dice17 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Damn, I followed Hadvar. I would love to go back and axe that imperial officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnerman69 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) I've only done a few dragon word challenges and the college of winterhold quests and found my first Elder Scroll, have to harvest blood next from every race I think, the college of winterhold quests where long and very hard, and I'm in no hurry to do them again, so I'll back up my saved game of college of winterhold quests done, I'm head of the college now!.. The only challenge I failed in the college of winterhold was to bring 10 undead creatures back to life, but I think that was to win over a companion there, I have two companions at the college, so hoping this one failed quest doesn't effect the game ending? I'll try the legion first and eventually a stormcloaks version later Edited June 21, 2012 by sinnerman69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacSuibhne Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) you believe that Skyrim on its own could do what the Empire, including Skyrim, couldn't do? assuming that Ulfric could actually unite Skyrim with so many Nords supporting the Empire.Skyrim on its own, even united under a high king, wouldn't have a chance against the Dominion.the Empire, including a united Skyrim and the Dragonborn, has a much better chance of defeating the Dominion. anyone who thinks the Empire has gone along with the ban on Talos should have a look around the Empire controlled cities of Whiterun and Markath. both openly allow Talos worship in defiance of the Dominion. It doesn't matter if the Stormcloaks could defeat the Dominion by themselves. The battle is between the Dominion and the Empire. (Actually, ultimately, the real battle is between the Thalmor and men). Both powers know this. If Skyrim were independent it could be...probably would be, given their history with the Thalmor...a strong ally to the Empire in any future confrontation with the AD. And an independent Skyrim means that the Thalmor would have two fronts instead of one. If the Stormcloaks are defeated and held unwillingly in the Empire, they are going to not only be reluctant to support the Empire, but depleted of resources and men. Unless of course it takes the Empire another thirty years to finally decide that being the Dominion's bumboy is unacceptable. If the Empire just let Skyrim go...allowed Skyrim to be independent..there would be no civil war. There would be no drain on Imperial resources needing to hold a rebellious and sullen population in check. The Empire would be free to do what it...somewhat disingenuously in my mind...claims it wants to do--build up its military and gather its strength. No more excuses, in other words. And Skyrim would be free to take on the Thalmor patrols and the killing of its sons and fathers. Even if an independent Skyrim couldn't kick the Thalmor entirely out of Skyrim, it would force the Dominion to divide its resources and thus weaken it. The situation would be reversed...with the AD on its heels and stretched thin rather than the nations of men. The Dominion knows this too...even if no one else does. As far as the Talos thing...anyone who has played the game for more than a little while has run across Thalmor patrols leading away hapless Skyrim citizens (ostensibly Imperial citizens) to be tortured and beheaded under a judicial system that is independent of Imperial or Skyrim laws. It begs the question: If the Empire cannot or will not protect its citizens from these kinds of depredations by a foreign power, how does it have any claim to legitimacy? Edited June 21, 2012 by MacSuibhne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robanybody2000 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 "Thalmor patrols leading away hapless Skyrim citizens (ostensibly Imperial citizens)" - I saw Stormcloack patrols leading away hapless Skyrim citizens (ostensibly Nord citizens). How about Ulfric's legitimacy? I can understand the Thalmor imprisoning Imperials cause they hate ALL men, but wasn't the Storcloack movement about free Nords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacSuibhne Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) "Thalmor patrols leading away hapless Skyrim citizens (ostensibly Imperial citizens)" - I saw Stormcloack patrols leading away hapless Skyrim citizens (ostensibly Nord citizens). How about Ulfric's legitimacy? I can understand the Thalmor imprisoning Imperials cause they hate ALL men, but wasn't the Storcloack movement about free Nords? Tell me where I will see Stormcloaks leading away citizens? I need to see this for myself. I've close to 200 hours in the game and although I've seen Stormcloak patrols, I've not seen them leading any prisoners. But even if true, it misses the point...the Thalmor are a foreign power. They don't answer to anyone but themselves. And if the Stormcloaks do arrest people, they are presumably given trials and justice under the laws of Skyrim (and maybe the Empire) ..not just summarily executed. The Stormcloaks are about self-governance, not capitulation and appeasement. Or aiding and abetting a hostile foreign power in oppressing a people not even their own. Additionally, the Stormcloaks are there...native sons and daughters...not leagues away in another self-contained and self-interested country. That alone confers a legitimacy the Empire will never have. But again, it all misses the greater point...and it is misdirection...which is that everybody (except the Dominion) would be better off if the Empire simply let Skyrim go. Edited June 21, 2012 by MacSuibhne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetradite Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 If Skyrim were independent it could be...probably would be, given their history with the Thalmor...a strong ally to the Empire in any future confrontation with the AD. And an independent Skyrim means that the Thalmor would have two fronts instead of one. How does it? Your own words contradict themselves. Skyrim under Imperial control =Skyrim & Cyrodil as the Empire -v- Dominion Skyrim independent = Skyrim & Cyrodil as partners -v- Dominion Same troops, same geography, same number of fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacSuibhne Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 If Skyrim were independent it could be...probably would be, given their history with the Thalmor...a strong ally to the Empire in any future confrontation with the AD. And an independent Skyrim means that the Thalmor would have two fronts instead of one. How does it? Same troops, same geography, same number of fronts. Except the Empire is aiding and abetting the Thalmor in Skyrim. They have a part in suppressing the insurrection and, even if only looking the other way, in oppressing the populace. The Thalmor rely on Imperial cooperation.They need not be a full occupying force to exert their will or have their way. So effectively..."with friends like these..."...they're on the same side in Skyrim. Same geography that's true but less troops and only one active front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetradite Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 You said "in any future confrontation" you weren't talking about the current situation. Once again, how does it make an extra front in "any future confrontation"? It doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Without Hammerfell and Skyrim is it even fair to call what is left an Imperial Army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theylielol Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 stormcloaks are just a bunch of nords that hate everything else except them. join the empire. help them get skyrim. they will rape the thalmor after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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