children dying

[MidbossVyers]

Yes, just completely pass me by.

 

Apologies I didn't see your post.

 

I'm not familiar with the Grimoire Girls you speak of.

Well, if you played Demonbane, you'd kinda know. Grimoire girls is just my personally given nickname for 3 of the characters. Besides, you should have gotten my point with my vampires and elves example.

Edited November 9, 2011 by MidbossVyers

[superjeno]

i didnt understand that example...

you could make the kid's clothes lootable, just give them full covering undergarments.... that way you can steal a rich boy's clothes and give em to a poor orphan :P would be funny :P

[krikkit_elder]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but in fallout 2 (wayyy back in the day) children were not treated any differently. I remember accidentally killing one (he got in the crossfire when I was wiping out his town, I swear!). The game however then became basically unplayable as gangs of bounty hunters would track you down, ambush you and seriously mess with your day (like 8 guys with miniguns and rocket launchers vs. you). This was the developers essentially saying, yes, you can kill children, but good luck to you if you do. An interesting way of dealing with the moral dilemma I think.

[Sanbru]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but in fallout 2 (wayyy back in the day) children were not treated any differently. I remember accidentally killing one (he got in the crossfire when I was wiping out his town, I swear!). The game however then became basically unplayable as gangs of bounty hunters would track you down, ambush you and seriously mess with your day (like 8 guys with miniguns and rocket launchers vs. you). This was the developers essentially saying, yes, you can kill children, but good luck to you if you do. An interesting way of dealing with the moral dilemma I think.

 

 

That is how they should do it.

 

Kill kids in town or city, then return to face this:

 

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/images/simpsons-mob-torches.jpg

[LilBudyWizer]

Oops, hehe, didn't realize we were talking about in the game. I just want to be clear I'm firmly against killing children in computer games.

[sistergoldring]

I would never play a game that showed or supported children being killed. There are enough sick freaks in the world already without giving them a virtual world to indulge themselves in. This is one instance for me in which immersion can go jump and as a mother I feel pretty strongly about it!

 

Just food for thought.

[obliviron]

What I don't understand is why people are so concerned for children in games.

Let me clarify that, actually - they are NOT children.

 

They are pure code, renderer code to see the pixels in real time, script code for their actions and items, and voice acting.

They are NOTHING more then that, think about it this way: You are killing millions of 1's and 0's.

Obviously, that must be immoral and unjustified!

 

Now, the reason Bethesda cannot add children is because, as someone already explained, that they will be bombed with the Adults Only rating, meaning 50% (Totally random, but the meaning is there) of stores will lock Skyrim out.

Why did they add children? No idea. The added realism from children is canceled out, and the realism of the game is decreased even more.

I don't disagree with the fact that Bethesda decided to make children unkillable, but adding them in the first place was a questionable idea.

 

For the people who think that children symbolize real children, and killing them symbolizes killing real children, that's just an opinion.

I can think that children symbolize oranges, which would be completely irrelevant but once again the meaning is there.

 

Edit: I love killing children. Take that. Now If I said that on national television, I'd be bombarded with death threats and other friendly messages.

The truth is, I don't go out of my way to kill children, nor do I go out of my way not to kill them. A game like Skyrim should offer you a full spectrum of choice, and they're not doing it.

 

And for finality, don't force your opinions down other people's throats.

Killing children is bad.

Killing children is fine.

If you don't want to kill children, quite simply, don't partake in this discussion. Make your own thread and title it "children not dying - yay".

That's just my take on the argument.

Edited November 11, 2011 by obliviron

[Beestonian]

So I have two Hypothetical Scenarios.

 

1. If you went to Never land and found a group of people who became immortal whilst in a Childlike state. They've grown up mentally and socially, but not physically. They've gone through all of the hardships that comes with adult life and (depending on whether they've actually reached adolescence) had children of their own (It happens.)

 

Is the line drawn between the act of killing an under 18/16/14 year old or is it simply an appearance thing? Or is it a case of being /As represented/ under 18/16/14?

 

2. Is it the ability to do the act that Bethesda is trying to stop the player doing, or is it the possible association with reward for doing so? (For example, kill a kid to prevent him from telling on you for killing a Hobo, that substantiates as a positive consequence of killing a child for the player and ding ding ding ding ding Bethesda gets blamed.)

 

Perhaps it requires that Mob Mentality for the player to understand the 'Wrongness' of that action. I'm talking beyond the Fawks nooze and the bad press, but literally the moral repercussions of glorifying - vs - making available - vs - making available and condemning an action through the game mechanics. Can you have the game take a neutral stance on doing the unthinkable?

 

Because if it's a neutral stance that will also get Bethesda a bad rep, that's *censored*, because in the real world, Children DO die, whether we morally support it or not. The simple truth is that it still happens. In an extreme case you can say that we are all indirectly responsible for the death of children by buying this game instead of giving it to poor, starving Ethiopians (Very, very extreme example, I'm not saying it's true, but it's food for thought especially for you, Sistergoldring.) If Bethesda Glorified it, which they couldn't, then it would be justified in getting a bad reputation. If Bethesda allowed it but gave strictly negative consequences to the act then it doesn't reinforce the players actions, and Bethesda can't be held accountable because they've acknowledged the wrongness of the act.

 

Anyway. Just my two dollars (given inflation it's probably only worth 2 cents anyway in the current U.S market)

[Wolbryne]

don't despair, a mod will come along shortly and offer to make children killable for you. always does. check this out fallout 3 killable children(rated adult content, don't click the link if you shouldn't for any reason(disclaimer to prevent ban ;) ))

is that what you had in mind?

Edited November 11, 2011 by Wolbryne

[Korodic]

I would never play a game that showed or supported children being killed. There are enough sick freaks in the world already without giving them a virtual world to indulge themselves in. This is one instance for me in which immersion can go jump and as a mother I feel pretty strongly about it!

 

Just food for thought.

the game technically doesn't support or promote killing children, neither do people who play the mod. They just like to have total immersion or a sick humor. But again, I say humor, killing a child in real life obviously is unacceptable. Anyone who kills their child because they did in skyrim would already have been f*'ed up in the head. know what I mean?