Please allow Peregrine to post again

[Abramul]

I wish to humbly request that Peregrine be allowed to post again. While his manner may be harsh at times, I am of the opinion that the net effect of his presence was positive, as is evidenced by a number of threads that have shown up since the move.

[Crisb92]

I'll second this one, what he added to the site was amazing, he regulated people, making them think about what they were saying.

 

Please let his prescence engulf us again.

[Vagrant0]

While I would be inclined to agree on both points. He does tend to lean too far toward the extreme too often. This is what, his 3rd time getting banned, or asked to stop posting? While yes, he does back up his attacks with logic, and often makes a good point, how many times do you intend the admins to look the other way or let things that happened be forgotten. Isn't the purpose of a strike system there to keep people from turning the forums into a flame war? What purpose does it serve if someone can just keep coming back? If this keeps happening, what message does that show to others who just see Peregrine's posts as flames? Does the benefit really outweigh the cost? Maybe it's just time for Peregrine to find a new forum to straighten out, and leave that hole here for someone else to fill (however poorly). It's nothing about Peregrine, it's just that the system would be meaningless if it wasn't enforced, and given Peregrines history, these issues will likely continue to happen. I wasn't aware of a ban, but would assume that the admins have a reason for it.

[TheTerminator2004]

I didn't know he'd been banned either, and if he has been banned, then I agree with Abramul and Crisb. While it's true he may have been more aggressive than everyone would like, you cannot deny that it was effective in maintaining order. He was a positve influence on this forum, and it made it a much more enjoyable place to be.

[Szayn]

Regardless if the community wants him back or not, it would be the administrators' choice. I personally think that the forums need a tweak, but I do not know if it can be done or not.

 

These are my ideas.

 

 

Option A>

 

1) Add a function where administrators can set someone to someone as Peregrine... Logic Flamer as the title or something... Maybe having specific Levels to determine how much it happens as well. Level 1: Logic Flamer, Level 2, etc. might work better.

 

2) Set it so the topic creators can check an option to allow these "Logic Flamers" to be able to post. I am certain that there are a LOT of people that would like to hear from Peregrine, even if he is flaming them.

 

 

 

Option B>

 

1) Add a function like Option A

 

2) Make a specific forum section where people like him can post.

 

 

or Option C>

 

1) Option A and B combined.

 

 

If Option C was created, then I am certain that people would be completely satisfied with this ordeal. This way, people can hear as much criticism as they want. This would also make it so the administrators don't need to work as much on reports for criticism. If these can be done, this would be a great improvement for any forums that holster a community. Also the fact that they wouldn't have to worry about the same person signing up again and again, just to get banned repeatedly.

 

Like I said though, I do not know how forums are operated. I do not know what functions they can or cannot be customized to deal with.

 

I would like to see someone like Peregrine to be able to post.

[Jonlissla]

Peregrine was banned (or whatever) for a reason. Yes, he was kinda smart. Yes, he had logic in his statements. Yes, he could be fun at sometimes. BUT.... the majority of members in this forum are what, 14-18? They come here to discuss games and modding, and even though he was adding contructive criticism, he didn't excactly give it in a pleasant manner. Thus, he faced flaming from other members, and his replies weren't excactly so nice either.

 

But I kinda miss him. He added a bit of spice in this forum. :smile:

 

(Even though this thread is a month old, I gave it shot anyway)

[WoogieMonster]

I did not know the [former] member, but I have to say that if this person has been banned 3 times for "abrasive" behavior, then maybe they should stay gone. When I read the points system, it was my understanding that if I screwed up 3 times that I would be gone. Not if I screwed up 3 times I would be gone, unless I have some friends.

 

I have been a member of several other forums that seem to have a steady flow of outgoing members due to people can not tolerate certain a-holes who never get in trouble because they are popular. This was very evident on the G4 forums where a small group of "popular" posters would brown-nose the mods while degrading everyone else. After a while, they were the only 4 or 5 people posting at all and it stayed that way for nearly 3 months until the shows' hosts took action. I was a very high ranked/respected member of that forum and I was one of the many who left.

