A Suggestion to Prevent Mod Theft

[bben46]

I suppose those clueless lawyers have to do something to justify their salary. Or at least make it look like they are doing something even it is causing grief to other people.

[Royhr]

Well dealing with a corp like Beth means dealing with lawyers and lawyer talk instead of simple common sense. I mean you get numerous reports of a mod that is pirated and you just sit there and do nothing at all? Yes I understand that things can happen a snail's pace when dealing with a corporation but again we are not talking about paid mods so what's the big deal? I worked many years for a corporate IT and it would get frustrating to invoke any changes even if only a slight change was required. But my god just have decent 24 hour mods that can at least have the ability to put a mod on hold until they can figure out if complaints about it being pirated can be determined as true or not. Doesn't sound that difficult to me. As far as having 24 hour mods? Well Nexus does it with all volunteers so why can't Beth figure it out? I'd bet that they would have a lot of qualified people willing to mod for them as volunteers.

[TimeLadyKatie]

There's a whole lot of hate for the legal profession in this thread that is just baffling.

 

Are lawyers stealing your mods? If the answer is no, mayhap some misdirected anger is at play here.

[RS13]

I think the discussion of whether thieves could *fix it* misses the point. The point is that Bethesda will err on the side of caution. If mod *might* contain nudity or say killable children (there's another option everyone could make Nat killable), Bethesda's gonna take it down, even if the mod non-author says it's been cleaned. After all, the only way Beth could make sure is by checking every such mod. But that would require work. Besides, they'd also know the mod was stolen. Why bother checking if the stolen mods also violates other policies.

[marcmorr6]

I don't think you even need to go that far. Cartographers used to do something like this all the time, to the point that the terms "trap street" and "paper town" are reasonably commonly understood. Bury something in your code to prove it's yours, anyone copying that code copies your 'signature' and the fraud is easily exposed. The problem becomes getting people to care. I would presume Bethesda and Nexus would both want to protect the intellectual property of modders simply to avoid the fiasco that sprung up around Steam paid mods and the vitriol that still simmers between Valve and the modding community writ large.

 

I've noticed, though, that certain folk have taken to the idea of finding interesting concepts on here and Reddit and declaring those concepts as their own before a mod sees release. In this instance, I'm certain that the populace won't give two heaps of radstag droppings about where an idea originated - simply provide your mod the best you can and stay strong in this instance.

 

The legal reality is that ideas cant be copywrite protected. Concepts can be stolen so long as the actual specific work is not. This is something I have real world experiance with.

[MasterMagnus]

I suppose those clueless lawyers have to do something to justify their salary. Or at least make it look like they are doing something even it is causing grief to other people.

 

Wow guys.

 

Show me on this dolly where the bad lawyer man touched you.

Edited June 7, 2016 by MasterMagnus

[marcmorr6]

@Qbit Yes Beth COULD implement a workable system. Unfortunately they seem to have no interest in doing that. Instead they are allowing lawyers who have no clue how the community works, and probably don't even play 'kiddie' games, to invent a system based on US corporate legal BS.

Real world laws remain in effect even in cyber communities. If you want better cyber protection laws, write your congressman.

[xmushimasterx]

Is it possible to create a script to search for something specific to a console such as the A/B/Y/X buttons on an xbox. I'm sure you cant tell by a get button press command or anything but can you tell the script to wait for a texture to pop up on the screen and if it equals the name of an xbox texture (ex: Button_A.dds) then execute the script. the script could just be a large black ui screen saying this mod was made for pc, not console.
just a thought, I know some html and java but havent messed with papyrus.

[ashtonx]

Is it possible to create a script to search for something specific to a console such as the A/B/Y/X buttons on an xbox. I'm sure you cant tell by a get button press command or anything but can you tell the script to wait for a texture to pop up on the screen and if it equals the name of an xbox texture (ex: Button_A.dds) then execute the script. the script could just be a large black ui screen saying this mod was made for pc, not console.

just a thought, I know some html and java but havent messed with papyrus.

You do realize pc gamers also use gamepads ?

[tartarsauce2]

piracy vs antipiracy has little to no relation here except the vast numbers of people, but this is merely a factor in many factors as bacon pointed out this isn't where a greedy soulless corporation is trying to hogwash everyone into giving them money for nothing
it's literally either the mod author doesn't feel like adding it to console or someone else is ripping their works, and it's not some limited liability corporation behind the work it's a single person, as that person, not as robot automatron 297052961936 in cubicle 13750130650 (because in a way noone cares you're a real person when you get into collective structures for the purposes of the topic in question on a given thing and for purposes of philosophy I'm okay with this to an extent)

the only issue with F4SE is it seems like it's unstable, I know I don't use it for that reason, but then understanding loads and conflicts isn't my forte as I'm still having significant issues, but heh
alternatively someone did suggest doing something that bethesda.net won't allow in the mod so that it's an automatic takedown on the basis of the topic if it's reported

knowing nudity mods being pretty popular one wonders...
someone should put in a developer's resource to be able to kill a kid, like make it just this total developer's resource, standalone, that you just flat out add to the thing, so that anyone that takes it is easily proven to violate the thing or not
so someone should upload a standalone "kid you can kill" and then give it to everyone as a modder's resource as a form of "nexus protection" as it were facilitating fast bans and reports
it could be a kid in vault 111, it could be someone in diamond city, it could be anywhere really as long as you can technically get to them, put it on the bridge of the prydwen even
who knows, point is if it has it, then it's not allowabe

Edited June 8, 2016 by tartarsauce2