CTD on startup, load seems ok

[PinkAnderson]

I have decided to pull one last final effort to try and fix me my skyrim before i get rid of it. Spent a week trying to get back to it.. looks like it wont work.

LOOT and TES5Edit say everything is ok, the load order loads up. I've been trying to shuffle it about, moving patches and stuff.. now i really am out of ideas, so i thought maybe i could run in through here. I dont even know what im hoping for, my honest guess is when i try to load the game up it just clutters the memory too much.. i cant for the love of me spot any esp misplacements. Startup crash as if there was a missing master

 

This is my load:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm

7 7 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm

8 8 Nock2Tip.esm

9 9 Campfire.esm

10 a MFVM.esm

11 b phiNoFF.esm

12 c EFFCore.esm

13 d ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

14 e WSCO - OcciFemaleVNL.esp

15 f WSCO - OcciMaleVNL.esp

16 10 ORM-Arvak.esp

17 11 No More Glowing Edges.esp

18 12 FNIS.esp

19 13 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp

20 14 RaceMenu.esp

21 15 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

22 16 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

23 17 StormcloakArmorVarietyOPTION1.esp

24 18 Unique Region Names.esp

25 19 RealisticRoomRental.esp

26 1a WetandCold.esp

27 1b AOS.esp

28 1c 3DNPC.esp

29 1d ETaC - Complete.esp

30 1e Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

31 1f Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

32 20 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

33 21 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

34 22 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

35 23 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

36 24 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

37 25 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

38 26 Purity.esp

39 27 DarkbroSanctuary.esp

40 28 DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp

41 29 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

42 2a Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp

43 2b SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp

44 2c Undeath.esp

45 2d Immersive Solstheim.esp

46 2e Holidays.esp

47 2f ETaC - Complete Holidays Patch.esp

48 30 Improved Artifacts - Complete Collection.esp

49 31 SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Light.esp

50 32 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

51 33 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

52 34 Convenient Bridges.esp

53 35 BFT Ships and Carriages.esp

54 36 more idle markers.esp

55 37 more idle markers - no dlc.esp

56 38 Inconsequential NPCs.esp

57 39 Atlas Legendary.esp

58 3a SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp

59 3b Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp

60 3c Run For Your Lives.esp

61 3d Cloaks.esp

62 3e 1nivWICCloaks.esp

63 3f 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

64 40 Dr_Bandolier.esp

65 41 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

66 42 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

67 43 SkyUI.esp

68 44 Hunterborn.esp

69 45 Hunterborn Campfire Patch.esp

70 46 Frostfall.esp

71 47 HeljarchenFarm.esp

72 48 SMIM-Merged-All.esp

73 49 HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp

74 4a Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp

75 4b RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp

76 4c Immersive Horses.esp

77 4d Farm Animals_HF.esp

78 4e SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp

79 4f Farmers Sell Produce - Skyrim.esp

80 50 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp

81 51 TrueStorms.esp

82 52 Traps Are Dangerous.esp

83 53 JKs Whiterun exterior.esp

84 54 CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp

85 55 Champion of Kynareth.esp

86 56 throneroom.esp

87 57 Better Vampires.esp

88 58 ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp

89 59 TradeRoutes.esp

90 5a Shortcuts.esp

91 5b HoldBorderBanners.esp

92 5c EmbersHD.esp

93 5d Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

94 5e Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp

95 5f ESFCompanions.esp

96 60 One With Nature - DG+DB SkyTEST.esp

97 61 iNeed.esp

98 62 TimingIsEverything.esp

99 63 SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp

100 64 Wrath Of Nature.esp

101 65 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

102 66 PerkusMaximus_Master.esp

103 67 PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp

104 68 Pre PaMa WAFR CCF CCOR Wintermyst Patch.esp

105 69 PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp

106 6a DeadlyDragons.esp

107 6b Apocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp

108 6c PermaZONESLegendaryBalanced.esp

109 6d Combat Evolved.esp

