My game keeps freezing

[DOVAHKI1N]

Hello,

 

recently, my game has begun freezing and lagging. Doesn't matter what I do, it happens. Just now, I tried resuming the game from my last save (quicksave) and it took about three seconds for a ctd. Tried it again, freeze. Couldn't dismount from my horse, nor enter any menus or look around/move.

Only solution: task manager.

 

Or it simply stutters- freezes for just a few seconds while sound continues - and causes me to lose fights because I can't defend/fight properly.

 

 

 

I've recently deleted about 40-50 mods (some of which might still be on my pc somewhere as zip or rar-files). I deleted all those mods with NMM, using the option "uninstall/delete from all profiles”. Neither of those mods is shown in the NMM menu or in LOOT.

I also downloaded a few more, but I've run Loot (no warnings or dirty plugins) and I've started a new game as well.

 

Since I'm using Alternate Start, maybe you'll need the start option I chose. This time, I chose the vanilla start. After a few reloads, the start sequence worked just fine.

 

 

I have the latest Version of SKSE installed. I use LOOT and NMM to sort my Mods and TES5Edit to clean the files if LOOT wants me to.

 

This is my computer:

 

 

Windows 10

Intel ® Pentium ® CPU G3240@3,10Ghz 3,10 GHz

RAM: 4.00 GB

System: 64 bit; x64-based Processor

 

 

My graphic Card:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750

 

 

My game is located here:

Documents - MEINE SPIELE (a folder I created) - Steam - SteamApps - common

 

My saves are located here:

Documents - My Games - Skyrim

 

 

And my load order:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 RSkyrimChildren.esm

7 7 JSwords.esm

8 8 MFVM.esm

9 9 Nock2Tip.esm

10 a Campfire.esm

11 b ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

12 c Gray Fox Cowl.esm

13 d notice board.esp

14 e daymoyl.esm

15 f ImprovedFishBASIC.esp

16 10 balanceddestructionv4.esp

17 11 iHUD.esp

18 12 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

19 13 Magnetic Eyes.esp

20 14 humans drop human parts.esp

21 15 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

22 16 Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

23 17 dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

24 18 Footprints.esp

25 19 DA-Survival.esp

26 1a CollegeApplication.esp

27 1b JSwords_Load_Screens.esp

28 1c Osare Food.esp

29 1d HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp

30 1e Wolves breathe silently.esp

31 1f RealisticNights.esp

32 20 BabettesFeastBalanced.esp

33 21 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

34 22 RealisticNightsDB.esp

35 23 RealisticNightsDG.esp

36 24 DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp

37 25 SkyUI.esp

38 26 ValsCraftingMeltdownAlpha.esp

39 27 RSChildren - Complete.esp

40 28 RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp

41 29 3DNPC.esp

42 2a Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp

43 2b DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp

44 2c Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

45 2d fallentreebridges.esp

46 2e RealShelter.esp

47 2f RSPatch.esp

48 30 Thieves Guild Redone.esp

49 31 ShenkThieveryOverhaul.esp

50 32 OBIS.esp

51 33 Civil War Overhaul.esp

52 34 Birdsofskyrim.esp

53 35 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

54 36 Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged - Deep Immersion.esp

