LordofWar - 3 Armor Mods Deleted From Database

[AnvilOfWar]

 

Good point. That's why user-base and customer-base are in separate cases. User oriented sites like Nexus and DeviantArt were built on the trust, or let's say the consensus or the belief. While customer-base say same things to customers, the reality has proven thousands times they are not inclined to. They barely meet legal responsibility only when needed in most cases.

We already have the answer. bethesda.net has been avoided solving theft problems for months. Would you blindly expect they will magically change after all these months? Perhaps they will offer the promise of better theft management right before announcing next titles. That time hasn't come yet. So yes, I say the same thing. Blame bethesda.net if you want. But don't blame users including modders who are using the site.

 

So basically your whole stance is that mod authors should bend over and just take it? If Bethesda wants a modding community at all, they need to change and change now, and not later. You are just about a sentence or two away from outright supporting mod theft, which I find revolting. This community DID NOT spring up overnight, nor did it just pop into existence when Fallout 4 was released. It's been going on for 14+ YEARS, Bethesda's willful ignorance of how it has overall worked in this time is telling, they don't give a flaming fart about the community and it shows. You use "User base" and "customer base" like they are any different, no one paid for the use of any mods, however Bethesda featured the game and listed "mods for consoles" as a SELLING point. Which in turn brought in a massive influx of people that have largely no idea how the modding community's trust has been built up over years, however that same influx HAS created some of the most entitled users I have ever seen. They have no care for the modders rights, ACTIVELY disparage authors, steal anything and everything they get their hands on, all the while being cheered on by console users who only care that they are somehow entitled to a new mod.

 

The next chapter will be Skyrim, and I can pretty well state that any active modder will be taking plenty of steps to protect their own works. Besides SKSE requirements, I wouldn't doubt that some of the better mods go "underground" just to prevent another "theft free for all". The problem will be those authors that are no longer active. so who will speak up for them or notice the theft of their work? I know I will point out thieves when I see them, and others are likely too as well. Bethesda needs to take steps now to prevent another repeat of Fallout 4's disastrous console modding launch. There are plenty of other games out there to mod, so Nexus itself would be fine in that regard, you know who's really going to loose, the users that are playing by the established rules, and respect the authors, for when those authors leave due to harassment, and theft. Everyone lost.

[midtek]

 

 

So basically your whole stance is that mod authors should bend over and just take it? If Bethesda wants a modding community at all, they need to change and change now, and not later. You are just about a sentence or two away from outright supporting mod theft, which I find revolting. This community DID NOT spring up overnight, nor did it just pop into existence when Fallout 4 was released. It's been going on for 14+ YEARS, Bethesda's willful ignorance of how it has overall worked in this time is telling, they don't give a flaming fart about the community and it shows. You use "User base" and "customer base" like they are any different, no one paid for the use of any mods, however Bethesda featured the game and listed "mods for consoles" as a SELLING point. Which in turn brought in a massive influx of people that have largely no idea how the modding community's trust has been built up over years, however that same influx HAS created some of the most entitled users I have ever seen. They have no care for the modders rights, ACTIVELY disparage authors, steal anything and everything they get their hands on, all the while being cheered on by console users who only care that they are somehow entitled to a new mod.

 

The next chapter will be Skyrim, and I can pretty well state that any active modder will be taking plenty of steps to protect their own works. Besides SKSE requirements, I wouldn't doubt that some of the better mods go "underground" just to prevent another "theft free for all". The problem will be those authors that are no longer active. so who will speak up for them or notice the theft of their work? I know I will point out thieves when I see them, and others are likely too as well. Bethesda needs to take steps now to prevent another repeat of Fallout 4's disastrous console modding launch. There are plenty of other games out there to mod, so Nexus itself would be fine in that regard, you know who's really going to loose, the users that are playing by the established rules, and respect the authors, for when those authors leave due to harassment, and theft. Everyone lost.

 

 

My stance is pointing out. I have been three years of the field and came back Nexus last month. I got my expertise. But I won't provide single modding content at this circumstance.

So let's talk about DD instead. He makes loud vocal actions against bethesda.net just like you. And yet he provides mods to the bethesda.net. If he doesn't, one of his haters will upload his mod anyway so no difference to the net. After five years at this rate, bethesda.net will still be in tremendous success and he will still making mods for them. That's the structure you are in. Period.

