Pancakefury Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I was trying to stay out of it, but I'm finding it difficult to keep my mouth shut on this one. Pancakefury your "let's be friends and then you can give me what I want!" approach is socially awkward at best and just plain blatantly manipulative at worst. That's not how friendships work and I think you know that. You're trying to put a friendly gloss over a gross manipulative attempt to get your way without looking like a d-bag. I seriously doubt L0rd0fWar is dumb enough to fall for it and attempting it is insulting to him. Your addition of the "I'll make a donation!" carrot further ups the insult ante and would also happen to violate Nexus site rules. His account is still valid, you're free to donate or not, but holding a donation as a means of trying to get a mod author to do what you want isn't cool. If he went for it, he'd probably get banned. You don't have to like it but you do have to accept that the answer is no. Posting L0rd0fWar's permission for people to share with friends as permission for you to get what you doesn't work either. No one here is friends with you, after seeing this performance I doubt anyone wants to be friends with you. His permission was truly for sharing between friends, with someone people would trust wouldn't violate the spirit of his permission. You have "I want to violate the spirit of that permission" written all over you. You found it on your Russian site, you got what you wanted, and you should probably just stop with the fake friends bulls***. Yea, you probably should have just stayed out of it. As cliche as it sounds, don't cry witch if you don't even know me. Especially if your claims for my intent don't even make sense. It's stupid that I have to defend myself to this extent when I have what I want and I only wanted to the author to hit me up on how to support him but I feel that I must because I'm new here and I do want to make friends but it's a bit harder to do when someone cries witch when it doesn't even make sense. I'm gonna try not to judge you as you have judged me but at least make some sense before you open your mouth. If I'm fake or insincere about my offer and I'm just saying it to get what I want, why the f*** would I still donate to him if I already have what I want? How am I, "holding a donation as a means of trying to get a mod author to do what you want", if I said the offer is still up for friendship and donation after I got what I want? If it was purely out of self-interest, what do I hope to gain by donating after I got the goods I want? I said I'm new to FO4 and here on Nexus. So thank you for pointing out that there is a way to donate to him through Nexus. I thought that it's some external link to PP or Patreon that's on his mod site which has been removed. Which is why I posted for him to message me on how or anyone for that matter. "You don't have to like it but you do have to accept that the answer is no." Have I tried to convince anyone to do otherwise after they said no? The fact that I haven't means I have accepted the answer as a no. Your answer is no but do you speak on behalf of everyone on the Nexus? Yes, I did quote L0rd0fWar but that is to show anyone who may be misinformed as to the wishes of the author. Your version of how friendships are made is not the only criteria. I stated my intent clear from the get go. That may be seem awkward to you but for me, I prefer cards to be laid on the table from the get go. I never stated the conditions of the friendship, only the intent. Meaning lets be friends THEN share. I never said anyone has to share with me in order for me to be friends with them. It's not a condition but an intent. Now that I have the mod, I'm in a position to share it. If someone came to me with this, I would make friends with them. Does it mean I have to share immediately? No. They have to pass my definition of a friend and I have to trust them enough to accept the wishes of the author. Only then will I share. If I don't then I will not share. If they stop being my friend then that shows their true intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancakefury Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Well, how I interpreted what LordOfWar meant when he said he didn't mind 'if you share it with friends' is obviously different to how you've chosen to interpret it.You'd have to ask him to clarify, but my stance is that I will not distribute it to anyone - unless LordOfWar explicitly stated that he was fine with that... and seeing how his statement could be possibly misconstrued, I simply choose to err on the side of caution.I have to disagree with your belief that I'm somehow doing LordOfWar a disservice by taking this stance. My refusal to share his mod (and my belief that this stance is the correct way) does not affect him negatively in any shape or form. I'm surprised that I have to even point this out. Now imagine yourself in a room with a lot of people. You make a request, "if anyone agrees with me, speak up." Then people who disagree with you started speaking up one after another instead. That would be annoying but that would still okay. If they start yelling and "and anyone who agrees with him does not have a shred of respect!" That's when it becomes antagonistic towards the speaker. It's not an interpretation of what "sharing" is but a difference between the definition of "sharing" and "distributing". You can't just use the words interchangeably. There is a difference between sharing and distributing. If I have a newspaper and I meet someone random in a coffee shop, end up striking a conversation, end up having a lot in common and hit off. If he had asked me for the newspaper and I hand it to him. That's sharing. If I stand on the side street