110 6e Immersive Weapons.esp

111 6f WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

112 70 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

113 71 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

114 72 Nock2Tip.esp

115 73 Pre PaMa N2T CCOR Patch.esp

116 74 Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp

117 75 Unique Uniques.esp

118 76 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

119 77 No More Glowing Edges - PerMa.esp

120 78 LegionArmorVarietyOPTIONAL1.esp

121 79 N2T IW.esp

122 7a CCO_SIC_Patch.esp

123 7b PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp

124 7c SCRR Coin Weight.esp

125 7d PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp

126 7e PerMaDefluffedPerkDescriptions.esp

127 7f Perma Defluff + Apocalypse.esp

128 80 PerMa-Hunterborn.esp

129 81 PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp

130 82 Pre PaMa Improved Artifacts.esp

131 83 Clothing & Clutter_3DNPC_Patch.esp

132 84 AMatterOfTime.esp

133 85 Extended UI.esp

134 86 AHZmoreHUD.esp

135 87 ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

136 88 ForgottenMagic_Redone_PerMa Patch.esp

137 89 Blowing in the Wind.esp

138 8a Unconscious.esp

139 8b Dead Body Collision.esp

140 8c Dwemer Goggles & Scouter.esp

141 8d Footprints.esp

142 8e Guards Attack Hostiles.esp

143 8f MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp

144 90 SimplyKnock.esp

145 91 PerkusMaximus_SimplyKnock.esp

146 92 FarmAnimals_HF-iNeed Patch.esp

147 93 ImmersiveSpells.esp

148 94 iHUD.esp

149 95 Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items.esp

150 96 more plants all extra.esp

151 97 PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp

152 98 PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp

153 99 Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

154 9a SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dawnguard.esp

155 9b EFFDialogue.esp

156 9c MFVM_EFF_Patch.esp

157 9d UIExtensions.esp

158 9e TKDodge.esp

159 9f attack commitment movement speed fluid 3.esp

160 a0 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

161 a1 Dual Sheath Redux.esp

162 a2 XPMSE.esp

163 a3 HarvestOverhaul.esp

164 a4 ETaC IHO Compatibility Patch.esp

165 a5 Hearthfire IHO Compatibility Patch.esp

166 a6 Order My Items.esp

167 a7 WSCO - Better NPCs.esp

168 a8 TrueStorms-PureWeather.esp

169 a9 NirShor-MusicalLore.esp

170 aa Immersive Sounds - Aural Assortment.esp

171 ab RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp

172 ac ISC PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp

173 ad ISC CCF Patch.esp

174 ae IS-AA Complete Crafting Overhaul Patch.esp

175 af WetandCold - Ashes.esp

176 b0 AchieveThat.esp

177 b1 LostGrimoire.esp

178 b2 Bounty Gold.esp

179 b3 HoamaiiSleepingBags.esp

180 b4 HonedMetal.esp

181 b5 Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp

182 b6 Locational Damage.esp

183 b7 Real Flying.esp

184 b8 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp

185 b9 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings.esp

186 ba SleepTight.esp

187 bb Thunderchild - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp

188 bc TradeBarter.esp

189 bd Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp

190 be NonEssentialChildren.esp

191 bf CobbEncumbrance.esp

192 c0 When Vampires Attack.esp

193 c1 Disparity.esp

194 c2 KTAAncientShroudedArmor.esp

195 c3 Immersive Speechcraft.esp

196 c4 Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp

197 c5 VioLens.esp

AOS2_DD Patch.esp

AOS2_DSI Patch.esp

AOS2_EBT Patch.esp

AOS2_Purity Patch.esp

AOS2_TAD Patch.esp

AOS2_TrueStorms Patch.esp

AOS2_WAF Patch.esp

AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp

AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp

198 c6 ISC DeadlySpellImpacts Patch.esp

199 c7 ISC WAFR Patch.esp

200 c8 AOS2 MERGED PATCH.esp

201 c9 ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp

202 ca ISCompendium CCO Patch.esp

203 cb ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

204 cc Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

205 cd Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp

206 ce ETaC - Complete AS-LAL Patch.esp

207 cf Bashed Patch, 0.esp

208 d0 PatchusMaximus.esp

209 d1 Post_PatchusMaximus_GiantsAIFix.esp

210 d2 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

[repusDude]

Too much mods. Can you remove some? Remove those incompatible mods when you see them.

 

I heard That immersive creatures mod can cause CTD for some people

[Darkstyler35]

1. Can you load a save ? >> If no, use save script cleaner on your save and try again.

Have you tried tu start a new game ?

• Load all your mods with Tes5edit, if a master is missing, an error message will be displayed in the right pane. (If not already been done)

CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit.

