Load order and (long term) stability, 170 mods

[Tamdin]

Hello everyone,

 

I know this might be a bit too much asked since I have (yet) no actual problem that needs solving. My last attempt for a playthrough though ended with CtDs and "Bermuda-Areas" on the Riverwood-Whiterun road and around Whiterun after ten hours of playing with close to no issue. So I've started once again sorting my mods, watching guides and so on.

For the mod order I've followed the STEP-guideline in general but since many mods on that list don't appeal to me and I have mods that are not mentioned there (and in no pack) so my order is neither the STEP-core nor the STEP-extended.

 

Long story short: I'd like to know if anyone sees any critical issues I didn't. I'd really like to avoid having another seemingly stable playthrough just to discover issues in the later game ... I yet have to finish skyrim even once, but mods do enhance the game so much it's hard to pass on several mods.

 

Load order:

 

 

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
Falskaar.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
Campfire.esm
moonpath.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
WetandCold.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
AOS.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
Footprints.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuOverlays.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
Beards.esp
Unbelievable Grass Two.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp
AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
FNIS.esp
ELE_Fs_Lite.esp
Extended UI.esp
Elemental Staves.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
ClamsDropPearls.esp
DesyncBirdsOfPrey.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Falskaar Wildlife.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp
3DNPC.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
DarkbroSanctuary.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
AOS2_DSI Patch.esp
aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Grass Clipping Fix.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp
Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
CCO_SIC_Patch.esp
BCS - CCOR Patch.esp
TreaclemanMoonpathPatch.esp
Patch - Falskaar - RS kids.esp
Patch - Interesting NPCs - RS kids.esp
VioLens.esp
Better Vampires.esp
VL No AoE Drain.esp
Disparity.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
Imperious - Disparity Compatibility Patch.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Dr_BandolierDG.esp
ISC DeadlySpellImpacts Patch.esp
ISC WAFR Patch.esp
ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp
ISCompendium CCO Patch.esp
WerewolfPerksExpanded.esp
WAF_CCF_SIC Patch.esp
viciousdawnbreaker.esp
Lightweight Scrolls.esp
Lightweight Potions and Poisons.esp
CWIELnFXPatch.esp
ELFX - Weathers.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_NL1.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-10.esp
Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
AchieveThat.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp
EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
zMirai.esp
Inigo.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp
LeftHandRings.esp
Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
Frostfall.esp
moonpath_questdata.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
CerwidenCompanion.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
AOS2_DD Patch.esp
NARC-Deadly Dragons.esp
RayeksEnd.esp
Recorder Follower Base.esp
SofiaFollower.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp
AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp
Patch - Inconsequential NPCs - RS kids.esp
ELFX - Moonpath.esp
Immersive Citizens - MTE patch.esp
Tiny Little Living Alternate.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
WerewolfMastery.esp
summersetisles.esp
iNeed.esp
Moirai - SummersetIsles - CoT Patch.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
IceBladeOfTheMonarch.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp
HighHrothgarWindowGlow.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
WAFR_CCOR_Ordinator_Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
Real Feeding V3.esp
EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
More Interesting Loot for Skyrim.esp
Poet.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp
STEP Combined PluginHF.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

 

 

Modlist:

 

 

