Skyrim and Steam? Noob questions incoming...

[babis8142]

There is the problem.

Digestible pieces, one at a time.

 

Please...... You sound like one of those conspiracy theorists. What next Steam is controlling what types of games we play? Or maybe what types of music we hear?

 

Look out, you don't wear your tinfoil hat properly

 

lol that was hilarious

[lespauljames]

Hey all,

 

I use steam, and one thing i notice, is that people complain about it untill the Xmas sales arrive.

 

Truth be told, its no different to EA games' New drm, Uplay, ITUNES, even.

 

take a look at the wiki page,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Steam_games

 

Notice as time goes on more and more Developers and publishers have looked to steam as a carrier, they seem to think it works.

 

Its a safe place to Keep games, add your mates, the games STAY updated. as soon as a new update is realeased ( to steam- usually same day or a day delay) it's downloading and installing.

 

Feel free to add me, Lespauljames. when you do, although due to my gaming pc Dying, im now a Xboxer :(

 

To sum it up, steam isn't all bad, and well worth the benifits if you actively purchase pc games. reaping the rewards over christmas is the biggest moneysink ever.

lpj out

[FoolyFooly]

Steam is only a joke to people who are afraid of anything new. Steam took the relatively niche market that was computer gaming and turned it into a serious, legitimate alternative to console gaming with a huge library of new and old games, fantastic sales, and a great friends service. If you want to pitch a fit about Steam, be my guest. The rest of us will go on using it all the same and if you think anybody is going to give a s*** that you refuse to buy games which use Steam, you're sorely mistaken. The only one losing is you. Edited November 4, 2011 by FoolyFooly

[ravensoul]

Just want to add a few things i havent seen in this thread yet.

Was talk about data collection. a lot of developers does that. Steam does it, EAs Origin does it, World of Warcraft does it, even Windows do. The real question here is actually what do the companies do with the data they collect?

In Steams case they mostly use it for statistic purposes as was already linked earlier. However EA sell the data they collect through origin, and that is in my opinion unacceptable, and that is also what has now increased hate towards steam.

 

I've had my Steam account since 2009 i think, the year Modern Warfare2 came out. I got MW2 but didnt read on the box enough. I was a steam hater back then. But i still spent a lot of money on the game so i just had to swallow and install steam.

Checked later out the store and found some cheap games. Since then i have accepted steam and now own over 200 games on it(most bought cheap on sales).

 

I'm not saying steam is the holy grail or something here. But in my opinion it is the lesser evil.

 

For anyone getting steam for first time now due to skyrim i do want to warn you to NOT visit the store page around xmas. It tends to get expensive when you find good games for up to 80 percent down in price :P

[DyingAtheist]

Is there any word on pre-downloading for Skyrim? I can't that for some issues they can't do it right now, but closer to the date?

It'll kill me to have to wait for it to download on my crappy Uni internet.

[tylitalo]

Is there any word on pre-downloading for Skyrim? I can't that for some issues they can't do it right now, but closer to the date?

It'll kill me to have to wait for it to download on my crappy Uni internet.

 

I vaguely recall reading somewhere that it'll be opened for preload (but not unlocked or playable) on the 8th or 9th.

[Rydan]

Steam is only a joke to people who are afraid of anything new. Steam took the relatively niche market that was computer gaming and turned it into a serious, legitimate alternative to console gaming with a huge library of new and old games, fantastic sales, and a great friends service. If you want to pitch a fit about Steam, be my guest. The rest of us will go on using it all the same and if you think anybody is going to give a s*** that you refuse to buy games which use Steam, you're sorely mistaken. The only one losing is you.

 

Yeah, so Steam downloads are cheap and chic, their spyware* is transparent to the user and you're happy with it. So what? I didn't ask Bethesda to let me download Skyrim, I'm paying for a DVD, I bought a game like any console user would do.

 

Now, if I'm not buying through Steam's online store WHY do I have to install Steam spyware on my pc? When I buy a game on a DVD, my transaction should be complete. Steam complicates the process in that it requires a (fast) internet connection for registration and activation, and to download the rest of the game before I can play it. There's no actual reason why a single player game should be unusable for somebody that purchased it simply because their internet connection isn't good. All of the data should be on the disc.

 

Naturally that also means you can't backup the game you've legally purchased as you can't take it out of Steam, you're not allowed to transfer ownership of a game to a friend, and you cannot resale it.

 

Not to mention the very probable performance reduction due to their monitoring system and to the RSA encryption they're using to lock the game...

 

If Steam simply dropped copy-protected executables with activation keys on my hard drive and then backed off, made everything else optional and let me reinstall as often as I need, it would be ok. Valve could very easily require the activation and nothing more, but they won't, because the intrusiveness is both key to its drm model and to its own self-interests (namely, advertising itself and its store to the consumer.)

 

In short, when I buy a product I shouldn't have to interface with the company in any way again unless I choose (patches, DLCs.) I shouldn't be told how and when I can or cannot use the product. There should be no way whatsoever to revoke from me the products I purchased. DRM is not the solution for piracy. Steam accounts can and DO get hacked and banned for various reasons and I find it unacceptable that the company can unilaterally revoke my purchases.

 

I bought a game, not a license or an account for a MMORPG.

 

( * spyware = Steam's EULA allows Valve to collect and store information related to Steam-based software, even when the client is in offline mode. As soon as you try to update your games the information is sent to their servers. Yes, you can block it with your firewall, but that means you won't be able to update your game. )

[sesom]

After a lot of discussion about steam on different forums I am sure that a lot of postings from new users are made from the steam marketing. (Btw. No I am not paranoid, I worked in the advertising industry and know how it's done.)

 

Reading the last few "pro steam" comments on different forums, it seems the advertising scheme has a bit changed since NV. Now saving the game industry and Indy developers isn't the main argument anymore it is mostly: "steam isn't all that bad, it's the lesser evil".

 

Does this mean steam is on Google's evil route soon? I am pretty sure they are.

 

It can't be said enough:

We bought a single player game! Not a advertising platform, not a license, access to social network, not working DRM, ...

 

Individual freedoms are not stolen by force of arms, but are taken piece by piece to allow everyone to get used to the idea. -- Ozimandias

[anandus]

It can't be said enough:

We bought a single player game! Not a advertising platform, not a license, access to social network, not working DRM, ...

Technically it is a license, of course.

If you'd buy the game it'd cost you millions of dollars :P

 

But I really don't see the problem. There are plenty of alternatives.

You can buy it on Xbox or Playstation, or you can just forfeit buying the game at all, 'voting with your wallet'.

 

Nobody's being forced to buy Skyrim.

 

And no, I don't work for Steam marketing. According to the same logic one could say all anti-Steam posts are from people working for competitors like EA or Gamestop (Origin/Impulse).

Are you working for Gamestop, sesom, I know how it's done in the advertising industry ;) (just kidding of course! :) no flame or offense meant)

[Rydan]

Technically it is a license, of course.

If you'd buy the game it'd cost you millions of dollars :P

 

I've bought lots of games on PC, Sony & Nintendo consoles and I've never spent more than 100 bucks. I'm not buying Bethesda's legal rights, source code or trademarks.