Imperial VS Stormcloak

[kradus]

My question still stands. Where is the f*cking proof?

 

Just talk to Sybille Stentor in the blue pallace, and ask her why was Torygg killed. Wasn't she mentioned earlier? That couple with what we know about Skyrim's farming, is the reason we say Skyrim needs the empire.

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

Its wrong to suffer any evil that causes the most loyal province to rebel. Ulfric fought for the Empire. For the Empire. In the great war. He loved the Empire and was willing to die for it. He didnt though and he is now fighting for Skyrim.

 

Hammerfell and Skyrim have a lot of common ground. The Redguards and Nords are both Warrior Cultures and have a passionate hate for the AD and the Empire. So its more likely that Skyrim and Hammerfell will unite.

 

The AD showed it cant just steam roll over any province at any time. Skyrim is currently stronger than Hammerfell and Hammerfell forced the AD to withdraw from Hammerfell completely.

 

Hammerfell was in a civil war before the great war and during it slightly. Both sides allied for a time and took the fight to the elves and won. Now they are at it again. And the AD hasnt invaded yet.

 

If the AD attacks the Empire, Skyrim will attack then Hammerfell. This will provide a 3 front war against the Dominion and overwhelm them. It will lose and ultimately be destroyed but first Skyrim needs to be independent and free of Imperial rule. The wrongs the Empire has committed against Skyrim cant and wont be forgiven or forgotten.

[kradus]

Echoside, on 27 Feb 2013 - 02:01, said:

Yes and no. The company is backed and supported by the Empire but not directly controlled by it. You'll also notice that even during a civil war they were still willing to trade with a rebel city. What I question is the fairness of their prices after a Stormcloak win, they may still be will to trade just with a significant mark up on goods.

I know, I was talking about their race. The people responsible for the company are cyrodiilians/imperials, meaning, if the empire breaks and Cyrodiil falls, the company loses both fundings and its 'home base'. This was just one example of how trade will be affected negatively

 

Edited February 27, 2013 by kradus

[StormHammer81]

@StormHammer81

 

 

Are you a propagandist in real life? :P

 

See Morrowind is tricky because they don't have to obey Imperial Law. Part of Morrowind's agreement to joining the Empire back in the day was keeping their autonomy while making the equivalent of a mutual defense pack. The Empire's failure to assist in matter relating to the Argonian Invasion could be seen as breaking these terms.

 

I doubt a Jarl would consider feed their people poaching.

 

The title Ysmir exisited before the man Ysmir you are probably talking about.

No. I am a faithful citizen of the Empire of Talos and I wish to see it made whole again. I'm no more a "PR person" than the Stormcloaks posting on here.

 

Morrowind is a political trifle, true enough. And we will be left to deal with the Emperor's failure(s) once he resigns.

 

The Emperor requested my presence in Skyirm as a "fixer" and my mission is to restore order and stamp out any embers of rebellion which may still smolder here. I'm also a soldier, not a politician and I'm an expert on war, not Nord culture.

Edited March 1, 2013 by StormHammer81

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

She never said "Skyrim cant feed itself and would starve if the Empire left."

 

Unless Im mistaken. But she says the food and resources are important but not relied upon by the entire populous.

 

If the AD is a sleeping beast as she claims it is then why cant it win in Hammerfell?

[Echoside]

Its wrong to suffer any evil that causes the most loyal province to rebel. Ulfric fought for the Empire. For the Empire. In the great war. He loved the Empire and was willing to die for it. He didnt though and he is now fighting for Skyrim.

 

Hammerfell and Skyrim have a lot of common ground. The Redguards and Nords are both Warrior Cultures and have a passionate hate for the AD and the Empire. So its more likely that Skyrim and Hammerfell will unite.

 

The AD showed it cant just steam roll over any province at any time. Skyrim is currently stronger than Hammerfell and Hammerfell forced the AD to withdraw from Hammerfell completely.

 

Hammerfell was in a civil war before the great war and during it slightly. Both sides allied for a time and took the fight to the elves and won. Now they are at it again. And the AD hasnt invaded yet.

 

If the AD attacks the Empire, Skyrim will attack then Hammerfell. This will provide a 3 front war against the Dominion and overwhelm them. It will lose and ultimately be destroyed but first Skyrim needs to be independent and free of Imperial rule. The wrongs the Empire has committed against Skyrim cant and wont be forgiven or forgotten.

 

If the AD is a sleeping beast as she claims it is then why cant it win in Hammerfell?

