bLakZmOkeareOoouYyye Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I missed the point here... what has begun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb54 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 Okay, I may have honestly missed that in the New EUA for FO4. Would kindly paste that from the EUA? Because I missed that and still did not find it. Thanks ... :smile: 2. GAME MODS; OWNERSHIP AND LICENSE TO ZENIMAX A. Ownership. As between You and ZeniMax, You are the owner of Your Game Mods and all intellectual property rights therein, subject to the licenses You grant to ZeniMax in this Agreement. You will not permit any third party to download, distribute or use Game Mods developed or created by You for any commercial purpose. B. Notice on Game Mods. All Game Mods must indicate that ZeniMax is not the author of the Game Mods with additional language that "THIS MATERIAL IS NOT MADE, GUARANTEED OR SUPPORTED BY ZENIMAX OR ITS AFFILIATES." C. ZeniMax Game Mod Platforms. You may submit Your Game Mods to one or more of ZeniMax’s platforms as designated or authorized by ZeniMax (collectively, "ZeniMax Platforms").You understand and agree that ZeniMax may, but is not required under this Agreement to, validate, review, evaluate, test or screen Your Game Mods, whether or not You make the Game Mods available to ZeniMax for further distribution by ZeniMax by way of a ZeniMax Platform.You understand and agree that ZeniMax does not sponsor or endorse any Game Mods and You may not state or imply otherwise.If You submit a copy of Your Game Mods to ZeniMax, You agree that ZeniMax may, in its sole discretion, make the Game Mods available for download and use by others, including downloads from the ZeniMax Platforms. Game Mods listed in a ZeniMax Platform can be viewed and downloaded by anyone that has received a license from ZeniMax to the Product. You understand and agree that ZeniMax is not obligated to use, distribute, make available or continue to distribute or make available Your Game Mods on any ZeniMax Platform or otherwise and ZeniMax may, in its sole discretion, restrict access to or remove Your Game Mods from any ZeniMax Platform for any reason or no reason at all. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, ZENIMAX DOES NOT ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY FOR GAME MODS OR FOR THE REMOVAL OF ANY GAME MODS OR FOR ANY FAILURE TO OR DELAY IN REMOVING, ANY GAME MODS.In addition, manufacturers of consoles, including without limitation Sony and Microsoft, may refuse to allow individuals to download or use certain Game Mods on the consoles that they manufacture or sell. You may also elect to remove Game Mods from a ZeniMax Platform. If You do so, ZeniMax will no longer make such Game Mods available on such ZeniMax Platform. Notwithstanding the foregoing You agree that (a) ZeniMax may retain a copy of such Game Mods and ZeniMax is not required to delete or destroy all copies of the Game Mods, (b) ZeniMax retains the other rights and licenses granted by You to ZeniMax in this Agreement with respect to such Game Mods, and © Your removal will not affect the rights of any individual who has already downloaded a copy of the Game Mods from such ZeniMax Platform. Thank you ! I do mean that. So now - why is Beth - and I know you do not have the answer... ALLOWING others to upload without permission? I know of 1 case, not L0rd0fWar, that sent a message to Beth about this, proving "ownership", 3 weeks ago. The message has gone unanswered except as the mod author called it: "We got your message and plan to do nothing about it." <- her words not mine. She got this feeling, as the mod is still on Beth's site, 3 weeks later - they plan on doing "nothing" about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bLakZmOkeareOoouYyye Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The only course of action here is to mobilize and attack them with everything we have! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtek Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The only course of action here is to mobilize and attack them with everything we have! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk Haha yeah that might be. Sending such message is also "doing nothing" in a perspective. You may want to bring it in law suit or develop DRM to protect your goods which can be an "action". Or maybe some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bLakZmOkeareOoouYyye Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The only course of action here is to mobilize and attack them with everything we have! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk Haha yeah that might be. Sending such message is also "doing nothing" in a perspective. You may want to bring it in law suit or develop DRM to protect your goods which can be an "action". Or maybe some others. Those are all good actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhanqwa Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 While it will suck, I support any modder's decision to stop uploading and start removing mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb54 Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 Bottom Line: Something needs to happen - or else more and more MOD creators will stop making FO-4 mods because of the theft and unauthorized uploads to Beth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtek Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Bottom Line:Something needs to happen - or else more and more MOD creators will stop making FO-4 mods because of the theft and unauthorized uploads to Beth. That can be also a passive action as "nothing" because 1) it doesn't solve ongoing theft problem 2) nor take down existing thefts, 3) do no tangible harm to anyone because no matter certain mods might be counted as precious than others, there will be more modders making more mods anyway. It doesn't work as a threat enough to hurt the infrastructure. Actually, it seems the company already declared their bottom line in CK 1.5.4 update:"uploading mods to Bethesda.net requires Fallout 4 ownership via a Steam-linked Bethesda.net account" It seems to be a bottom line because they won't need to spend much expense on moderation while most attention-whores will stop theft not willing to risk own Steam account. With some mix of actual moderation, it can be potentially effective since pirates will have to make new Steam account and buy Fallout 4 package every time they get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bLakZmOkeareOoouYyye Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 If bethesda doesn't care about stolen content I might aswell apply double standards and sail to piratebay to download all their games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtek Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 If bethesda doesn't care about stolen content I might aswell apply double standards and sail to piratebay to download all their games Well, I guess that's another reason why the company is launching the net. Currently pirates have had full access to the mods except recent mods loaded fo4e. By making everything under control via Steam and bethesda.net, it gives them a big middle finger. Not to mention potential benefits from full under control. It seems to be a wise movement as a company. But possible mean intentions can be behind. I don't know. Maybe I became overcautious, but it's one nature of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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