Please allow Peregrine to post again

[Abramul]

The ideal would be to have someone who politely explains why a person should use proper English, or do basic research, or whatever applies...but with some people, you have to shout to be heard at all.

 

The key, I suppose, is to chide them in a manner that is not directly insulting.

 

I myself have started a psuedo-automatic generic response file. For instance, this post:

$GenericPost_ExistingTutorial

There is already a tutorial covering this topic:

http://thenexusforums.com/index.php?showtopic=28063

Not insulting, and useful, but the undertone is "Use the search!".

[WoogieMonster]

Here is a [weird] comparison for you:

 

It is freezing cold outside. The friends are coming over to watch the game so you get the snacks ready, you get the heat adjusted just right so that everybody is at least comfortable. Then in the middle of the game, one jerk runs up and bends over in front of the tv and farts.

 

It is horrible. You have to open the windows to let in fresh air (letting out all the heat), some of your guests who were eating the snacks are now feeling sick. People are getting their coats and preparing to leave. This jerk has screwed up your well planned game party.

 

But, one guy in the back of the room is laughing like it is the funniest thing he has ever seen. What do you do now?

 

* Send the jerk home for causing trouble and hope everyone stays.

-OR-

* Tell everyone, "Well somebody likes it when he acts like that, so we should all just deal with it."

 

 

This person broke the rules that we all have to abide by, and paid the price. 3 times. It is being asked that they return, basically because somebody likes to read the barbs they posted. Like I said earlier, bending the rules to bring back someone who has been banned 3 times, sends the message that somebody can be as big of a jerk/troublemaker/a-hole whatever, as long as someone else is entertained by what they post, they get to come back.

 

I read that the debate thread has slowed down since this person has been gone. From what I am learning, I am willing to bet that hostile posts and flaming have also gone down during this absence.

 

(I am sorry this post is long)

 

If you look at the posts of people who are new to the Nexus, a large number of them are people who tried to mod their game, misplaced a file or got a glitch and started to panic. If it were me, I might be too anxious, too frenzied, or otherwise not thinking clearly to realize that there is a Search feature. I see the help section so I ask for help and hope someone reads it before I loose 200 hours of gameplay. If the person who responds to me is an arrogant, self-righteous jackass, then they will never have to worry about helping me again, because I will not be back. And I will probably start telling people on other forums how screwed up this one is.

 

(I really apologize for the length of this post, thanks if you actually read it all.)

[cyronarxes]

I wish to humbly request that Peregrine be allowed to post again.

Why? Do you know how many times he has been banned? What gives peregrine the prerogotive to return. Why should Peregrine be given special treatment in allowing him to return oppossed to the many that are forever barred. To tolerate such immaturity is synonomous to rewarding a petulant and disobediant child.

 

He regulated people, making them think about what they were saying.

Have you ever pondered that certain people no longer post sensless and petulant threads due to the fact that they matured over time or were regulated by moderators opposed to the pseudo conclusion that peregrine was a good influnce on them.

[ResidentWeevil2077]

Believe me, I certainly know how biting Peregrine's words can be, and while I find merit in the things he wrote, I won't like it one bit if he's allowed to return to these forums.

 

He's a troll, plain and simple, but what sets him apart from 'others of his kind', is that his comments were backed up with logic, and I completely understand. But I still don't like him, only because I disagree with him on pretty much everything he wrote, and because he's a troll :rolleyes:

 

BTW, for some of the more recent members, take note that Peregrine used to be a moderator here (back when these forums were under the 'Gaming Source' moniker), but since that was before I joined, I can't really say anymore than that.

 

Also, for anyone who agrees with Abramul, please keep this one thing in mind - if you're friends with a cop, and you commit a crime, your friend can and will throw you in jail. Just because you're friends doesn't mean you get any special privileges regarding the crimes you commit. Think about it. (If you haven't already guessed what I was hinting at, the 'cops' on the forums are the moderators, and the one who committed the crime is Peregrine.)

[hoots7]

Here is a [weird] comparison for you:

 

It is freezing cold outside. The friends are coming over to watch the game so you get the snacks ready, you get the heat adjusted just right so that everybody is at least comfortable. Then in the middle of the game, one jerk runs up and bends over in front of the tv and farts.

 

It is horrible. You have to open the windows to let in fresh air (letting out all the heat), some of your guests who were eating the snacks are now feeling sick. People are getting their coats and preparing to leave. This jerk has screwed up your well planned game party.

 

But, one guy in the back of the room is laughing like it is the funniest thing he has ever seen. What do you do now?

 

* Send the jerk home for causing trouble and hope everyone stays.

-OR-

* Tell everyone, "Well somebody likes it when he acts like that, so we should all just deal with it."

 

 

This person broke the rules that we all have to abide by, and paid the price. 3 times. It is being asked that they return, basically because somebody likes to read the barbs they posted. Like I said earlier, bending the rules to bring back someone who has been banned 3 times, sends the message that somebody can be as big of a jerk/troublemaker/a-hole whatever, as long as someone else is entertained by what they post, they get to come back.