Have you installed the skse patch or SSME ? (don't install both...)

Backup your ini files if you have modified them and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then let the vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.

Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".

Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists

Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.

Verify gamecache

Guides and resources on Reddit.

Dangerous mods list.

Make skyrim vanilla again.

[PinkAnderson]

I didn't make myself clear, sorry for that. I have rewatched possibly all of Gopher's and GamerPoets' videos in the past week and read all kinds of threads on reddit and here on the Nexus. I have cleaned everything, have been using TES5Edit to check my load (among other things), I have been using LOOT, I did create a Bashed patch, then I successfully ran my DSR and PaMa patches and I hoped my game would actually run after that. The only thing I didn't do was a TES5Merged patch because I didnt feel like I really needed one. I will try to repatch everything and include the TES5Merged in the process, but I don't really think that will change the outcome very much and I fear I will probably just be wasting my time. And yes, obviously, I do use SKSE which I understand has the memory patch included since 1.7.0.

Skyrim runs just fine via the launcher, so something going on with the mods, only CTDs when I run SKSE, I just thought maybe there was something obvious in the load order that I might have missed.

I'm gonna try to test out the "dangerous mods" and maybe just go and try to single out mods to see if any one of those causes the ctd.

 

As for the CTD, it happens at the Skyrim main screen with the dragonborn splash just before the menu appears, I have never run a proper new game on this setup, theres no saves to load, I have only run a new game a couple of times just to check for function or compatibility in the process of modding up, but there was never any saves i cared to keep.

 

Also I don't believe there is such thing as too many mods. When I played Skyrim last time I had roughly about 240 esps and my game ran just fine with almost no crashes. Also from what I saw on everyone's load orders, 200 is in my opinion the standard number.

Edited July 11, 2016 by 33Speedy

[ironbender800]

CTD at startup is usually missing master.

 

If you used MO it would alert you of this. OR you can run your load order through TES5Edit.

 

Darstyler provided you with all the info you need. Up to you to follow it.

 

There is no "standard" number of esps. All depends on personal preferences and mod selection. I run half of that. And my game is very pretty and excellent performance wise.

 

 

also....when modding your game (GamerPoets also advocates this) TEST TEST TEST after every few mods. Lazy modding always leads to problems and then people coming here or to other places wanting others to fix thier mess.

[Darkstyler35]

<Skyrim runs just fine via the launcher, only CTDs when I run SKSE>

That's the most interresting thing you've provided since the beginning, and this seems to indicate the problem is around skse.

• Run skyrim with all your mods unticked, this will ensure it is or it is not mod related.
• Make sure your skse installation is healthy. Reinstall manually if necessary. Make sure the files are not in the wrong place.
• Make sure you don't have any other skse plugins that could conflict.
• Rename your C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Skyrim\Data\SKSE\SKSE.ini to invalidate it temporarilly >> test iin game. If it worked, make sure you didn't have d3dx9_42.dll and SSME.ini in your skyrim folder. Having both these files and using skse.ini are redundant and will lead to problems.
• Turn off any overlays or programs running in the background. Make sure your firewall and antivirus program don't block skse... Create exception rules if necessary.
• Make sure -forcesteamloader is in MO's SKSE launcher executable options (should be done automatically, check it).
• If using windows 10, set ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false in ENBlocal.ini.
• Make sure ENB is configured correctly. See here.
• This can also be caused if you didn't actually put the enb preset files into the skyrim folder correctly.

Good luck.

[PinkAnderson]

Thanks for the quick help. Will look into the SKSE setup. I had this issue when I was adding mods and it went away with RS children and all its patches. So it seems some mods clutter my load up for some reason and it's indeed a fault of the load order and not SKSE per se. Guess I will just have to find out. If you dont see anything in the load order as such (I know theres a lot and I don't want to ask you to go through it) then you can probably just lock this and wish me luck.

 

I didn't mean to sound nasty. Sorry if that came about. I do appreciate the help. I was just a bit annoyed by the crashes no matter what I did and it seemed you didn't read what I came here with and just provided with some generic CTD answers. My bad, and once again thanks for the attention.

[Darkstyler35]

<I had this issue when I was adding mods and it went away with RS children and all its patches. So it seems some mods clutter my load up for some reason and it's indeed a fault of the load order and not SKSE per se>

 

As I said it's easy to see if it's mod related, untick all your mods and start a new game. In 5 minutes you'll have your answer.