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+DSR Patch
+OVERWRITE SKSE
+FNIS GENERATED
+Bashed Patch
-Morskom Estate
-The Skyrim Distance Overhaul Beta (S.D.O.)
-Skyrim Realistic Archery - Bows - Arrows - Crossbows - Bolts
-Stickier Arrows
-YY Anim Replacer - Mystic Knight
-TES5LODGen Billboards Vanilla
-Skyrim Flora Overhaul
+Rayeks End - Mini Hideout
+Tiny Little Living
+NONSTOP Firewood Chopping
+Improved NPC Clothing - High Res
+Real Ice
+Intricate Spider Webs
+VioLens - A Killmove Mod
+Poet follower
+Mirai - the Girl with the Dragon Heart
+Cerwiden -SMART Healer- AI Configurable Companion
+Vilja in Skyrim - Solstheim
+Vilja in Skyrim
+Sofia - The Funny Fully Voiced Follower
+Amazing Follower Tweaks
+Recorder - Standalone Fully Voiced Follower
+Convenient Horses
+INIGO
+Floating Healthbars
+More Interesting Loot for Skyrim
+Stones of Barenziah Quest Markers
+Achieve That
+No NPC Greetings
+Real Feeding
+ApachiiSkyHair
+The Eyes Of Beauty
+Detailed Rugs
+YY Anim Replacer - Zweihander
+YY Anim Replacer - Natural Jump
+RealVision ENB 279b
+Enhanced Lights and FX
+Climates of Tamriel - Weather Patch
+Climates Of Tamriel-V
+Supreme Storms
+Dark Brotherhood Reborn - Dawnstar Sanctuary
+Immersive College of Winterhold
+RS Children Patches
+The Forgotten City
+Moon and Star
+Lightweight Scrolls - Multilingual
+Lightweight Potions and Poisons
+Unique Uniques - Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade Patch
+Unique Uniques
+Medusa Drakul armors and Thanatos dragon
+Artifacts - The Ice Blade Of The Monarch
+Left Hand Rings
+Hybrids Vicious Weapon Pack for Skyrim
+Heavy Armory - New Weapons
+Immersive Armors
+Immersive Weapons
+Immersive Sounds - Compendium
+Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim
+Skyrim Immersive Creatures - Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade Patch
+Skyrim Immersive Creatures
+Deadly_Dragons
+Alternate Start - Live Another Life
+Werewolf Mastery
+Moonlight Tales - Werewolf and Werebear Overhaul
+Werewolf Perks Expanded - Dawnguard
+Imperious - Races of Skyrim
+Disparity -- Player Character Class - Race and Gender Diversity
+Better Vampires 7.2
+Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim
+Ordinator - WAFR and CCOR patch
+Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim
+iNeed - Food, Water and Sleep
+Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival
+Campfire - Complete Camping System
+Bandolier - Dawnguard
+Bandolier - Bags and Pouches
+Interesting NPCs
+Inconsequential NPCs
+JK's Skyrim
+Simple Crosshair
+STEP DynDOLOD Output
+STEP LOD Textures
+DynDOLOD Patches
+DynDOLOD Resources
-TES5LODGen Vanilla Skyrim
+STEP Mod Compilation and v2.2.9.2k Patches
+Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS
+Dual Sheath Redux
+LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer
+Even Better Quest Objectives
+Wet and Cold
+The Paarthurnax Dilemma
+Skyrim -Community- Uncapper
+Lock Overhaul
+ClamsDropPearls
+Better Stealth AI for Followers - No Torch while Sneaking
+Auto Unequip Ammo
+Improved Combat Sounds
+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2
+RUSTIC DRAGON CORPSE
+Book Covers Skyrim - Compatibility Patch Collection
+Book Covers Skyrim
+Smaller Ice Spike and Ice Spear
+Skyrim - Enhanced Camera
+Enhanced Blood Textures
+Deadly Spell Impacts
+Animated Clutter
+Wearable Lanterns SMIM Patch
+Wearable Lanterns
+Ultimate HD Torch
+Greatsword Sheaths and Scabbards Redux
+Skyrim Weapon De-LARP-ification Project
+Elemental Staffs
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Content Addon
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Uniques
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Creatures
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn DLC
+RS Children Overhaul USLEEP Patch
+RS Children Overhaul
+Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul
+Female Vampires Have Fangs
+Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE-
+Better Beast Races v2
-Better Beast Races v2 lite
+Beards
+Realistic Water Two
+Lanterns of Skyrim - All In One
+High Quality LODs
+Footprints
+Realistic Smoke and Embers
+Unbelievable Grass Two
-aMidianBorn Caves and Mines low
+aMidianBorn Caves and Mines high
+A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads
+High Quality Food and Ingredients
-Skyrim HD - 2K Textures
+Skyrim HD - 1K Textures
+Static Mesh Improvement Mod
+Extended UI
+Viewable Faction Ranks
+SkyUI
+ShowRaceMenu Precache Killer
+RaceMenu
+Main Font Replacement - Fertigo
-Main Font Replacement - Tara Type
-Main Font Replacement - Magic Cards
+Lore-Based Loading Screens
+Immersive HUD - iHUD
+High Quality 3D Map
+Better MessageBox Controls
+Better Dialogue Controls
+Safety Load
+Crash fixes
+XP32 Maximum Skeleton
+Realistic Ragdolls and Force
+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade
+Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade
+Smart Souls
+Skyrim Project Optimization
+NARC - No Animals Report Crimes
+Appropriately Attired Jarls
+Improved closefaced helmets
+Guard Dialogue Overhaul
+ELE - Lite
+Enchantment Reload Fix
-Unofficial High Resolution Patch
+Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch
+Typo Patch - Moonpath to Elsweyr
+Moonpath to Elsweyr
+Falskaar Wildlife add-on
+Falskaar
+TES5LODGen Summerset Isle
+Summerset Isle - Patches
+Summerset Isle
+Cleaned Vanilla ESMs
+PapyrusUtil - Modders Scripting Utility Functions
+Memory Blocks Log
+SKSE 1 07 03
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01
+Optimized Dragonborn Textures - HD
*Unmanaged: Dragonborn
+Optimized HearthFires Textures - HD
*Unmanaged: HearthFires
+Optimized Dawnguard Textures - HD
*Unmanaged: Dawnguard
+Optimized Vanilla Textures - HD

