Your everyday CTD (in Goodsprings)(please send help)

[azrielmoha]

Hey fellow wastelanders, as the title suggest i'm in a heap of trouble. Whenever i visited Goodsprings, the game went batshit and crash. I'm currently using a lot mods so i could guess its mod related, either something wrong with the load order, missing mesh, bad driver, etc.

Note that before the crash, the game took a fps drop.

 

Here's my load order

 

0 0 FalloutNV.esm
1 1 DeadMoney.esm
2 2 HonestHearts.esm
3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm
4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm
5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm
6 6 ClassicPack.esm
7 7 MercenaryPack.esm
8 8 TribalPack.esm
9 9 CaravanPack.esm
10 a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
11 b Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm
12 c ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm
13 d rePopulated Wasteland.esm
14 e DWCNV.esm
15 f NVInteriors_Core.esm
16 10 NVInteriors_ComboEdition_AWOP.esm
17 11 AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm
18 12 NPC Project.esm
19 13 Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm
20 14 factions reloaded raiders v2.esp
21 15 NevadaSkies.esm
22 16 ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm
23 17 NVStripOpen.esm
24 18 Cannabis.esm
25 19 GRARG.esm
26 1a AWSW.esm
27 1b YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp
28 1c Mission Mojave - Ultimate Edition.esp
29 1d The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
30 1e Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp
31 1f Vurt's WFO.esp
32 20 Primm Reborn.esp
33 21 Novac Reborn.esp
34 22 vault22FloralOverhaul.esp
35 23 CNR_Beta.esp
36 24 TFH Rugged Race.esp
37 25 tkEyelashesFNV.esp
38 26 tkEyelashesFNV_FemalesOnly.esp
39 27 Better Burned Man.esp
40 28 RefinedCasinoPeople&Suits.esp
41 29 DrugsAreBadMKay.esp
42 2a FeelingIrradiated.esp
43 2b Realistic Wildlife.esp
44 2c Sprint Mod.esp
45 2d StripOpenMain.esp
46 2e MMUE-CP-AWOP+NVInteriors.esp
47 2f EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp
48 30 Realistic_Repair_NV.esp
49 31 NPC Project - 188 Trading Post.esp
50 32 Wastelander Pack.esp
51 33 MMUE-CP-Electrocity.esp
52 34 MMUE-CP-rePopulated.esp
53 35 ClearWindows.esp
54 36 RWD-NV v1.4 [No Limbs Explosions].esp
55 37 DeadlierExplosivesNV.esp
56 38 CShotgun.esp
57 39 AK47.esp
58 3a christinecos.esp
59 3b LeatherBackpack - eng.esp
Leather backpack - rus.esp
60 3c NCR Ranger Helmet Neck Cover.esp
61 3d ILO - A World of Pain.esp
62 3e AWOPLowRobots.esp
63 3f MiscItemIconsNV.esp
64 40 IMPACT.esp
65 41 dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
66 42 ILO - GS Shack.esp
67 43 lexx_brahmin-variant.esp
68 44 PowerArmorRevamped.esp
69 45 PA Footsteps.esp
70 46 Delay DLC - DM + HH + OWB + LR + GRA.esp
71 47 WeaponJamming.esp
72 48 MMUE-CP-EVE.esp
73 49 ILO - PipBoy Light.esp
74 4a ILO - NVInteriors Project - AWOP.esp
75 4b ELECTRO-CITY - Imaginator.esp
76 4c UnderwaterFX.esp
77 4d Improved Ballistics Effects V2.esp
78 4e Companion Sandbox Mode3.esp
79 4f BOSCombatArmour.esp
80 50 MMUE-CP-ILO.esp
81 51 NCR Rearmament v1.5 (Lore).esp
82 52 FP gun follows crosshairs.esp
83 53 Reload Sounds.esp
84 54 ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp
85 55 lexx_rifleholster.esp
86 56 Distributed Necklaces and Chains.esp
87 57 Gyrojet.esp
88 58 DEagle.esp
89 59 MaresLeg.esp
90 5a RealisticReloading.esp
91 5b MosinNagant.esp
92 5c StenMkII.esp
93 5d Tommy Gun.esp
94 5e TOZ66.esp
95 5f TheLozza's_Gasmasks_V2.esp
96 60 PowerArmorSize.esp
97 61 TribalWeaponsPackHH.esp
98 62 DeathwishMKI-MRP.esp
99 63 FO4_PipeRifle.esp
100 64 Holster Gear.esp
101 65 NevadaSkies - Western Edition.esp
102 66 TFH Better Authority Glasses.esp
103 67 Big Bears.esp
104 68 Skinny Bears.esp
105 69 Beards.esp
106 6a ImmersiveRecoil.esp
107 6b AWOP-IMPACT-EVE AllDLC.esp
108 6c SuitsFix.esp
109 6d Havok Bouncer.esp
110 6e Ragdolls.esp
111 6f HeadTracking_IK.esp
112 70 DYNAVISION 3.esp
113 71 ILO - Nevada Skies Patch.esp
114 72 ILO - YUP Patch.esp
NevadaSkies - TTW Edition.esp
115 73 NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp
NevadaSkies - Basic Edition.esp