If you really want to force them to do some actions, you must do actions than just complaining about them doing nothing for you because you are doing nothing. To do some actions, for example, 1) you must organize the people, 2) you find the expert in peculiar fields, 3) you find possible measures, 4) after that you contact L0rd0fWar, cheer him and persuade him you can win this, 5) tedious fight against the company begins.

But rather +1100 replies on the site owner's message has shown one fact; a portion has a sympathy but no one will afford the action.

Most modders take this as a hobby. So they will take it just as the company offers. Many are rather in joy distributing mods to the large mass in the net. You are the one making them uncomfortable, saying they are bending over to the net. You are the one losing because you are the one angry loose customer. That's ok. I think people understand that. Because I really understand you.

[Radman622]

So basically your whole stance is that mod authors should bend over and just take it? If Bethesda wants a modding community at all, they need to change and change now, and not later. You are just about a sentence or two away from outright supporting mod theft, which I find revolting.

 

How is what midtek is saying condoning mod theft? What he and I have said is that Bethesda messed up big time and that it is probably overly optimistic to assume that this will be fixed quickly. Somehow I doubt you disagree with either of those points, so personally I think it is a bit rude for you to equate that to supporting mod theft. Arguing for mod authors to undertake practical methods to discourage theft is an adult perspective. Granted, one that ultimately should've been unnecessary in the first place, but at the point we are at now, authors don't get to act out of idealism and hope for the best, they have to work with the practical realities of the current situation. It sucks, but there's nothing that can be done about it for now.

 

 

You use "User base" and "customer base" like they are any different, no one paid for the use of any mods, however Bethesda featured the game and listed "mods for consoles" as a SELLING point. Which in turn brought in a massive influx of people that have largely no idea how the modding community's trust has been built up over years, however that same influx HAS created some of the most entitled users I have ever seen. They have no care for the modders rights, ACTIVELY disparage authors, steal anything and everything they get their hands on, all the while being cheered on by console users who only care that they are somehow entitled to a new mod.

 

If you paid attention and read the intention of midtek's post, I believe he was pointing out that "user base" websites like the Nexus or DeviantArt typically have a better track record with respecting the rights of content creators because that content is literally all they have to offer. On the other hand "customer base" sites such as Bethesda.net's corporate entity feel an inappropriate sense of entitlement because "they made the game." I believe they feel perhaps even unconsciously as if this justifies them for being extremely lazy and arrogant in their handling of the community. The gist of the post was never about paid mods. From the way you talk about console users and the "new mod users" it almost sounds to me as if you don't want them to enter the community in the first place. Such a sentiment echoes people equating immigrants with criminals and terrorists - one should stop to consider that the loudest voices we hear are most likely the trolls, thieves and complainers. It is NOT the fault of a console user who was excited to play with mods and join in this community who has not done anything against mod authors that Bethesda has not properly staffed and moderated their site to deal with these inevitable problems. You have no idea how many of these players, inspired by what they've seen is possible with mods will go on to be contributing members of the community. You sound exactly like the people in gaming who hate on "casual gamers," that sort of elitist nonsense is exactly what makes the PC gaming world seem inaccessible and unfriendly to outsiders. Ultimately a thriving community cannot survive without bringing in new people over time as old community members retire, leave and move on. Building a wall is not the answer.

[lelcat]

I think people should calm the flip down for a bit. Bethesda is reacting slow to the mod theft issue yes, but it will get sorted out.

[gunslinger6792]

I think people should calm the flip down for a bit. Bethesda is reacting slow to the mod theft issue yes, but it will get sorted out.

Given Bethesda's past history I think your faith in Bethesda to get this "sorted out" is misplaced. Beth has gotten increasingly worse at leaving things undone or taking an ungodly amount of time to fix something if they do indeed fix it.

[lelcat]

 

I think people should calm the flip down for a bit. Bethesda is reacting slow to the mod theft issue yes, but it will get sorted out.

Given Bethesda's past history I think your faith in Bethesda to get this "sorted out" is misplaced. Beth has gotten increasingly worse at leaving things undone or taking an ungodly amount of time to fix something if they do indeed fix it.