 

What I'm saying is "is having one popular jerk worth loosing several other members who get tired of being belittled when they are just looking for help?"

 

As I said, I do not know the person, but I think that gives me the neutrality to speak out, as I have no feelings for or against them and I have seen this situation before.

[TheTerminator2004]

The thing is, if someone asked for help, making it clear what they were trying to do, and asking a sensible question about how to go about doing it, Peregrine was usually quite happy to help. Example.

 

Almost every time Peregrine posted, it was generally the truth. The only thing is where other people would have said "Oh, good luck making that new world twice as big as Cyrodiil, you can manage that easily :) ", Peregrine would have just pointed out the fact that they'd never manage it, the project would fail very quickly, and they may as well just give up now. All of which is the absolute truth, most people just don't say it, they prefer to be nice rather than honest.

 

Just because almost all the people who post threads like that tend to be 11-15 years old, and thus act very immature, absolutely refuse to hear any criticism of their 'best mod ever', and start flaming about it, doesn't necessarily warrant Peregrine getting a ban, IMHO. He was a valuable asset to this community, and one of the few people actually able to deal with threads like this properly, without them degenerating into pointless bickering like that one did.

 

Also, he was great at debating, and I used to have endless fun reading through the threads in the debates forum, which has slowed down considerably since he left, sadly.

 

Anyway, sorry for the long rant, that is, in a long, poorly explained nutshell, why I think he should be unbanned.

[Jonlissla]

All of which is the absolute truth, most people just don't say it, they prefer to be nice rather than honest.

 

Yeah, it's called "rude". :P

I agree with you however, it was nice that he was being honest, and his arguments were... well.... logical.... sort of. :)

 

But I also agree with WoogieMonster (I laugh everytime I read his name :biggrin: ), he didn't really stop when you needed to. Even though he was being flamed, he would continue, and not try to compromise a little bit, so that the flaming would stop.... sort of... :P

[Storm Raven]

Every day I see new people asking the same old questions.

 

There are times when I want to say "RTFM, idiot" but as it has been noted many of the new members are still in their teens.

 

This may be their first experience seeking help for a game on a site we all love, or we would not be here.

 

We are a community and communities that do not nurture their young, do not grow, do not flourish, and do not SURVIVE.

 

Because so many people from so many different web sites linked to TES-Nexus this was my first real stop.

 

(Yes I Googled "oblivion, mods" TES-Nexus was at he top of the first page "you betcha")

 

Had my first venture into this new world been met with sarcastic criticism, (how ever well put, logical, or well reasoned), it probably would have been my last.

 

There are no stupid questions, only stupid (and sometimes arrogant) replies.

 

Search through the Dark Ones posts and you will find a thread where he details a conversation with someone he later banned. You will find he gave this person EVERY opportunity to resolve the issues before he made the final decision to ask this person to move on, to go somewhere else.

 

Read a little deeper into this board and you will find there was a time when the Dark One was very close to shutting it down, because he was so depressed with all the hate mail he was receiving because people didn't like this, or they didn't like that, or why didn't he do it the old way.

 

I learned a long time ago to take a little time to study a conversation before I jumped into it. The same is true of forums like this one.

 

This is not the place to show how witty or sarcastic you can be, this is the place to show how considerate, compassionate, and helpful you can be.

 

I do not know the particulars of this person or why they were banned. I have however taken the time to read a great deal of the material on this site.

 

I can tell you that the Dark One is not on an ego trip here, and I do not think he would put anyone in a position of authority who was.

 

If an individual is doing more harm than good here and refuses to see it and change then they probably should be somewhere else.

 

From what I have seen or read it takes quite a bit of concerted (or conceited) effort to get banned on this board. So no matter how popular you are if you manage to bring it on yourself try to remember that no healthy community can continue to ignore those who harm it for long.

 

Thank you, for letting me have my say, you may all flame me to crispy now, just remember you never know who's watching or what kind of impression you will be leaving them of yourself…

 

Stormraven aka Darkstormraven