 

Before someone pointing it out, yes i use FCO individual mod because for some reason, my game doesn't go well with the main mod and crashes when starting a new game, and i've use every methods there is.

Edited June 27, 2016 by azrielmoha

[RoyBatterian]

You are using both MMUE and YUP, one or the other. My preference is YUP as it doesn't do extraneous NPC edits and other things.

[azrielmoha]

You are using both MMUE and YUP, one or the other. My preference is YUP as it doesn't do extraneous NPC edits and other things.

Been there done that Gary, still crashes.

[dubiousintent]

If this only happens in Goodsprings, then it suggests something that only loads or initializes in the cell. I know someone else had a large FPS drop there as a result of the Millenia Weapons Mod "cheat chest", but you don't seem to have that. However, it might be something similar (script initialization).

 

Couple of things to ask yourself to help pin it down:

 

Can you load a save from a cell elsewhere and try to walk into the Goodsprings cell to see if the problem happens as soon as you enter the cell, or not until you reach a certain location?

 

If you load a save from a cell elsewhere and then fast-travel to Goodsprings, do you CTD immediately or is there any interval first? A delay is highly suggestive of a script. Immediately suggests something is missing or conflicting, (not likely a master as that should show up when the game loads.)

 

I notice one of your mods is "FO4_PipeRifle". Are you sure it is backwards compatible with FNV (not dependent upon something in FO4 only)? (Just a thought; I don't know the mod.)

 

If your "Ragdolls.esp" is from this mod, it already incorporates "Havok_Bounce" by Fallout2AM according to it's description. Two "havok" mods could be an issue.

 

Other than that, all I can suggest is to run through the checklist in the wiki article "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting Guide".

 

-Dubious-

 

[azrielmoha]

If this only happens in Goodsprings, then it suggests something that only loads or initializes in the cell. I know someone else had a large FPS drop there as a result of the Millenia Weapons Mod "cheat chest", but you don't seem to have that. However, it might be something similar (script initialization).

 

Couple of things to ask yourself to help pin it down:

 

Can you load a save from a cell elsewhere and try to walk into the Goodsprings cell to see if the problem happens as soon as you enter the cell, or not until you reach a certain location?

 

If you load a save from a cell elsewhere and then fast-travel to Goodsprings, do you CTD immediately or is there any interval first? A delay is highly suggestive of a script. Immediately suggests something is missing or conflicting, (not likely a master as that should show up when the game loads.)

 

I notice one of your mods is "FO4_PipeRifle". Are you sure it is backwards compatible with FNV (not dependent upon something in FO4 only)? (Just a thought; I don't know the mod.)

 

If your "Ragdolls.esp" is from this mod, it already incorporates "Havok_Bounce" by Fallout2AM according to it's description. Two "havok" mods could be an issue.

 

Other than that, all I can suggest is to run through the checklist in the wiki article "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting Guide".

 

-Dubious-

 

_Yep, i've tried walking from Primm to Goodpsring, the FPS doesn't happen till i reached the saloon.