 

I read that the debate thread has slowed down since this person has been gone. From what I am learning, I am willing to bet that hostile posts and flaming have also gone down during this absence.

 

(I am sorry this post is long)

 

If you look at the posts of people who are new to the Nexus, a large number of them are people who tried to mod their game, misplaced a file or got a glitch and started to panic. If it were me, I might be too anxious, too frenzied, or otherwise not thinking clearly to realize that there is a Search feature. I see the help section so I ask for help and hope someone reads it before I loose 200 hours of gameplay. If the person who responds to me is an arrogant, self-righteous jackass, then they will never have to worry about helping me again, because I will not be back. And I will probably start telling people on other forums how screwed up this one is.

 

(I really apologize for the length of this post, thanks if you actually read it all.)

 

While it is not my place to decide who is allowed back or not (only Dark0ne has that authority & it’s really only his business anyway), what you wrote does make a lot of sense to me.

This would apply to anyone, not just a particular person who we may or may not agree with.

MEAN PEOPLE SUCK period….. No matter how smart they are or how much I may agree with them.

 

That being said, I am always open to anyone who is truly willing to make a change.

[FritzDerochebrune]

What's this? After months I return to the Forums to see my arch-enemy has been banned (or something like that)?

 

Just kidding. Although Peregrine and I clearly aren't friends of each other, I never considered him my enemy. I know as none other that his words are well-chosen and wise, because of the many debates we had.

 

It doesn't surprise me however that he got banned... His strong will to never end a debate in a tie or a loss, resulted in a stuborness sometimes. I recall a topic about Heaven and Hell, where some member explained he had a dream. Although I won't tell the details, (wouldn't want to restart that discussion here) he and I strongly rejected eachothers theories. As the debate continued, I reallized we where having a forbidden debate in the discussion-area. I wanted to end the debate, ending it with a compromise. However, he did not want to hear that, and thus the topic was closed.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything personal against Peregrine. However, my meaning is that everyone, no matter how wise, cute or anything else (s)he is, should be subjected to the same laws. If I break them, Dark0ne may toss me out as well. And Peregrine clearly broke the rules several times. I only want to say I trust Dark0ne's judgement, and if he banned Peregrine it won't be for nothing. I support Dark0ne 100%.

 

Cya

 

Fritz

[Xeniorn]

I think he should be allowed back but although I've never seen a single post written by Peregrine that I deemed offensive, I believe that Dark0ne should be the one to know best what's good for his site. Unfortunately, there are much less fans of the Almighty Hellbird than there are people who can't stand him/don't like him - so for Dark0ne it might be a loss of potential profit - as his profit is proportional to the number of people that are visiting his site. I miss his posts and the feeling that someone's watching with its strict glare but there's no point in debating about it. Dark0ne should just write *YES* or *NO* - end of story.

 

I do believe Peregrine has been adding significantly to the quality of these forums. I also believe he had done some things he shouldn't have done. Only one person can decide which side prevails.

 

Oh, and Fritz... you misspelled Dark0ne ;P

[ResidentWeevil2077]

I think he should be allowed back but although I've never seen a single post written by Peregrine that I deemed offensive, I believe that Dark0ne should be the one to know best what's good for his site. Unfortunately, there are much less fans of the Almighty Hellbird than there are people who can't stand him/don't like him - so for Dark0ne it might be a loss of potential profit - as his profit is proportional to the number of people that are visiting his site. I miss his posts and the feeling that someone's watching with its strict glare but there's no point in debating about it. Dark0ne should just write *YES* or *NO* - end of story.

 

I do believe Peregrine has been adding significantly to the quality of these forums. I also believe he had done some things he shouldn't have done. Only one person can decide which side prevails.

 

Oh, and Fritz... you misspelled Dark0ne ;P

I agree that Dark0ne is the sole judge of who stays and who gets banned, but I don't understand why you would want the Almighty Hellbird back. I don't think Peregrine had once ever posted something I didn't find objectionable. And I can tell you right now that he has never been a positive influence on the forums, despite what some might say.

[Xeniorn]

I know he was a positive influence for me and I certainly don't think I'm the only one, although, as I stated before, I agree on the fact that there are more people who didn't like him than the ones that did and still do. For me it just felt better with him around.

[WoogieMonster]

I did not know the [former] member, but I have to say that if this person has been banned 3 times for "abrasive" behavior, then maybe they should stay gone. When I read the points system, it was my understanding that if I screwed up 3 times that I would be gone. Not if I screwed up 3 times I would be gone, unless I have some friends.

 

From what I understand, this person was given a second chance, and then even a third chance. The fact that s/he continued the behavior that led to being banned a third time is a direct and flagrant insult to the Owner, Moderators and members of this site. This continued behavior says loud and clear, "I do not care about you or your rules, I will do as I please because you will bring me back."

 

I fail to understand how this question is even still open. Being allowed back again would send a very confusing message. So will all the banned people be allowed back and will they all be given four chances to be jaskasses on the forums as long as they make a good point and have a couple of friends?