55 37 marriagemod - alpha v3.esp

56 38 MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp

57 39 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

58 3a Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

59 3b Tougher Traps.esp

60 3c TheFrontier.esp

61 3d notice board - dragonborn patch.esp

62 3e Run For Your Lives.esp

63 3f DragonmournInn.esp

64 40 TheDomain.esp

65 41 ImmersiveStables.esp

66 42 SMIM-Merged-All.esp

67 43 AdalMatar.esp

68 44 HorsesGoneWild.esp

69 45 JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

70 46 Immersive Patrols II.esp

71 47 SFO - Dragonborn.esp

72 48 Dragonbone Weapons.esp

73 49 Dragonbone Weapons - Faster Arrows.esp

74 4a Unique Uniques.esp

75 4b dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

76 4c dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

77 4d dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

78 4e Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

79 4f Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

80 50 suspiciouscityguards.esp

81 51 RuptureCraftSoulGems.esp

82 52 AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp

83 53 Animal Tweaks.esp

84 54 NoAnimalsReportCrimes-DG+DB+AT.esp

85 55 Path of Shadows.esp

86 56 DeadlyDragons.esp

87 57 _admod.esp

88 58 Armour Stats.esp

89 59 UltimateDragons.esp

90 5a Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

91 5b Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

92 5c No Dragon LODs v2 full.esp

93 5d CobbEncumbrance.esp

94 5e DragonEngine2.esp

95 5f AMatterOfTime.esp

96 60 AnonymousPeople.esp

97 61 SleepTight.esp

98 62 TradeBarter.esp

99 63 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

100 64 IHSS.esp

101 65 Alpha wolf_weaker.esp

102 66 Command Dragon.esp

103 67 Better Skill and Quest Books Names.esp

104 68 dragonborn with lute.esp

105 69 CatsInTheDark.esp

106 6a LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp

107 6b LeftHandRings.esp

108 6c RingoftheDamnedWolf.esp

109 6d AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

110 6e Immersive Horses.esp

111 6f Hearthfire IHO Compatibility Patch.esp

112 70 Nock2Tip.esp

113 71 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

114 72 Sleeping Innkeepers.esp

115 73 DSerHorsesRevamped.esp

116 74 Frostfall.esp

117 75 Bandit Patrols.esp

118 76 Catsofskyrim.esp

119 77 TGBC.esp

120 78 Thieves Fences Hiding.esp

121 79 Faallokaar.esp

122 7a daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp

123 7b Sneak Tools.esp

124 7c Dogsofskyrim.esp

125 7d The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

126 7e RWB - Realistic Wolf Behavior.esp

127 7f Hunterborn.esp

128 80 Frontier Fortress Notice Boards.esp

129 81 Thief Encounter Fix.esp

130 82 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp

131 83 iNeed.esp

132 84 Rusheeda.esp

133 85 BP2RabbitFollower.esp

134 86 College lights.esp

135 87 HerbalTea.esp

136 88 Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

137 89 Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

138 8a Portable Campsite.esp

139 8b ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

140 8c yurufuwa_variance_jp.esp

141 8d Purewaters.esp

142 8e iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp

143 8f CompanionsShields.esp

144 90 Omen.esp

145 91 RoyalDaedric.esp

146 92 OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp

147 93 RaceMenu.esp

148 94 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

149 95 UglytheCat1.esp

150 96 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

151 97 da_alternate_start_extension.esp

152 98 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

153 99 ASIS-Dependency.esp

 

 

 

 

In total, I have 154 plugins, 153 of those active (except Skyrim.esm apparently). I have 156 mods in total, all installed. 150 of these are activated and only those 150 are in the load order/bashed patch.

 

how I created my bashed patch (not so sure whether you'll need this, but just in case):

 

 

=> Error: 104 68 dragonborn with lute.esp; could not be merged into the bashed patch (I'm assuming I can ignore this, because all it means is that the mod is not part of the bashed patch)

 

The following .esp files had an orange check mark rather than a green one, because of a different order of the plugin's masters:

22 16 Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

40 28 RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp

70 46 Immersive Patrols II.esp

112 70 Nock2Tip.esp

128 80 Frontier Fortress Notice Boards.esp

151 97 da_alternate_start_extension.esp

 

I did not uncheck any of them and build the patch with them included. I also did not uncheck any other file. Was that correct?

 

When creating the Bashed Patch (using WryeSmash 305(Standalone)), I check-marked

-Merge Patches

-Import: properties

-Import: names

-leveled lists

 

 

As a side note: In NMM in the Plugins Menu, can I now uncheck every plugin that was merged into the bashed patch? (Skyrim.esm is already unchecked...I did not do that, btw). And what does it mean, that every plugin, except SkyUI.esp, RaceMenu.esp and RaceMenu Plugin.esp (black), and Skyrim.esm (unchecked, grey) is colored orange? Anything I need to worry abput? The font, I mean, not the background.

 

 

 

 

 

(I have not created any merged Patches with TES5Edit, since I have no idea how to recognize the files I shouldn't include in NMM. Any advice on that?)

 

I am relatively sure, as with so many problems, that this is a "problem exists between chair and screen"-type of problem, but as I am not very well versed when it comes to technical things, I am asking here. Because I have no idea what I have done wrong.

 

Would it help if I did a complete clean re-install of the game and the mods I want to use? (Or just the game?) If yes, how do I do it? I tried to do that before and ended up having to ask steamsupport for help because my game wouldn't re-install (expired cd-key or something).

 

Thank you all for your consideration.

 

EDIT: I also got this message a few times:

"Skyrim doesn't work.

-stop programm. Warning, unsaved content will be lost

-wait until it starts working again"

 

 

EDIT: following an advice from

Suvanto, I manually changed load order in NMM of the Real Shelter plugins: Real Shelter.esp after daymol.esm and RSPatch.esp right above Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Thank you!

Edited June 4, 2016 by DOVAHKI1N

[Suvanto]

I can spot one common problem from there. Your Real Shelter files are in wrong order. LOOT does not yet place them correctly.

 

Try the following.

Real Shelter.esp after daymoyl.esm.

RSPatch.esp right above Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[DOVAHKI1N]

I can spot one common problem from there. Your Real Shelter files are in wrong order. LOOT does not yet place them correctly.

 

Try the following.

Real Shelter.esp after daymoyl.esm.

RSPatch.esp right above Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

Thank you. Trying it out right away. Does that mean I have to do this everytime after running LOOT? (Not a big problem, just wondering). Also, rebuild bashed patch?

Edited June 4, 2016 by DOVAHKI1N

[Suvanto]

 

I can spot one common problem from there. Your Real Shelter files are in wrong order. LOOT does not yet place them correctly.

 

Try the following.

Real Shelter.esp after daymoyl.esm.

RSPatch.esp right above Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Thank you. Trying it out right away. Does that mean I have to do this everytime after running LOOT? (Not a big problem, just wondering)

 

 

Yes, unless you make exceptions for it. I just move those files manually.

