Imperial VS Stormcloak

[Kayyyleb]

Kayyyleb, you never answered my question. Where is the proof about Skyrim relying on Cyrodiil for food?

The fact that 10 seasonal farms in a frigid environment doesn't feed an entire province year round? I can't believe this needs to be spelled out for you. It's common sense that food is imported from more temperate regions and Cyrodiil is the most obvious source with Hammerfell being largely desert and Morrowind being covered in ash.

 

You haven't done anything to show Skyrim isn't a wasteland according to the Google definition you provided. Markarth is surrounded by a bunch of Forsworn-infested rocks with 1 farm for an entire city. Dawnstar has nothing but ice and snow. Winterhold has nothing but ice and snow. Falkreath has 2 farms and decent hunting which means it could probably be self-sufficient but not with excess. Whiterun has 4-5 farms but also a heavy population so it wouldn't have excess. Windhelm has 3 farms covered in snow all year (no idea how that works). Solitude is a port city with a heavy population and 1 farm so it's blatantly obvious they get their food from sea trade. Riften is the only hold that could likely feed itself and export some food but even they don't really take full advantage of their ability to farm or hunt. So you'd basically have 2 holds that after covering their own needs might be able to export to other holds but still nowhere close to what is needed for the entire province.

 

Now add a few thousand troops to that. Not possible.

 

The only explanation is that Skyrim's mining is used to trade for food from Cyrodiil. The two are as Stormhammer pointed out: symbiotically linked economically. Maybe Skyrim survived on it's own in the past but they just spent a few centuries in an empire and you don't magically develop self-sustainability overnight when you haven't needed it for hundreds of years. It is delusional at best to suggest otherwise.

[Echoside]

The AD has many, many enemies and its too much for them to handle. Even with 3 provinces. Valenwood kinda doesnt like the Thalmor so much. They f*cked with the Bosmer and pissed them off. Atleast half of them. The Khajiits were tricked into the AD and havent provided much in the means of Military strength.

 

All in all its about even. The AD has summerset isles and the Nords have Skyrim. Hammerfell will not give in to the AD. The Empire will get sucked into the next war because the Elves want the Empire dead.

 

Where do you get your facts from? The Aldmeri sealed Valenwood for *70* years from outside influence to ensure their grip on it and the Khajiit follow them in an almost religious fanaticism.

 

As long as the AD don't break the Second Treaty of S'tros M'kai by the time the Redguards join in it will probably be too late to stop the AD cause I doubt they will care if the Empire is destroyed after being *ABANDONED* by it.

[Echoside]

 

 

Kayyyleb, you never answered my question. Where is the proof about Skyrim relying on Cyrodiil for food?

The fact that 10 seasonal farms in a frigid environment doesn't feed an entire province year round? I can't believe this needs to be spelled out for you. It's common sense that food is imported from more temperate regions and Cyrodiil is the most obvious source with Hammerfell being largely desert and Morrowind being covered in ash.

 

You haven't done anything to show Skyrim isn't a wasteland according to the Google definition you provided. Markarth is surrounded by a bunch of Forsworn-infested rocks with 1 farm for an entire city. Dawnstar has nothing but ice and snow. Winterhold has nothing but ice and snow. Falkreath has 2 farms and decent hunting which means it could probably be self-sufficient but not with excess. Whiterun has 4-5 farms but also a heavy population so it wouldn't have excess. Windhelm has 3 farms covered in snow all year (no idea how that works). Solitude is a port city with a heavy population and 1 farm so it's blatantly obvious they get their food from sea trade. Riften is the only hold that could likely feed itself and export some food but even they don't really take full advantage of their ability to farm or hunt. So you'd basically have 2 holds that after covering their own needs might be able to export to other holds but still nowhere close to what is needed for the entire province.

 

Now add a few thousand troops to that. Not possible.

 

The only explanation is that Skyrim's mining is used to trade for food from Cyrodiil. The two are as Stormhammer pointed out: symbiotically linked economically. Maybe Skyrim survived on it's own in the past but they just spent a few centuries in an empire and you don't magically develop self-sustainability overnight when you haven't needed it for hundreds of years. It is delusional at best to suggest otherwise.

I like to point out in Oblivion there were eleven farms to be found and there are sixteen farms to be found in Skyrim... That some how feeds two nations? It's not like Bethesda worries about food logistics when making these games. Your entire argument is nearly pointless.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Echoside

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

You forgot about Falkreath. Each farm is enough to support the cities. Which each hold around 100 people. So I wanted you to answer my question because you seemed to only dance around it. I havent seen anywhere that stresses food problems. Ulfric and Galmar speak of having armies. Obviously those armies are fed. How might I ask, considering they are in a rebellion against the very military force of the supposed province that provides food for everyone. Well apparently the farms are misrepresented.