 

Here is my guess, they got swamped with technical issues on the site programming. Perhaps understaffed in that department. But I am confident they will sort it out eventually. Now they could have waited until they had more support staff ready to sort out claims of who stole what. But would you rather have the creation kit delayed by months because of that?

[TheFoxQueen]

 

 

I think people should calm the flip down for a bit. Bethesda is reacting slow to the mod theft issue yes, but it will get sorted out.

Given Bethesda's past history I think your faith in Bethesda to get this "sorted out" is misplaced. Beth has gotten increasingly worse at leaving things undone or taking an ungodly amount of time to fix something if they do indeed fix it.

 

Here is my guess, they got swamped with technical issues on the site programming. Perhaps understaffed in that department. But I am confident they will sort it out eventually. Now they could have waited until they had more support staff ready to sort out claims of who stole what. But would you rather have the creation kit delayed by months because of that?

 

Banning one user (brettkeane) who is clearly stealing mods does not require an entire team. Focusing on banning users who stole mods and taking those mods down will not cause the Creation Kit to get delayed. They will sort this out eventually, but it's a disgrace that over 3 days it's gonna be a month that this mod thief was allowed to stay on the site.

 

Also, this user's stolen mods form a potential danger for consoles, because he knows nothing about modding so his mods are not optimized in any way for consoles.

[Thomas325]

Biodoll, smooth as butter

[midtek]

 

 

I think people should calm the flip down for a bit. Bethesda is reacting slow to the mod theft issue yes, but it will get sorted out.

Given Bethesda's past history I think your faith in Bethesda to get this "sorted out" is misplaced. Beth has gotten increasingly worse at leaving things undone or taking an ungodly amount of time to fix something if they do indeed fix it.

 

Here is my guess, they got swamped with technical issues on the site programming. Perhaps understaffed in that department. But I am confident they will sort it out eventually. Now they could have waited until they had more support staff ready to sort out claims of who stole what. But would you rather have the creation kit delayed by months because of that?

 

 

You mean, the company is like a kindergarten? That doesn't make any sense. If that's true, you should not be too confident for the company in that bizarre state.

Internet crowd are already making fun of their incompetence but I don't think that's true. Even one man moderation is capable enough to handle certain amount of stuffs in given time. More like they are reluctantly doing the job. They brought DMCA announcement due to public pressure and initially showed some effort. And after the pressure withered away they are slow again. I think it's important to separate "ROFL GOODJOB YOU SUCK" from reasoning why they are not doing the job.

Yeah, it will eventually be sorted out. The pace of users adapting to the environment will come sooner though. Intentionally or not. I don't know.

[lelcat]

 

 

 

I think people should calm the flip down for a bit. Bethesda is reacting slow to the mod theft issue yes, but it will get sorted out.

Given Bethesda's past history I think your faith in Bethesda to get this "sorted out" is misplaced. Beth has gotten increasingly worse at leaving things undone or taking an ungodly amount of time to fix something if they do indeed fix it.

 

Here is my guess, they got swamped with technical issues on the site programming. Perhaps understaffed in that department. But I am confident they will sort it out eventually. Now they could have waited until they had more support staff ready to sort out claims of who stole what. But would you rather have the creation kit delayed by months because of that?

 

 

You mean, the company is like a kindergarten? That doesn't make any sense. If that's true, you should not be too confident for the company in that bizarre state.

Internet crowd are already making fun of their incompetence but I don't think that's true. Even one man moderation is capable enough to handle certain amount of stuffs in given time. More like they are reluctantly doing the job. They brought DMCA announcement due to public pressure and initially showed some effort. And after the pressure withered away they are slow again. I think it's important to separate "ROFL GOODJOB YOU SUCK" from reasoning why they are not doing the job.

Yeah, it will eventually be sorted out. The pace of users adapting to the environment will come sooner though. Intentionally or not. I don't know.

 

The problem on Nexus is that everything "bad" that Bethesda does is terribly overexaggerated. To the point where it is hard to keep up with the facts of what actually happened. Bethesda still has to check proof on their own when soemone claims a mod is stolen. A forum thread packed with angry words is not proof. Their own guys have to check that and act on it.