and start handing out newspaper to anyone who asked for it, that's called distribution. He said to share between friends but do not upload it to a public site. Uploading to a public site means it gets distributed to anyone and everyone. The difference is, when it comes to something specific as goods, when you don't care who you "share" it to, it becomes a "distribution". If you had messaged me and become my friend, it will come down to you to decide if I'm a real friend or not as time goes on. Even if we had become friends and you still decided that you won't share, that's fine too. If we stop being friends because of that, it would show the true nature of the friendship. In fact, after I had gotten the mod from the Russian website, I only wanted a screen shot of all the files that were in the mod so I can compare it with the one I got and make sure there is nothing "extra". You would have find that out if you had tried instead of immediately assuming that everyone who asks for the mod has malicious intent. As for the disservice, I said it's an opinion but the reason that is my opinion for the simple fact that I want everyone to know how awesome of a modder LordOfWar is. By preventing others from enjoying his mod without even trying to understand their true intentions and on top of that, dissuading others by making negative comments, you inadvertently stop people from knowing how awesome he is. You can't know how awesome an author is without reading his book. By preventing people from reading his book, you prevent others from knowing that. If the author only wishes his book to be "shared" and not "distributed" then what's wrong with finding the people who will abide by the author's wishes? Then again, it's just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancakefury Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Tried to donate to LordOfWar through the Nexus profile. It says the PP is not set up to accept any. Anyone got any idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressor27 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) L0rd0fWar, I'm sorry you had to endure this deluge of bullsh*t from angry genetic defects who wouldn't understand 'courtesy' even if someone wrapped it around a brick and beat them over the head with it. Regardless of your decision to return to modding or not, just know this: you made a lot of folks happy and we greatly appreciate your contributions that, as you said, extended the life of these games for free. And to all of you console v. PC inbreds, I own both because I'm neither broke nor incompetent. Sure, bethnet got off to a rocky start and their interface is still mobile browser-centric garbage, but they've finally given the appearance they give a damn and are knocking out corrupt/stolen content as quick as these theives and idiots can upload it. Your absurd angst relies on the idea that they should be clairvoyant enough to prevent illegal/dirty files before they're uploaded. What does that entail? Creating a flexible filter that scans against the hundreds of thousands of mods for these games and comparing that to some MA opt-in approval/disapproval list? It's either their trash website or no mods at all, lest MS endures a tsunami of bricked systems. Use your heads. Edited October 26, 2016 by aggressor27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertikal Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I salute this act of collective punishment. Doesn't come off as a bit too precious, not too precious at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ5901 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Actually, you can get the Rebel armor via the Mercenary Pack made by him, don't know why he left that mod up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damanding Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Actually, you can get the Rebel armor via the Mercenary Pack made by him, don't know why he left that mod up though.At the time of this thread you couldn't because he hadn't uploaded the Mercenary Pack until later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH3LLSKULL Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 He's got rid of his individual files like the Rebel and put some of them at least into a single mod pack. Herehttp://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20088/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMatt666 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 He's got rid of his individual files like the Rebel and put some of them at least into a single mod pack. Herehttp://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20088/? He removed all his mods from the Nexus about 6 months ago, The Mercenary - Pack, was released in December and is a fantastic mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedlyboy420 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 yeah i think if you want mods then buy a damn pc and leave the modding to the pc world iv been making mods for a few years no and i have not uploaded any because 1 there mostly just things i like and are small game changes nothing big and 2 i would remove all of my mods if some on stole my hard work and up loaded it without my knowing but over all i do have to say no one has copy rights for there mods so there for it is free game if you want to look at it that way but before ps4 and xbox could mod there was never really and problems pc world has a lot of respect for everyone and it was just a blessing for the madders to up load and share there work with everyone but you can still get this mod im not going to post the link but it is still out there i would hurry up and get it before its gone for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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