 

 

True.

 

True on the culture and hatred of Dominion. False on hating the Empire, it's more like a loss of faith in it.

 

Speculation, it is unknown what kind of forces Hammerfell has and it would take Skyrim time to recover man power after a civil war.

 

Second treaty os S'tros M'kai is why AD hasn't bothered them. The internal affairs of Hammer fell are up for speculation as well.

 

Skyrim has no real method of attacking the AD without sloging through the Empire or Hammerfell.

 

Terrain advantage of the Redguards in Hammerfell, arid desert region that the Redguards have long inhabited.

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

Terrain advantage of Skyrim, rugged mountains and narrow valleys.

 

True on the loss of faith in the Empire.

 

The Nords are very capable seamen and have a navy after all.

[Echoside]

Terrain advantage of Skyrim, rugged mountains and narrow valleys.

 

True on the loss of faith in the Empire.

 

The Nords are very capable seamen and have a navy after all.

By the time AD marched on Skyrim's soil Cyrodill and Hammerfell would be under their control.

 

Traveling by Sea would take far more time, add on a few more months of transit plus the supplies need to do so. There is a reason that Tullius wanted the Rift to from supply lines in the peace talk quest.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Echoside

[kradus]

Stormcloak117, on 27 Feb 2013 - 02:06, said:

Stormcloak117, on 27 Feb 2013 - 02:06, said:

 

If the AD attacks the Empire, Skyrim will attack then Hammerfell. This will provide a 3 front war against the Dominion and overwhelm them. It will lose and ultimately be destroyed but first Skyrim needs to be independent and free of Imperial rule. The wrongs the Empire has committed against Skyrim cant and wont be forgiven or forgotten.

 

No, and no. What do you mean by 3 front war? What's stopping the dominion armies from moving to hammerfell after plundering Cyrodill, especially since they are easely supplied by sea?

Why do you think the stormcloaks are in any way strong, after fighting a rebellion on equal footing against a single legion?

What on earth makes you think that Stormcloaks + Hammerfell have the advantage against the Dominion, after what happened to the legions in the great war?

Why wouldn't the Dominion move on to Skyrim after crushing both forces in Hammerfell?

 

Please, put some thought in you war plan, consider the consequences, and remember that as an independent army, the Redguards would have a battleplan of their own, causing confusion at best, as opposed to the single mindness of the imperial war machine(3 nations 1 professional army)

 

Stormcloak117, on 27 Feb 2013 - 02:11, said:

 

If the AD is a sleeping beast as she claims it is then why cant it win in Hammerfell?

Because at the time they had just lost part of its army, and terrain advantage. But a real Thalmor army wont have such a problem overwhelming its enemy, terrain or no.

Edited February 27, 2013 by kradus

[Echoside]

 

Stormcloak117, on 27 Feb 2013 - 02:06, said:

 

If the AD attacks the Empire, Skyrim will attack then Hammerfell. This will provide a 3 front war against the Dominion and overwhelm them. It will lose and ultimately be destroyed but first Skyrim needs to be independent and free of Imperial rule. The wrongs the Empire has committed against Skyrim cant and wont be forgiven or forgotten.

 

 

No, and no. What do you mean by 3 front war? What's stopping the dominion armies from moving to hammerfell after plundering Cyrodill, especially since they are easely supplied by sea?

Why do you think the stormcloaks are in any way strong, after fighting a rebellion on equal footing against a single legion?

What on earth makes you think that Stormcloaks + Hammerfell have the advantage against the Dominion, after what happened to the legions in the great war?

Why wouldn't the Dominion move on to Skyrim after crushing both forces in Hammerfell?

 

Please, put some thought in you war plan, consider the consequences, and remember that as an independent army, the Redguards would have a battleplan of their own, causing confusion at best, as opposed to the single mindness of the imperial war machine(3 nations 1 professional army)

 

Because at the time they had just lost part of its army, and terrain

advantage. But a real Thalmor army wont have such a problem overwhelming

its enemy, terrain or no.

 

Yes the single mindness of the Imperial war machine that lost a thirty year war, got a chief god in it's pantheon outlawed, betrayed the loyalty of one of the most loyal nations in it's makeup, and made another questions it's own loyalty is obviously unbeatable...

 

Hammerfell was able to push out Aldmeri Occupation that was entrenched in their lands before... And this was after the WGC was put into effect thus meaning they stood alone against the full attention of Aldmeri over a five year period.