-When fast traveling to Goodspring, the game immediately crash as soon the loading screen appeared.

-I'm pretty sure the developer of "FO4 Pipe Rifle" just create a model similar to the FO4 weapon.

-I've tried to disable one of the Havok bouncer esp but for some reason my character freeze and my HUD won't appear, but i'm going to try it again

[dubiousintent]

The FPS drop around the saloon suggests a script initializing. The Millenia "cheat chest" is placed between the saloon and the store, which would strongly suggest that, except you don't have it. I notice you have a number of separate weapon mods. Are you able to pick any of them up in Goodsprings, near the saloon? Anything you first get access to in Goodsprings (from a mod) is suspect.

 

The fast travel CTD tells me you have major conflict problem in that cell. That and the FPS drop are probably related, but might not. Can't tell. (Coincidences are suspicious, but do happen.)

 

Are you using the game auto-save function? If so, see the "Troubleshooting" article referenced earlier about that, section 5.6 "Issue: CTD on interior/exterior/"fast travel" cell change".

 

When disabling the Havok Bounce mod, perform a "clean save" immediately. Then see if the problems with your character and HUD still persist.

 

-Dubious-

Edited June 28, 2016 by dubiousintent

[azrielmoha]

The FPS drop around the saloon suggests a script initializing. The Millenia "cheat chest" is placed between the saloon and the store, which would strongly suggest that, except you don't have it. I notice you have a number of separate weapon mods. Are you able to pick any of them up in Goodsprings, near the saloon? Anything you first get access to in Goodsprings (from a mod) is suspect.

 

The fast travel CTD tells me you have major conflict problem in that cell. That and the FPS drop are probably related, but might not. Can't tell. (Coincidences are suspicious, but do happen.)

 

Are you using the game auto-save function? If so, see the "Troubleshooting" article referenced earlier about that, section 5.6 "Issue: CTD on interior/exterior/"fast travel" cell change".

 

When disabling the Havok Bounce mod, perform a "clean save" immediately. Then see if the problems with your character and HUD still persist.

 

-Dubious-

-I don't think i have any weapon mod that drop anything in Goodspring as i usually go for that spread it content in the leveled list(y'know for immersion and all).

-okay, i have disabled the autosave.

-Okay, i just di8sable Havok bounce.esp without problem.

Haven't check on Goodspring thou.

[dubiousintent]

That point about "auto-save" is that if you had it active, it has already corrupted your save files. The damage has already been done. That is why you are getting the CTDs on fast-travel. You need to go back to a save before you started getting the CTDs.

 

The FPS drop is most likely going to be related to some script. It doesn't have to be weapon or armor related; that is just most common. But scripts are used to add to leveled lists. However, they should only do so once. If the drop happens every time you travel to Goodsprings, then it is something related to being in that area that causes a script to run each time. Like a quest. Unfortunately I can't help beyond that, and I am not familiar with most of your mods. If you can't think of which it might be, then mod isolation is all that is left.

 

-Dubious-

[RoyBatterian]

You can turn the error log in NVSE like so, it can help to diagnose what the problem is.

 

in the folder Data\NVSE edit the file nvse_config.ini , if it is not already present then create it and make you have "hide known file types" disabled in windows folder options.

 

add the following to it

[Logging]
EnableGameErrorLog=1

play your game until the crash

 

The log will be in the Fallout New Vegas root folder, and will have the name falloutnv_error.log

 

You can post this on pastebin and attach a link here to it for analysis.

[azrielmoha]

You can turn the error log in NVSE like so, it can help to diagnose what the problem is.

 

in the folder Data\NVSE edit the file nvse_config.ini , if it is not already present then create it and make you have "hide known file types" disabled in windows folder options.

 

add the following to it

[Logging]
EnableGameErrorLog=1

play your game until the crash

 

The log will be in the Fallout New Vegas root folder, and will have the name falloutnv_error.log

 

You can post this on pastebin and attach a link here to it for analysis.

How do i created nvse_config.ini? as i can't find the NVSE folder, although i have a NVSE/plugins folder outside the Data folder.