 

 

MemoryBlocksLog from a test-run starting on the solitude docks (via A New Life), then tcl+speedmult 1500 to the other end of the map, boarding a ship to solstheim and flying around there (no crash, just usual stuttering):

 

 

logging of blocks enabled
logging max values only
Timer disabled
Block1 Block2
1024MB 256MB
85 8
85 8
85 9
85 10
...
408 256
419 256
429 256
432 256
453 256

 

 

(ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false in the enblocal.ini)

 

Some things I've noticed:

- during my test when I've encountered NPCs (people and monsters alike) they were moving pinned to one spot so they didn't actually moved just gestured. This has been solved after a save and reload so I didn't pay much attention to it

- since I only partly followed STEP I know that I might relinquish any support because it's a custom setup and thus there is no "guarantee"

- also the "STEP Combined PluginHF.esp" probably is just a part of what it is supposed to be but the resources delivered with that mod have been needed for DynDOLOD (I get a CtD on startup if I disable the mod, though)

- the "More Interesting Loot for Skyrim" overwrites many other mods' textures (as I see it) while it just is for distributing loot. So I am not sure if this might be a harmful conflict or not. The mod's site states that it doesn't change anything and has no compability problems and even though I don't like the deleveled loot it seems to be less script heavy like most other loot-changing mods

- I am not quite sure where to place new lands and quest mods like "Falskaar" or "Moon and Star". I've read and seen contradicting orders. Following STEP those mods are Packs so they belong after the Core/Extended. On the other side they're more like DLCs so they'd fit to the beginning.

- also The "Immersive College of Winterhold" overwrites (mostly actor files) from "Moonpath to Elsweyr". Should I get rid of the former even though I haven't read of any incompabilities on either mod's site?

- also the pinned thread says to disable the Papyruslod. Is it harmful to let it enabled for the case something happens at some point?

 

Any input and critique is appreciated, thanks for taking the time to look over things :smile:

 

[redrakiton125]

Some tips that might help:

 

- install MO - more reliable then nmm

 

- use loot from github with MO not the one MO has incorporated

 

- enboost speed hack

 

- use mods that are not script heavy and make a lot of checks

 

- also elfx will strain your computer use imaginator instead

 

- i wouldn't use any mod that requires a skyproc patcher

 

- perks and other overhauls recommendations(Ordiantaor,Archery Gameplay Overahaul,Sneak tools and Sneak tools patch,Apocaluypse spells,Lost grimoire,Forgotten magic,revenge of the enemies,Nock to tip)

 

 

Have a nice day

[twiztedmongoloid]

Some tips that might help:

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- i wouldn't use any mod that requires a skyproc patcher

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- perks and other overhauls recommendations(Ordiantaor,Archery Gameplay Overahaul,Sneak tools and Sneak tools patch,Apocaluypse spells,Lost grimoire,Forgotten magic,revenge of the enemies,Nock to tip)

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Have a nice day

He does use MO.

 

To the OP. Instead of the SKSE memory patch use the new crash fixes. Also making sure your enb local is configured correctly will help with stuttering.

 

Too further increase stability and to help with memory and stuttering consider reducing some landscape textures to 1k.

 

Don't worry too much about load order. Let LOOT handle it and adjust things manually as needed per mod authors instructions for the things that loot gets wrong.