 

I ask how has Skyrim been able to support itself in the past before the Empire? Trade, yes. That much is true and trade will not cease with everyone. The Nords know that trade is good and necessary.

 

Look at the Vikings, the most feared warriors for 300 years. They traded with just about everyone and everything. The British were the only ones who they didnt want to trade with them because they were constantly raided by them.

 

So trade will still exist and as shown by the East Empire, they will still openly trade with Skyrim.

 

Cyrodiil has been burned and has a crime problem. So I would think that they arent this mass producer of food like people like to think.

[Kayyyleb]

 

 

Kayyyleb, you never answered my question. Where is the proof about Skyrim relying on Cyrodiil for food?

The fact that 10 seasonal farms in a frigid environment doesn't feed an entire province year round? I can't believe this needs to be spelled out for you. It's common sense that food is imported from more temperate regions and Cyrodiil is the most obvious source with Hammerfell being largely desert and Morrowind being covered in ash.

 

You haven't done anything to show Skyrim isn't a wasteland according to the Google definition you provided. Markarth is surrounded by a bunch of Forsworn-infested rocks with 1 farm for an entire city. Dawnstar has nothing but ice and snow. Winterhold has nothing but ice and snow. Falkreath has 2 farms and decent hunting which means it could probably be self-sufficient but not with excess. Whiterun has 4-5 farms but also a heavy population so it wouldn't have excess. Windhelm has 3 farms covered in snow all year (no idea how that works). Solitude is a port city with a heavy population and 1 farm so it's blatantly obvious they get their food from sea trade. Riften is the only hold that could likely feed itself and export some food but even they don't really take full advantage of their ability to farm or hunt. So you'd basically have 2 holds that after covering their own needs might be able to export to other holds but still nowhere close to what is needed for the entire province.

 

Now add a few thousand troops to that. Not possible.

 

The only explanation is that Skyrim's mining is used to trade for food from Cyrodiil. The two are as Stormhammer pointed out: symbiotically linked economically. Maybe Skyrim survived on it's own in the past but they just spent a few centuries in an empire and you don't magically develop self-sustainability overnight when you haven't needed it for hundreds of years. It is delusional at best to suggest otherwise.

 

I like to point out in Oblivion there were eleven farms to be found and there are nine farms to be found in Skyrim... That some how feeds two nations? It's not like Bethesda worries about food logistics when making these games. Your entire argument is nearly pointless.

Obviously not, but that's what's ingame so that's what I'm going off of. If we want to go with realism instead of counting farms in each game my argument still stands perfectly fine because a temperate environment makes better farming than an arctic or tundra environment hands down no question.

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

In the case of Skyrim not being a wasteland (Sorry I forgot to answer that part). Skyrim currently has human inhabitants which proves that it is currently populated.

 

A wasteland is an unpopulated urban or rural area that has become over grown or unused.

 

Just because there isnt a building every 5 feet doesnt make it a wasteland.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Stormcloak117

[Echoside]

 

 

 

Kayyyleb, you never answered my question. Where is the proof about Skyrim relying on Cyrodiil for food?

The fact that 10 seasonal farms in a frigid environment doesn't feed an entire province year round? I can't believe this needs to be spelled out for you. It's common sense that food is imported from more temperate regions and Cyrodiil is the most obvious source with Hammerfell being largely desert and Morrowind being covered in ash.

 

You haven't done anything to show Skyrim isn't a wasteland according to the Google definition you provided. Markarth is surrounded by a bunch of Forsworn-infested rocks with 1 farm for an entire city. Dawnstar has nothing but ice and snow. Winterhold has nothing but ice and snow. Falkreath has 2 farms and decent hunting which means it could probably be self-sufficient but not with excess. Whiterun has 4-5 farms but also a heavy population so it wouldn't have excess. Windhelm has 3 farms covered in snow all year (no idea how that works). Solitude is a port city with a heavy population and 1 farm so it's blatantly obvious they get their food from sea trade. Riften is the only hold that could likely feed itself and export some food but even they don't really take full advantage of their ability to farm or hunt. So you'd basically have 2 holds that after covering their own needs might be able to export to other holds but still nowhere close to what is needed for the entire province.

 

Now add a few thousand troops to that. Not possible.

 

The only explanation is that Skyrim's mining is used to trade for food from Cyrodiil. The two are as Stormhammer pointed out: symbiotically linked economically. Maybe Skyrim survived on it's own in the past but they just spent a few centuries in an empire and you don't magically develop self-sustainability overnight when you haven't needed it for hundreds of years. It is delusional at best to suggest otherwise.

 

I like to point out in Oblivion there were eleven farms to be found and there are nine farms to be found in Skyrim... That some how feeds two nations? It's not like Bethesda worries about food logistics when making these games. Your entire argument is nearly pointless.

Obviously not, but that's what's ingame so that's what I'm going off of. If we want to go with realism instead of counting farms in each game my argument still stands perfectly fine because a temperate environment makes better farming than an arctic or tundra environment hands down no question.