 

I do hope that this solves your problem. I will sign in tomorrow to see if it did.

[DOVAHKI1N]

 

 

I can spot one common problem from there. Your Real Shelter files are in wrong order. LOOT does not yet place them correctly.

 

Try the following.

Real Shelter.esp after daymoyl.esm.

RSPatch.esp right above Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Thank you. Trying it out right away. Does that mean I have to do this everytime after running LOOT? (Not a big problem, just wondering)

 

 

Yes, unless you make exceptions for it. I just move those files manually.

 

I do hope that this solves your problem. I will sign in tomorrow to see if it did.

 

 

It didn't, unfortunately, but it's good to know that I've got those files in order now. One quick LOOT question: unless I add, delete or update mods, I won't need to run LOOT every time, right? And I won't have to rebuild the bashed patch when I change the load order, right? Only when I add/delete/update mods?

 

 

EDIT: just noticed it now, I can't even start the game anymore. Or, I can start, but when I load a save (not even the current one, but the one before that, an auto-save) the game kicks me out, usually when the loading screen is still there. I get this message:

 

"Skyrim doesn't work.

-stop programm. Warning, unsaved content will be lost

-wait until it starts working again"

 

I actually had that message a few times before I changed the load order, so I don't think it has anything to do with that. Just forgot adding it in the initial post, sorry. Will do so now.

Edited June 4, 2016 by DOVAHKI1N

[KirbonatedBeverage]

If you uninstalled mods mid playthrough, you might have some orphan scripts. You could try cleaning your save with this: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

[Suvanto]

Before you continue, it might be best that you make sure that your official master files are not damaged. Try to verify the integrity of game cache with cleared appcache folder.

 

I would also recommend that you backup your configuration files to another folder and redo them as well.

 

If this process does not fix the problem, then at least we know that this is not related to broken master files, or messed up configuration files. Validating files is equal method to reinstalling the game and can even be more through. Full reinstall is usually only required, if you have third party files in your game folders and you can not track them down.

 

I have posted instructions to Steam forums. They are also available there from pinned topic Player spreadsheet, if you need to find them again later.

 

[Quick link] Validating master files
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/535150948617437868/

 

I am very curious about "expired CD-key" problem. I have never heard about such thing before. If the game is correctly added to your Steam account, then it should be permanently available for you.

 

Bottom line is that you should not need to use CD or key to reinstall the game. It should be available for you from Steam servers. If there is some confusion, then make sure to discuss the matter with Steam support. They can see the date and method the game was added to your library.

[DOVAHKI1N]

Before you continue, it might be best that you make sure that your official master files are not damaged. Try to verify the integrity of game cache with cleared appcache folder.

 

I would also recommend that you backup your configuration files to another folder and redo them as well.

 

If this process does not fix the problem, then at least we know that this is not related to broken master files, or messed up configuration files. Validating files is equal method to reinstalling the game and can even be more through. Full reinstall is usually only required, if you have third party files in your game folders and you can not track them down.

 

I have posted instructions to Steam forums. They are also available there from pinned topic Player spreadsheet, if you need to find them again later.

 

[Quick link] Validating master files

http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/535150948617437868/

 

I am very curious about "expired CD-key" problem. I have never heard about such thing before. If the game is correctly added to your Steam account, then it should be permanently available for you.

 

Bottom line is that you should not need to use CD or key to reinstall the game. It should be available for you from Steam servers. If there is some confusion, then make sure to discuss the matter with Steam support. They can see the date and method the game was added to your library.

 

Thanks for the advice. Doing it now. That means running loot again, right? BTW, if I do not change add or delete/update any mods, do I always have to sort my load order each session? And what about the bashed patch? Rebuild?

 

(No, thinking back, it wasn't the CD-Key that was the problem. I had made the mistake of deinstalling steam, too and then I stupidly forgot my logindata, since I had never needed to use it. That was the problem. Not the key. That was only because I tried to get it validated for a different steam account. Which, of course, didn't work.)

 

@Theninjaguy2 Thank you for the advice. I got the program.

 

 

No, I did not delete any mods during a playthrough. However, I did not rebuild the bashed patch later on in the game. The old patch was not activated, however. Still, could that have worsened the problem?

Edited June 5, 2016 by DOVAHKI1N

[DOVAHKI1N]

Heads up: started a new game. Seems fine so far (still in Helgen), although it did CTD twice. But at least, no stuttering/freezing...yet.

 

 

 

EDIT: Theres another problem that keeps bugging me:

 

Both Hunterborn and Real Shelter don't seem to recognize Frostfall (version 3.0.3).

 

Hunterborn doesn't have "Frostfall loaded" toggled in it's compability section and Real Shelter "Cannot Detect Real Shelter: Frostfall" in it's options menu in the mcm.

 

Frostfall itself does seem to be running just fine, though.

 

 

2nd EDIT:

 

Heads up: started a new game. Seems fine so far (still in Helgen), although it did CTD twice. But at least, no stuttering/freezing...yet.

Well, scratch that. The Game freezes and CTDs and stutters. :(

Edited June 12, 2016 by DOVAHKI1N