 

For a superior guide over the base STEP check out neovalens skyrim revisited. It's what I use. :)

 

Regarding papyrus...you disable logging to save resources. Also papyrus logs aren't crash logs like a lot of people seem to think. They show script errors.

[twiztedmongoloid]

Google STEP enb local. They cover in detail how to correctly configure everything.

[Tamdin]

Thanks for the replies.

 

@redrakiton125

 

- I already use MO. To avoid redundance I left the message of MO as first line in the load order.

 

- After assembling the current order of mods I haven't changed it and of course used LOOT and created a bashed-patch.

 

- I already use ENB (needed for RealVisionENB to begin with) and have tweaked it. Also, as I wrote, a first test went without any problem. It's just that someone else might see a conflict that evaded me.

 

- How to recognis script-heavy mods or whichof those in my order would classify as script-heavy?

 

- I'll see into imaginator instead of ELFX. Problem is that other mods had via FOMOD patches included and even though I can figure out which one that has been, if I miss only one I am sure it will produce some errors. Maybe even errors I won't notice in the beginning but later on.

 

- The only SkyprocPatcher is for the DualSheathRedux. I'll see whether I will really need it (afair there haven't been dependencies on the DSR) and if not I will disable it to avoid the SkyProcPatch.

 

- Regarding the perks I use Ordinator, Wildcat, Imperious and Apocalypse in conjunction and since they're made by the same author I hope there won't be any problems ... at least not in this part :smile:

 

@twiztedmongoloid

 

- I use those patches, just have a zero for the Allocation-Option so the Memory-Patch will be used also further assisted by the ENB. That's my hope at least. Do you think I should enable UseOSAllocators altogether? Despite the ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false in the enblocal.ini.

 

- I don't touch the right side of the MO since I hope Loot knows better than me how to order things *g

 

- I have used SL:RE too look up some orders also used it at the start for the cleaned ESMs which sounded useful for me to have a Vanilla-like installation. But it's a bit too much for me and like with the STEP Core I'd rather skip some (for me) unnecessary mods ...

 

- Okay, I'll disable the Papyrus-Log then as long as the game runs stable. Thanks for the clarification. (And indeed, I didn't really saw anything useful there ... just so many errors that made me fear whether there is any way at all to create a stable game).

 

- Yeah, I've spend some time with searching for informations. But I think the ENB now would be least of a problem. I hope for more stability when I changed the SkyrimHD 2k textures for the LITE version.

 

[redrakiton125]

Frost fall is one of this mods also The huntsman, this type of mods will update every second or a copuple of minutes so this wilol strain your cpu

 

You might find this useful https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/3r3gjb/what_mods_are_the_most_scriptheavy_ones/

Edited August 9, 2016 by redrakiton125

[Tamdin]

Neat, thanks for that link.

 

And yet Frostfall is one of those mods I really like, at least as far as I was able to play with it :o

But you're right ... when in doubt, stability precedes preferences ...

... maybe I'll build one profile without Frostfall and try if I'd really miss it.

[redrakiton125]

Neat, thanks for that link.

 

And yet Frostfall is one of those mods I really like, at least as far as I was able to play with it :o

But you're right ... when in doubt, stability precedes preferences ...

... maybe I'll build one profile without Frostfall and try if I'd really miss it.

You are welcome

[asmox]

 

- I use those patches, just have a zero for the Allocation-Option so the Memory-Patch will be used also further assisted by the ENB. That's my hope at least. Do you think I should enable UseOSAllocators altogether? Despite the ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false in the enblocal.ini.

 

 

In my experience, the 'UseOSAllocators' function from the Crash Fixes mods is much better than ENB's memory management.

 

I'd personally recommend swapping over to Crash Fixes entirely.

[Tamdin]

I just started as an Alik'r but when I got a hundred meters (downhill after the local mine entrance) I've experienced a CtD.

I will try without Frostfall+Campfire now (no much need building campfires when there is no urge like shivering to death otherwise ^^") and with the Allocation set to 1.

 

Strange, that once I build a character I want to play and actually start playing I get this while during testing with a char named "Prisoner" and flying through skyrim nothing happens :/

 

Edit:

Still CtDs at the exact same location: Once the "Karthspire Camp" is in sight and I get closer, coming from "Soljund's Sinkhole".

Edited August 9, 2016 by Tamdin