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Individual freedoms are not stolen by force of arms, but are taken piece by piece to allow everyone to get used to the idea.

 

How long will it be before there are additions to steam TOS. Each individual encroachment is small and easily digestable, but where will it end?

Compulsory scanning of all storage media every time you turn on your computer?

Licences for games, only one copy on one computer?

 

 

I strongly resent this intrusion on my rights.

 

ozi

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Only slightly relevant, but here goes:

 

 

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/music_drm.png

 

 

I, too, wish Steam were a bit less intense with these measures, but the cycle of "piracy --> stricter digital countermeasures --> more pissed off paying customers" doesn't really have an end. There's no other choice but to accept the TOS and suck it up; and, I suppose, remain vocal about the issue when it matters. I'm optimistic that Valve will keep things within reason, but it doesn't hurt to give them direct feedback on our impressions of the current system.

 

EDIT: I read through the Steam TOS and can't find any part that explicitly states Valve will have access to your hard drive, unlike the Origin TOS...and a Google search only brought up a tech support issue where a user gave them permission to delete some of his games.

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@Arredamaal

There was before before steam & co a second hand business for PC-Games. The second hand market is in my opinion the main reason why Bethesda is using steam now.

 

@Lowk

Their TOS is friendly but it is closed source, has mandatory internet connection (updates, activation), is bad documented, needs extremely long to connect a offline user (I assume they are scanning in this time according the harddisk activation). Doesn't deserve my trust. I am sure after origin is more spread steam is tighten the screw on the users.

 

"Don't do evil" is a motto Goggle once had and look what they are doing now. Valve is no exception it's about business not the customer.

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I always say to myself "It could be worse - it could be StarForce" >.<

 

My biggest issue with this, is I don't think Steam should be a REQUIREMENT at all, unless you're buying it FROM Steam. That being said, Steam I think is a decent enough service, and has it's place...but it shouldn't be a requirement.

 

It is what it is though. they're not going to change it, and it won't be effecting me in a really negative way.

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Oh well...

1. - You have to be online to install the game and get updates for it... that's it really.

2. - It's not invasive. If you want to turn it off, it turns off.

3. - Can't say for sure, but if you have it in offline mode on the tray, it won't take much. I haven't noticed any severe slowdowns on my other Steam games either, even on my extremely crappy laptop.

4. - no

5-6. - It only need to authorize if you install or update the game, then you can turn to offline mode, then you don't have to deal with that ever again... technically. Practically it's more complicated, but overall you don't need stable internet connection all the time during your play or between plays.

7. - You can easily mod the game, the New Vegas modding community is a big evidence how modding can still work.

8. - No, you can still play offline, and if they would go down indefinitely, they said they have methods to give full authorization for your games.

9. - not really

10. - there is but this forum does not like it.

 

 

Overall, really the only valid complaint I can think of is a lack of internet connection, but even for that you don't need to be online all the time, so if you can log in to complain about it, you can log in to activate your product once :P

All this whining about "freedom", "spying", "corporate slaves" are pure nonsense. This is hardly different than losing the CD key for your game you want to install.

If your only complaint that you "have to" use it, might as well deal with it and use it, you have to use Windows to run it on PC anyway...

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There is the problem.

Digestible pieces, one at a time.

 

Scream long and loud or you will soon be paying a subscription (service fee) to use steam.

 

you already need an internet connection to use your own game.

 

ozi

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There is the problem.

Digestible pieces, one at a time.

 

Scream long and loud or you will soon be paying a subscription (service fee) to use steam.

 

you already need an internet connection to use your own game.

 

ozi

Look out, you don't wear your tinfoil hat properly :hurr:

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Individual freedoms are not stolen by force of arms, but are taken piece by piece to allow everyone to get used to the idea.

 

How long will it be before there are additions to steam TOS. Each individual encroachment is small and easily digestable, but where will it end?

 

I agree totally. Too bad most people don't care enough about this kind of thing as long as they have money to buy games and games to play.

 

Well ozi, that first sentence is going to be my new signature here on the forums ;-)

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@Arredamaal

There was before before steam & co a second hand business for PC-Games. The second hand market is in my opinion the main reason why Bethesda is using steam now.

 

Was there? Before Steam/Origin/Whatever there were CD keys and as far as I recall stores didn't take used PC games because the key was either already used/not included/or fake. Maybe I'm not remembering right though. (Slightly off topic: I remember one time I was trying to reinstall Starcraft: Brood War on a new computer and I had lost the CD key, I mashed the keyboard in anger and it accepted it. :tongue: )

 

Edit: Heck I remember going to a store with a friend and they refused to take back a PC game that didn't work, because of some compatibility thing, and they told him he could trade it in only if he got another copy of that same game.

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