Basic Skyrim Modding, Optimizing and Balancing

[ZengarZonvolt]

so ive been a mod addict of skyrim for quite a while now and been doing tweaks on gameplay on my own but suddenly, when my last save got jacked by some sort of lag issue and my save got corrupted with an infinite loading issue, i came to conclusion that maybe my current modding style is wrong on so many level so ive decided to post this.

 

what this thread would do is ask questions to everyone, modders, players, admins, whoever can answer the questions im gonna ask, any answer will be welcomed, not just for me, but for everyone having the same issue as i have. and now for the questions.

 

keep in mind guys that im playing on my skyrim on a relatively powerful machine, an amd a4 6300, 4gig ram, 2 gig radeon HD 6570. i know its not much but its better than my old intel dual core. so legs get roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooought into the questions.

 

1) Load Order wise, would it be wise if i place the core mods(mods that changes the skyrim's basic premise, like frostfall) on the top, followed by equipment mods(mods that adds new weapon and armors), followed by follower mods, then new houses mod and lastly, patches(those included in the mod, made by skyproc, and the such).

 

2) If papyrus script lag is an issue, is there an alternative for the mod "Convenient Horses" which also introduces Horse armor that can work with Aeonbarr. Because as it stand, Convenient Horses mod kinda breaks papyrus with its follower horse detection and slows the script, potentially breaking save games.

 

3) Back on my old dual core, having a mod of greather than 150(inclusive) starts to slows down my game even on low Graphic Settings. Now on my A4, at 210 mods(inclusive) at high graphic settings(no FXAA because it loogs blindingly ugly) i have a consistent 60 fps anytime. but the question that should be asked is how much mod can i jam into my game to remain stable, and fast?

 

4) What causes more script lag on the long run, Frostfall, Realistic Needs and Diseases, Hunterborn

 

right now this is all im gonna ask. but i will ask more when something arises.

[redrakiton125]

1) Install LOOT and use mod organizer

 

2) When you have a lot of mods that use a lot of checks like Frostfall and Wet and Cold, you have all your processor power doing that checks instead in the actual game and frames.

 

3)Depends on mods you want to use and your computer power, also keep in mind windows has a lot of Background tasks that run.You can use Superb Game Booster to free your ram cpu and hdd, when playing games.

 

4) See point 2

 

 

Have a nice day

[ZengarZonvolt]

1) Install LOOT and use mod organizer

 

2) When you have a lot of mods that use a lot of checks like Frostfall and Wet and Cold, you have all your processor power doing that checks instead in the actual game and frames.

 

3)Depends on mods you want to use and your computer power, also keep in mind windows has a lot of Background tasks that run.You can use Superb Game Booster to free your ram cpu and hdd, when playing games.

 

4) See point 2

 

 

Have a nice day

on the topic of loot, yes i know what it is. im not gonna take that as an off-hand comment about anything but i have my fair-share of experience with loot. honestly i dont like how it sort the mods. its always unreliable and sometimes break something that shouldnt be. i once used loot on a particular load order that deals with breakable bottles and RND, and with loot re-ordering, the alchohols becomes vanilla instead of RND, same goes to potato and carrots. not just on that instance, it kinda breaks perkus maximus too, so i wont be using loot anyday now.

 

also about the script lag. you might be unfamiliar to what im talking about. i had about 10 saves already broken because of script lag. and most of them arises from different sources. one instance was caused by too much message that was popping-up on my hud. the other instance was because i mined ore too much and for some reason caused the lag. yeah i know my A4 isnt that cutting-edge by your standard but its better than my old intel dual-core. so i asked those question in hopes to finding a way to sort of flush scripts that backed up and maybe start the process over without doing a new save. also on the topic of convenient horse, i was asking if there is an alternative to that because the armor looks so good and it works so well on aeonbarr, the only problem is it causes massive script lag.

[redrakiton125]

Try this maybe it helps https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1596198-script-lag-how-to-tell-if-you-have-it-and-how-to-fix-it/

[ZengarZonvolt]

Try this maybe it helps https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1596198-script-lag-how-to-tell-if-you-have-it-and-how-to-fix-it/

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

not even one second i will twiddle with my ini ever again. ini editing breaks your game.

[redrakiton125]

Do you use save cleaner?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

[ZengarZonvolt]

ive tested

 

Do you use save cleaner?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

save cleaner before and honestly, i couldnt get it to work. i scares me to do anything with my saves. color me crazy but no, im not lazy to backup my save. im just afraid that the save cleaner may have a virus of sort when you use it. also doing a script delete might break the save even more so nope. but ima test it anyways. im installing familiar faces(a bit of script heavy that one) and when my save got borked i will save clean it to test if it really works.

[redrakiton125]

It doesn't contain viruses

 

Have a nice day

[Nozzer66]

There's a difference between Install Order, which is in which order you install your mods and Load order, which is the order in which the game loads them in as needed. It helps to keep that in mind.

 

As for how to go about it:

 

I always do big fixing things like the Unofficial patches etc first, and then other little bugfixes etc.Then I do UI stuff and THEN quest stuff and things like Falskaar and expansions. Bigger things like Frostfall, Complete Alchemy and Crafting or Perk Overhauls etc I install relatively late after I've done all the clutter and texture mods I want to use.

 

With tools like LOOT and the like, Unless you know exactly every esp or esm and what is what then it always helps to at least run them to give you a base load order. You can then tweak it if that's what you prefer, that's fine. I often do this myself.

 

And you can rest assured with save cleaner that it's perfectly clean,

 

I don't have a huge issue with script lag. I don't mess with Papyrus really at all aside from tweaking fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS to 2000. That stops the occasional little issue like Uthgerd not rendering when talking to the stable guy at Whiterun, yet her voice still playing like she was there.