PC crowd has.

 

Now on the other hand, I can see the console players point of view and I think Hero made an excellent point. Just because there will be all these limitations and probable backlash, does that mean we should just say screw you console peasants you should've made a PC if you want to play mods? No, I think branching out the modding community to the console side is a very interesting idea and they can finally stop bitching that they don't have mods (I'm still skeptical that they won't find something about this to complain about). This gives modders a larger crowd and more recognition for all the amazing work they do.

 

I also think that Bethesda should be commended in all of this as well. Yes, they royally screwed up with the paid mods fiasco and I myself was just as outraged as the next player. But they heard us out and almost immediately revoked the service. You think EA or Ubisoft would have done that? They would've laughed in our faces and said screw you were doing what we want. Bethesda has always worked closely with its community and this is just showing that they want to bring all three communities together.

 

This whole console wars thing has got to stop. Were all gamers and while PC gamers I think are a little more hardcore, it doesn't mean that we should belittle people that play console even if it's out of convenience.

 

Anyway thats my little rant, good to see that people are seeing the good that this is doing.

 

Cheers,

Mello

oh, me, I'm tatter, right then, of course it's the guy with doctor stein's avatar that gets this madness

also, to everyone in general, don't forget that the console userbase is a two edged sword in a way, and I do actually kind of like what bethesda's trying to do, their attempts are NOT lost on me
I'm a little unhappy with the state of fallout 4 vanilla because it seems like the world has less interesting things, but I'm happy far harbour makes this stuff matter again more
I have a friend that it shouldn't have taken a DLC to get that, what I view this as is an expression of a crisis in gaming and the world economy in general, and that bethesda's being pushed by market forces that are beyond its control, but instead of being a total dick about it, it's actually tried its near-best to rectify the situation

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? because console plebs, when you sell volumes and units, you can accept a bit of inefficiency that you wouldn't elsewise, I am FULLY aware of the general, age-old dynamic whereupon consoles absolutely ruin PC games, I am NOT saying this isn't in play here, but I want to be very specific about why I'm mentioning the rest and I specifically want to make everyone's knickers in a twist over this, but in a certain way different than usual - for instance, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT CONSOLE SALES ARE ALLOWING US TO BUY THE GAME AS CHEAPLY AS WE ARE? and I know, lol at "cheap" but still....

have you seen everything lately? remember when games went down in price as they got older? do we see that anymore? do we see anything whereby bad games are sold for a few cents instead of more money than good games? I'm not even talking about it happening at all I'm just talking about how expensive they are more and more compared to better games out there

like where has digital distribution actually lead to cheaper games?

there is a REALLY important reason why I wanted to "protect the modding hobbyist crowd" situation, and it's all of this, the prices are not looking pretty, and modding extends playability of a game, and makes it worth buying where otherwise it wouldn't be, I don't want to bash bethesda but if FO4 was just "as-is" I wouldn't want to buy it, I'm almost done playing skyrim, that I'd buy, I will buy FO3 or NV sometime as well as the other FO4 mods
those I feel are probably decent without mods to an extent, although the mods there are kind of "necessary quality of life improvement tweaks" whereas here the mods will generally be content mods that we need more of (it's a different game design philosophy behind this release especially with the gunplay/FPS aspects being more relevant and noticeable etc)


I have no answers for this and I don't want to be a mindless regressive about the whole thing but there's a certain vendetta feeling I'm getting from all of this myself
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I won't lie, feels like the gaming community proper is on the backfoot, we saw Gamergate as a result/revolt against this trend for a reason
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

come to think of it, I was thinking of switching to imperial over the racism bit(and hearing the reasoning for the empire staying intact) in my playthrough of skyrim, but after seeing the stormcloak ending and what they planned to do, I was kind of happy I tolerated their hatred of elves lol - give back to the aldmeri dominion what the aldmeri dominion has given to the rest of us~
and you can't fix something broken by compromising your own integrity - talos is awesome (just a detached generalization on the situation of gaming as it stands, not targeting bethesda here as per what I've already said on the matter in case anyone didn't read it they should)