 

Falkreath, the Rift, and much of Whiterun are all temperate... Plus throw in the amount of deer, goats, chickens, cows, mammoths, and fishing Skyrim could survive and support an army. Maybe not an Empire sized one but an army none the less.

 

Besides Windhelm has farms which would imply it has a warm season where something could grow... None of these games have seasons...

Edited February 27, 2013 by Echoside

[HighkingUlfricStormcloak]

Sorry Im doing my best to respond to everyone.

 

The Bosmer (The 3 or 4 that are in Skyrim) are facing some of the same problems everyone else is with the AD. I cant remember his name but the Bosmer in the thieves guild tells you that Valenwood is not all Happy with being a part of the AD. (This could be total bullsh*t, I am trusting that he's telling the truth) And whats his name in the Thalmor Embassy is a Bosmer who hates the Thalmor. I cant remember why exactly but he gives you some story as to why. Delphine also explains this to you.

[Kayyyleb]

You forgot about Falkreath. Each farm is enough to support the cities. Which each hold around 100 people. So I wanted you to answer my question because you seemed to only dance around it. I havent seen anywhere that stresses food problems. Ulfric and Galmar speak of having armies. Obviously those armies are fed. How might I ask, considering they are in a rebellion against the very military force of the supposed province that provides food for everyone. Well apparently the farms are misrepresented.

 

I ask how has Skyrim been able to support itself in the past before the Empire? Trade, yes. That much is true and trade will not cease with everyone. The Nords know that trade is good and necessary.

 

Look at the Vikings, the most feared warriors for 300 years. They traded with just about everyone and everything. The British were the only ones who they didnt want to trade with them because they were constantly raided by them.

 

So trade will still exist and as shown by the East Empire, they will still openly trade with Skyrim.

 

Cyrodiil has been burned and has a crime problem. So I would think that they arent this mass producer of food like people like to think.

No I did not forget Falkreath. It's right there in the post you quoted which you pretty much ignored anyways so why bother asking for my opinion if you're going to stick your fingers in your ears and say "nuh-uh" as your counter to everything? If you want some ingame book or something then I'll have to turn right around and start asking for ingame fact-checking for every one of your statements and we both know you can't do it either. I'm arguing from a realistic standpoint.

 

The Vikings are a perfect example, thank you. Guess where they got pretty much all their food? Trade. Guess what kind of environment they lived in? Tundra/arctic. Point in case. The Vikings weren't self-sufficient on their own land. Exactly my point. Now let's have the Vikings hold off an invasion for the British Empire and see how well they fare.

 

Trade with the EEC exists in Solitude because it's the Imperial headquarters in Skyrim. Winterhold has 1 employee in an empty warehouse who isn't even getting any business because a rival is trying to oust them from Windhelm when you first talk to him. And that's the extent of EEC in Skyrim represented ingame. Crime is no favorable argument for you because Skyrim is the home of the Thieves Guild itself not to mention there seems to be as many bandits as average citizens anyways. Once you walk outside a city wall there is no law in Skyrim anyways.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Kayyyleb

[kradus]

 

Why do you believe so much that the AD has some massive army that can kill everyone in Tamriel?

 

 

 

Because of what they did in the past, because both the empire and the dominion have been gathering their forces on the border. Which is why breaking the empire appart gives the Dominion an imediate advantage.

 

 

 

And nice assumption. No Im not out of arguments. Nice job attacking me rather than actually making a point.

 

The Thalmor will be forced to fight on 3 fronts if they attack the Empire, the Nords will then in turn attack Alinor and the Redguards will harass them at sea.

 

The please post your arguments, but dont just post nonsensical stuff, like the dominion splitting their forces appart to make it easier for their enemy to beat them. Those aren't arguments.

 

Start by looking at the map. You'll notice that Cyrodill is just between the Dominion and the rest of the empire. Meaning that after pillaging Cyrodiil, the Dominion gets to choose when and where to attack. Again, this is after Cyrodiil is torched, meaning, one less front. Now, the Dominion doesn't have to attack Hammerfell and Skyrim at the same time, there's absolutely no need to divide the army, when you can focus on just one nation. And when that nation is dealt with, the next follows.

If one province decides to help the other, then its Hammerfell and Skyrim vs the entire army of the dominion. If the stormcloaks decide to sail to Alinor as you say, they'd have to first build a navy, then leave skyrim with even less fighting men.

 

 

If they keep a singular force they will fight the Empire and be weakened, then Hammerfell and will be weakened, then Skyrim and be to weak to just steam roll over everyone.

 

Now, an army is only significantly weakened, when they face at least similliar odds. If your army is able to overwhelm an enemy army, the battle ends pretty quickly, with little losses on your side. That's why the Dominion is more than capable of crushing each province if they break into separate armies.

Edited February 27, 2013 by kradus