WickedBlurr Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 i have read these books you have mentioned, but even though they tried their best and lost - does not excuse them for not teaming up with someone who still believes in talos, like the whole of tamriel (save the high elves and the very few non-believers of course) they could have gathered strength again, they could have stood up for what they believed in, the point is after 30 years they could have done something - anything at all would have been worth it. example: if they had bothered to gather strength from all those still faithful (in secret) then they would have almost the whole of tamriel at their side and would have been able to take the thalmor down before the elves even knew there was a war, the sad truth is, they gave it all up - everything they fought for and upheld with such pride for so very long, and for what? - just so they could keep living. - such is the most shameful of greedy intentions just to save their own hide. may the gods have mercy on them, because i don't....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag00n123 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I'm a Dunmer and still went with the Stormcloaks, their cause is a worthy one compared to the corrupt Imperial empire. The bad treatment of Dunmers in Windhelm Gray Quarter pales in significance to the injustices against the Nord people. I also don't see the parallels with our concept of "racism" like many here do.. perhaps if it was dark elves and wood elves but not nords/dunmer. Reminds me of the Xindi in Star Trek Enterprise - five distinct sentient species, there can't really be racism there like we have as humans. Also Ulfric's speech when you first meet him and join the clan is very inspiring and made me want to kick some legion behind. Only problem I have with Windhelm is that it takes some getting used to before you enjoy spending time there - I liked Solitude quite quickly but I didn't begin to love Windhelm until doing the blood on the ice quest and stalking the Jack the Ripper style killer on a dark snowy night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedBlurr Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 i think the only reason the nords are seen as racist is this, you have to remember, after the race of dragons kept all mortals as slaves before time was recorded, so did the aylieds with the help of the deadra lords after time started to be recorded, dealing with all that pain has to take it's toll on a people's ability to trust anyone who isn't their kin, but as anyone that pays attention can see, the nords are fierce and loyal friends to ANYONE who treats them the same - they just don't trust you at first, be you a nord or not - and after all their suffering, who could blame them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkune Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRB2dGI1vRM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrManNo1 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 The Imperials are just making best of a bad situation. In fact, it was pointed out (by Rikke, I believe) that nobody was even being punished for worshiping Talos in Skyrim until Ulfric got his panties in a bunch. Also, remember, the Empire was STARTED by a Nord, so being against them just because you're a Nord/from Skyrim doesn't really apply. And, honestly, does it really seem like a good idea to break up the provinces of men? They couldn't beat the Thalmor when they were united. What makes anyone think dividing up the Empire into even more groups will be beneficial to their long-term survival? Quite frankly, to me, from a socio-political viewpoint, siding with the Stormcloaks seems like it's just a bad decision, unless you want the Thalmor to win (in fact, I'd imagine the Thalmor want the Stormcloaks to win so they can swoop in and take over...it'll just lead to a repeat of the pre-Alessian slavery of men). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matth85 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Very simply, helping the Stormcloak is helping the thalmor. Dividing the alliance that is. Currently there is a 3v3 going on, country wise. Break that up and we got a 3 vs 1, and all the THalmor have to do is to take them one by one. I still find the Thalmor awesome! Look at their strategy. It's so carefully planned, and it all goes perfect. They're almost as good as the dwemer at conquering things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag00n123 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Quite frankly, to me, from a socio-political viewpoint, siding with the Stormcloaks seems like it's just a bad decision, unless you want the Thalmor to win (in fact, I'd imagine the Thalmor want the Stormcloaks to win so they can swoop in and take over...it'll just lead to a repeat of the pre-Alessian slavery of men).That's a good point.. it was in the evidence from the embassy if I'm not mistaken. But it was still never certain that would happen. I think the Stormcloaks have the edge when it comes to spirit, which would also give them more of an edge against the Thalmor. Besides isn't Ulfric meant to be extremely powerful in battle? Or just some ordinary guy who can use the dragon shout ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrManNo1 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Besides isn't Ulfric meant to be extremely powerful in battle? If he is, they didn't do a good job portaying it. Don't read if you don't want to know anything at all about that quest... When you fight him, it's you, General Tullius and Legate Rikke vs. Ulfric and Galmar Stone-Fist. I was level ~13 when I fought him, on Adept difficulty (with full Dwarven armor and a Dwarven mace). Galmar and Ulfric took out Tullius and Rikke almost immediately. I took out Galmar with about 2 power attacks. Ulfric Unrelenting Forced me (level 1 or 2...can't remember which), which allowed him to get one hit on me, which did like 5% of my health damage. I then power attacked him ~3 times, and he died. Honestly, it was the most pathetic battle I ever fought. His soldiers put up a better fight than he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag00n123 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) Besides isn't Ulfric meant to be extremely powerful in battle? If he is, they didn't do a good job portaying it. Don't read if you don't want to know anything at all about that quest... When you fight him, it's you, General Tullius and Legate Rikke vs. Ulfric and Galmar Stone-Fist. I was level ~13 when I fought him, on Adept difficulty (with full Dwarven armor and a Dwarven mace). Galmar and Ulfric took out Tullius and Rikke almost immediately. I took out Galmar with about 2 power attacks. Ulfric Unrelenting Forced me (level 1 or 2...can't remember which), which allowed him to get one hit on me, which did like 5% of my health damage. I then power attacked him ~3 times, and he died. Honestly, it was the most pathetic battle I ever fought. His soldiers put up a better fight than he did. Yeah I kinda assumed that would be the case when taking him on directly (just like Aldurin "the world eater" who can be beaten just by standing in one position). The books I read (well not many)/stories I heard made him seem like a guy who can take on entire armies (Markarth comes to mind). Edited November 26, 2011 by Drag00n123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 The Empire have adopted a policy of appeasement, that never ends well. As much as I dislike Ulfric at least he's willing to put up a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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