Edited June 3, 2016 by tartarsauce2

[LadyLuck777]

 

 

Because of that? You literally singled out 1 comment and tried to sum it up to console users being what exactly? As many people post rude comments on Bethesda.net you'll see twice as many being polite, all this proved was the op being overally sensitive to a comment when he literally said himself all he was uploading was his "dumb" mods and when he got a rude response back his reply was "console users won't see support from me" lol. Anyway console users are ignorant when it comes to mods why would people expect them to know what's possible and what's not possible? I have seen some annoying responses from console gamers where I just wanted to say *censored* don't you read I swear some people on there have never heard of a description and will ask a question that has already been answered and then another person will do it and then another person.

Please don't misread it or take it out of context, what i ment when i posted that comment was nothing more than contribute with a proof of what i think is happening. I have more childish bad comments if you like they're not hard to find.

 

And of course there's people polite in Beth.net, in fact i've seen a lot of comments that encouraged me to keep doing mods for consoles, but what you usually get even if your mod is good/bad/dumb or whatsoever is harrasment. IDK from where it comes or why but i've uploaded 4 files this week and the first 5-10 comments are usually people being rude or demanding stupid things, then the comments normalize a bit but yea, it's something that just occurs, something that in nexus i can stop or i find people that helps me with problems or i just can understand why is that harrasment happening (Bad mod / something went wong in the upload / something it has been done by another one before/ reasons)

In beth.net i'm quite defenseless, so yea... i really don't care a s*** of those comments so i'll keep posting mods i do and i love to do but i can understand why some moders prefer to keep posting only in nexus and forget about beth.net

Then I must've misunderstood you, I apologize for that. I'm pretty sure if Bethesda gets requested enough they'll add in the option to delete comments. I thought it was weird when I first went there and the option wasn't there. Even YouTube has it and YouTube feels like the projects of comments section nothing is censored there.

[fftfan]

 

What do you give up exactly by uploading an Xb1 mod?

This is the thing a lot of people are just ignoring.

 

There's no reason really simple things like texture swaps, companions, new items, settlement additions, etc can't be on console too. Other than just spite. I understand if someone can't test it themselves due to being on PC only, but reach out to console people and ask them to test or just flag your mod as untested. People on console would be more than happy to take a chance with something than not have it at all, I think.

 

Stuff like ENBs, mods that need script extender to work, that's not going to happen on console. People will have to deal with it. And I think they will, it's just the idiot Dewritos crowd harassing right now. They'll all drop off for the most part once mods are out and they realize it's not going to happen.

 

But I think forsaking consoles from having even the simple stuff completely, just to spite people, is completely childish and it honestly disgusts me.

 

I can agree with this for the most part although I feel strongly that the default recommendation for console players griping about no script extender based mods, no high res armor/weapons basically not having the full complement of visual enhancements available to a strong PC should remain the same:

 

If you want the complete mod experience you should invest in a custom build PC.

 

The picture is more clear than usual for building a PC right now because we're right at the launch timing of Nvidia Pascal 1000 series, AMD Polaris, Intel's next gaming processors won't be out for a while(they're currently launching Enthusiast 6/8/10 core processors).

 

 

In just 2 minutes I made a complete guide right here.

 

Pick your GPU, based on your budget:

Full Experience: $599 = GTX 1080, Latest and greatest GPU

Mid-High Tier: $379 GTX 1070

Lower to midrange: AMD R9 480X $199/$250

Mid range: Wait for GTX 1060

Processor:

Full experience: i7 6700k = $339

Mid range: i5 6600 = $230 or maybe wait for an AMD Zen

Lower: Wait for AMD Zen or buy like a 4690k.

Monitor: 4K if you bought a 1080 or 1070

1440p if you bought a 1070 and can't stand to play around with the settings or if you bought an R9 480.

 

Get a motherboard that's compatible, a 512GB SSD like Samsung EVO, 1-2 TB HDD for like $50, 16GB RAM with DDR4 for ideal and DDR3 for cheaper, power supply unit with enough power, a case, KB+M, maybe headset and you're done.