 

That doesn't explain why the game doesn't work with skse, unless your load order has so much scripts requirements that the game crashes. In that case you'll just have to use a selective loading and start the game with the less scripted mods as possible.

 

It's difficult to judge your problem particularly when english is not my primary language (thanks google translator) and also because the important informations come few at a time. Now I think we should have the whole picture and you should have everything to correct the problem in a way or another.

 

Good luck with your game.

[PinkAnderson]

I'm back! Sorry to bother you again, but couldn't find answers elsewhere. Looks like I was going about it all wrong. I thought it was some other mods, but the CTD goes away when I disable the PaMa patch. In TES5 when I check the PatchusMaximus.esp for errors I get a bunch of different lines. So.. is my problem the fact that some mods should go on the blocklist?

 

Ones are about reforged saddles - is it safe to presume Immersive horses just like Convenient horses should be exempt from the patcher?

 

[00:10] PaMa_ARMO_ReforgedRiverwoodHorseSaddle990754ETaC-Complete.esp "Reforged Riverwood Horse Saddle" [ARMO:CB0186D8]

[00:10] ARMO \ Armature \ MODL - Model Filename -> [10990753] < Error: Could not be resolved >

Others are about animals. Elks, bears, foxes, they all have a bunch of NPC package errors about them. Could that be something like Immersive creatures or SkyTEST?

[00:46] EncBearCave "Cave Bear" [NPC_:00023A8B]

[00:46] NPC_ \ Factions \ SNAM - Faction \ Faction -> [06001312] < Error: Could not be resolved >

[00:46] NPC_ \ Factions \ SNAM - Faction \ Faction -> [0600131A] < Error: Could not be resolved >

There are a few more about Nightingale armors:

[00:10] ArmorNightingaleHelmetPlayer01 "Nightingale Hood" [ARMO:0005DB88]

[00:10] ARMO \ VMAD - Virtual Machine Adapter \ Data \ Scripts \ Script \ Properties \ Property \ Value \ Object Union \ Object v1 \ FormID -> [0E0B563C] < Error: Could not be resolved >

 

One similar about Shield of Isgramor and one last about the horse Ysmir and her outfit.

 

[00:47] NPC_ \ DOFT - Default outfit -> [10990756] < Error: Could not be resolved >

 

Does the error say in some way where the error comes from or what mod maybe? Or are those errors presumably the cause of the crash? When I disable the patch, game loads.

 

EDIT: Trying to go about and fix those errors one way or another in TES5.

Edited July 12, 2016 by 33Speedy

[Darkstyler35]

Your files make reference to an object it is unable to find = [06001312] < Error: Could not be resolved >

 

• [06001312] = 06 should be the load order of the file containing this object.. (In fact no, Tesedit believes it's 06 but it can be 05 or 07) Either you reinstall the missing file, (which one, I don't know) either you get rid of your patch. Refer to the documentation concerning your patch. Use Tes5edit to load all your actual load order. If a master is missing it will stop loading and show an error message in the right pane. If it doesn't stop loading, either these are bad edits, either your file use injection approach as explained in the last part of my post. But if a master is missing = CTD

 

• It can also be the fact you have added with Tes5edit some masters to a file, (add master function) without using the "sort master function". This has a tendancy to move the order of the other required master and the plugin doesn't know they are always in the file header masterfiles, but not in the same order, so that all the related references are not recognized anymore = <error can't resolve>. When you've saved and reloaded the plugin + check errors, it's a mess. Did you do anything like that ?

 

• If so don't bother to edit this plugin to correct it, just extract a new one from the mod archive. Important ! If extracting a new file gives the same errors, the mod you're using is not clean. I advise you to not use such files as they can lead to problems... Unless you're able to correct them or they use injection approach as explained below.

 

• Some files use injection approach so that they are not needed as a master in other plugins. For example, you can use references from weapons & armor fixes without adding it as a master to your plugin. It also mean that Tesedit won't load WAF automatically and if not loaded, you'll have such errors... So try to load all your plugins when you have these errors to see if it's the case. If no error when loading everything, it only means Tesedit doesn't manage this approach automatically and you should not bother anymore with these errors.